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::::::Why was the Israeli arrested? Do people randomly get arrested carrying handguns in a country where firearms are banned?

::::::Now listen, there is so much evidence that you can’t just ignore. Bring one citation that says that guy was not a terrorist. And regarding anti-Israel stuff that you’re talking about. I’m quite neutral. You are the one who is biased and changing articles. [[User:DeepControl|DeepControl]] ([[User talk:DeepControl|talk]]) 05:50, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

:::::::>What about this quote by La Razon that “Officers from patrol unit M-232 of the Municipal Guard, accompanied by three other units, inspected the SUV and then requested the presence of the Criminal Investigation Division of the Querétaro Attorney General’s Office. This was because it was discovered that he was Salvador Gerson Smeke, a former colonel in the Israeli Defense Forces, who had been arrested in November 2001 with explosives, cables, and other devices, as well as two weapons, inside the Chamber of Deputies”.

:::::::Why is the best source you can find for this foiled terrorist plot a 2012 article as the only source reporting on this story, without a named author in a newspaper that loves to exaggerate stories. It’s just not a serious consideration of evidence for such a significant claim especially with no actual citations in the article in question.

:::::::>This link works. Stop lying. You can load it. It’s just that you are pretending to be ohh, it’s not working so you can justify the trash you are putting in.

:::::::Luckily I’ve been able to search these article to find them. It would still be worthwhile to use live links or current captures.

:::::::>Are you seriously claiming La Razón isn’t a major paper? Because that’s a weak dodge.

:::::::No it isn’t and doesn’t have the same journalistic standards as the major papers. Why would they be the only Mexican paper to be reporting on this story or terror attack? It doesn’t make much sense.

:::::::>And I never said newspapers need “citations” like an academic paper. I said: if you’re calling a secondary report unreliable, you need a reason that isn’t just vibes—especially when you’re asking me to accept or reject claims based on sourcing.

:::::::Yes it’s not sufficient evidence to support the nature of the claims being made. We wouldn’t expect an attempting bombing of a Mexican government building to just have never been widely reported or the fact that the bomber was rearrested in Mexico a decade later. This isn’t the type of claim you should be struggling to find a credible source for. There should be charges related to the explosives charges or evidence of reliable contemporary reporting not a decade after the fact.

:::::::>I provided the actual newspaper. You’re just blowing smoke. Let me give you another citation here: https://www.jornada.com.mx/2001/10/14/028n2pol.html#:~:text=Como%2520se%2520recordar%C3%A1%252C%2520el%2520extranjero,portafolios%2520con%2520aparatos%2520posiblemente%2520explosivos

:::::::Great citation! High quality contemporary source, says nothing about a terrorist attack, doesn’t say they actually had explosives and clearly shows that only one was Israeli and that the Mexican had the gun.

:::::::>Why was the Israeli arrested?

:::::::The article says why very clearly: “The Israeli national, however, was transferred to the North Men’s Prison as a suspect in a violation of the General Population Law.”

:::::::He violated immigration laws. No weapons charge and definitely no explosives charges or terrorism.

:::::::How can I bring a citation to show your made up claims are false. I can point to the official government announcement already discussed or this jornada article. The burden is on you to prove an attempted terrorist attack occurred. It is a very strong and large claim and requires real high quality substantive evidence. So far you’ve provided none to support your core lies. [[Special:Contributions/~2025-41354-72|~2025-41354-72]] ([[User talk:~2025-41354-72|talk]]) 07:16, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

== January 2026 ==

Stop doing vandalism on Legislative Palace of San Lázaro page. DeepControl (talk) 07:24, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am simply missing how showing that sources are low quality and contradict each other I’d vandalism in any sense of the word. None of the sources both 1)meet the standard of reliability and 2) contain the most fundemenal claims of this paragraph.

No source for the 2nd man being Israeli (a source says he’s a Mexican national), no source they were terrorists (no terrorism charges or weapon charges). There was a single legally owned firearm by the Mexican nation not firearms. No source for Pakistani passports. No source both men served in the Israeli military. No source the men were released due to any involvement by the Israeli government.

Basically the entire paragraph is a lie and adding more incredibly low quality sources doesn’t do anything but show potential motivated reasoning. Generally a person being arrested and released at a building isn’t sufficiently noteworthy to be including in a building’s wiki page. ~2025-41354-72 (talk) 19:39, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Based on a compilation of official statements and international media reports, the individuals detained at the Mexican Congress in 2001 were identified as Israelis. One of them immigrated to Mexico. This identification is supported by a statement from the Attorney General of Mexico’s office.

Multiple sources, including a report from La Prensa Panama, state that the individuals were plotting a terror attack. This characterization is echoed in other international coverage, such as a Pravda report, which explicitly referred to the men as terrorists. Further reports indicate that at least one of the individuals had served in the Israeli military.

According to these accounts, they were apprehended after bringing firearms and other suspicious materials into the legislative building with the intent to carry out a harmful act. In a related context, the Embassy of Israel stated that it does not monitor the activities of its citizens abroad. These claims are documented through official archives, a statement from the ambassador’s office, and direct quotes from cited news publications.

Moreover, more interestingly the same terrorist that was arrested in 2001, was again arrested in 2012 to set up surveillance equipment in Querétaro along with two other Israelis

I previously accepted your suggestion to remove the paragraph due to concerns over dead reference links and the reliability of La Voz de Atlan. However, I have since provided new, more reliable sources to substantiate the key facts. These include the official archive of Mexico’s Attorney General, a report from La Prensa Panama (a major national newspaper), coverage from Pravda, and a report from La Razón (a significant newspaper in Spain). Given these sources, I would like to understand the reasoning behind continuing to deny the established facts that these individuals: 1. Were Israelis (with one having immigrated to Mexico), 2. Had served in the Israeli military, and 3. Were involved in terrorist activity.

Without providing any sources to counter these documented points, the current action appears unsubstantiated. DeepControl (talk) 04:33, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will go point by point to refute many unsubstantiated or inaccurate claims you made.

>Based on a compilation of official statements and international media reports, the individuals detained at the Mexican Congress in 2001 were identified as Israelis.

The Pravda source used is entirely unsubstantiated. There is no evidence this art ocfle . is authentic as its first appearance online was in 2020 rather than the claimed 2001. Other sources contradict that both men were Israeli, claiming one was a Mexican national. The later source from the Mexican government directly contradicts the claim saying Salvador Gersson Smeck was a Mexican national and doesn’t mention any Israeli citizenshi

>Multiple sources, including a report from La Prensa Panama, state that the individuals were plotting a terror attack.

This source says nothing about them plotting a terrorist attack. This must be you deliberately and maliciously lying. It says the Israeli was detained on immigration issues and had a briefcase with pipes and wires (unsurprisingly no explosives). It also says the 2nd man was Mexican not Israeli. Why were neither charged with weapons charges and why does no government source mention explosives? So far you’ve completely misrepresented the claims of your 2 best pieces of evidence.

>This characterization is echoed in other international coverage, such as Pravda report , which explicitly referred to the men as terrorists

2nd citation of the same inaccurate and unsubstantiated Pravda article without any primary sources or authentic chain of custody.

>Further reports indicate that at least one of the individuals had served in the Israeli military.

Link is broken but it is unsurprising that any Israeli adult in Mexico would have served in the Israeli military given they have mandatory conscription. This isn’t supporting evidence for your claims.

>According to these accounts, they were apprehended after bringing firearms and other suspicious materials into the legislative building with the intent to carry out a harmful act.

Another unsupported lie. There was only one firearm which as carried by the Mexican national.

>In a related context, the Embassy of Israel stated that it does not monitor the activities of its citizens abroad. These claims are documented through official archives, a statement from the ambassador’s office, and direct quotes from cited news publications

This is not a disputed fact. Most embassies don’t monitor their citizens in other countries.

>Moreover, more interestingly the same terrorist

No terrorist exists in this story based on all available reliable sources.

>that was arrested in 2001, was again arrested in 2012 to set up surveillance equipment in Querétaro along with two other Israelis

Link is non functional. Please provide Url you are trying to archive.

>I previously accepted your suggestion to remove the paragraph due to concerns over dead reference links and the reliability of La Voz de Atlan. However, I have since provided new, more reliable sources to substantiate the key facts.

I would heavily disagree with this characterization given the above evidence and your direct misrepresention of the facts cited.

>These include the official archive of Mexico’s Attorney General, a report from La Prensa Panama (a major national newspaper), coverage from Pravda, and a report from La Razón (a significant newspaper in Spain).

I believe the facts as stated in the archive of the Mexican Attorney General and LA Prensa Panama. The Pravda source is completely unsubstantiated and lacks major evidence of being authentic (any evidence it existed before 2020). Unfortunately I was not able to access the La Razón citation and would ask you share the original URL rather than an broken archive link.

>Given these sources, I would like to understand the reasoning behind continuing to deny the established facts that these individuals: 1. Were Israelis (with one having immigrated to Mexico), 2. Had served in the Israeli military, and 3. Were involved in terrorist activity.

1. Sufficient evidence doesn’t exist to say Salvador Gersson Smeck was an Israeli national. All authentic sources do not mention Israeli citizenship.

2. While I didn’t see this in any official sources, it is trival to grant for the Israeli citizen

3. There is absolutely no evidence linking them to any terrorist activity, no charges, no explosives, no claims by either the Mexican government or response to accusations by Israeli authorities.

>Without providing any sources to counter these documented points, the current action appears unsubstantiated

Give the above analysis of the deliberate misrepresentations of sources, reliance on very weak sourcing for the most important claims (terrorist activities), direct contradictions between more reliable sources and the poor ones being relied on, it is now clear the vast majority of claims made in the article regarding the incident should be removed. I will go back to edit the page and include a link to this discussion on the talk page for others to review the evidence. I would recommend in the future you cite direct quotations from your sources to support your claims so that it does not come off as you pointing to article in bad faith that don’t support your claims. ~2025-41354-72 (talk) 22:15, 25 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Let’s assume Pravda is unreliable, how about this one?

> This source says nothing about them plotting a terrorist attack. This must be you deliberately and maliciously lying. It says the Israeli was detained on immigration issues and had a briefcase with pipes and wires (unsurprisingly no explosives). It also says the 2nd man was Mexican not Israeli. Why were neither charged with weapons charges and why does no government source mention explosives? So far you’ve completely misrepresented the claims of your 2 best pieces of evidence.

Reply: This is what the article states “MEXICO, DF (AFP). Las autoridades investigan la situación migratoria de un israelí que en días pasados intentó ingresar a la Cámara de Diputados con herramientas, al parecer, útiles para armar un artefacto explosivo, dijo la Procuraduría General de la República (PGR).

Saer Ben-Zvi o Saar Noam Ben Zvi fue internado en un penal del DF “pendiente de que se le resuelva su situación jurídica, como probable responsable de la comisión de delitos de violación de la Ley General de Población”, indicó la PGR.

Una funcionaria explicó que se están investigando los antecedentes del israelí, así como la forma como entró a México y si su situación migratoria es legal.

El miércoles pasado, el israelí paseaba en la explanada de la Cámara de Diputados con un maletín en el que traía “tubos y cables”, con los que se cree se podría armar un artefacto explosivo, mientras que su acompañante, un mexicano, portaba una pistola 9 milímetros y tres cargadores.

La actitud de la pareja despertó sospechas en el personal de seguridad de la Cámara de Diputados, que los sometió y entregó a las autoridades. Ambos dijeron inicialmente pertenecer a una empresa de seguridad privada y que su presencia en el lugar obedecía a su intención de ofrecer sus servicios a algunos legisladores.”

Passing this through Google Translate, it states

“MEXICO CITY (AFP) – Authorities are investigating the immigration status of an Israeli man who recently attempted to enter the Chamber of Deputies with tools apparently used to assemble an explosive device, the Attorney General’s Office (PGR) said.

Saer Ben-Zvi, also known as Saar Noam Ben Zvi, was detained in a Mexico City prison “pending a decision on his legal status, as he is suspected of violating the General Population Law,” the PGR stated.

An official explained that they are investigating the Israeli man’s background, how he entered Mexico, and whether his immigration status is legal.

Last Wednesday, the Israeli man was seen walking on the esplanade of the Chamber of Deputies with a briefcase containing “pipes and wires,” which are believed to be used to assemble an explosive device, while his companion, a Mexican man, was carrying a 9mm pistol and three magazines.

The couple’s behavior aroused suspicion among the security personnel at the Chamber of Deputies, who subdued them and handed them over to the authorities. They initially claimed to work for a private security company and that their presence there was due to their intention to offer their services to some legislators.”

What part of assembling an explosive device doesnt sound a terrorist activity to you?

> These include the official archive of Mexico’s Attorney General, a report from La Prensa Panama (a major national newspaper), coverage from Pravda, and a report from La Razón (a significant newspaper in Spain).

Reply: Here is the link: https://archive.ph/jZs62#selection-885.0-902.0

Btw, this is what it says

Rápida movilización policíaca para su captura

México.- Salvador Gerson Smeke, quien en noviembre de 2001 fue detenido y acusado de intentar un ataque con explosivos en la Cámara de Diputados, fue detenido nuevamente junto con dos personas de origen israelí por la policía de Querétaro.

Y es que se detectó que dichas personas se encontraban en actitud sospechosa y en poder de un sofisticado equipo de comunicación, presuntamente utilizado para intervención de comunicación y sistemas computacionales.

Según lo inscrito en el expediente PGR/QRO/PGRIV/581/2012, iniciado en la delegación de la PGR en Querétaro, los hechos ocurrieron la tarde del pasado 2 de julio en la colonia Centro Sur, de Querétaro.

A las 14:15 horas de ese día, personal de seguridad de la empresa Juegos de la Frontera detectaron la presencia de tres hombres en actitud sospechosa que estaban a bordo de una camioneta Gran Cherokee, placas MGY-9033.

De acuerdo con el testimonio de Rogelio Hermosillo, vigilante del citado negocio, los sujetos colocaron una antena en el todo de la unidad, tipo cola de ratón, y uno tipo parabólica de no más de 10 centímetros, y ambas las dirigieron hacia un edificio, por lo que decidieron dar aviso a la policía.

Y es que en inmediaciones de ese lugar están las oficinas del PAN estatal, el Palacio de Gobierno Municipal, así como oficinas corporativas de varias empresas. En minutos se montó un cerco policiaco.

Elementos de la patrulla M-232 de la Guardia Municipal, en compañía de tres unidades, inspeccionaron la camioneta y enseguida pidieron la presencia de la Dirección de Investigación del Delito de la Procuraduría de Justicia de Querétaro.

Ello debido a que se descubrió que se trataba de Salvador Gerson Smeke, ex coronel de la Fuerzas de Defensa Israelita, quien había sido detenido en noviembre del 2001 con explosivos, cables y otros dispositivos, así como dos armas, al interior de la Cámara de Diputados.

Junto con él iba Alberto Shemaria León y Eli Sthark Ilan quien se identificó con una licencia de piloto aviador de Israel. Y aunque los tres fueron presentados ante la PGR, donde se dio inicio al citado expediente por presunto robo de información, estos alcanzaron su libertad bajo fianza.

Passing this through Google Translate, it states

Mexico City – Salvador Gerson Smeke, who was arrested in November 2001 and accused of attempting a bomb attack at the Chamber of Deputies, was arrested again along with two Israeli nationals by police in Querétaro.

These individuals were observed acting suspiciously and in possession of sophisticated communications equipment, allegedly used for intercepting communications and computer systems.

According to case file PGR/QRO/PGRIV/581/2012, opened at the PGR (Attorney General’s Office) delegation in Querétaro, the events occurred on the afternoon of July 2nd in the Centro Sur neighborhood of Querétaro.

At 2:15 p.m. that day, security personnel from the Juegos de la Frontera company detected three men acting suspiciously inside a Grand Cherokee SUV with license plate MGY-9033.

According to the testimony of Rogelio Hermosillo, a security guard at the business, the men attached a small antenna, like a “rat tail” type, to the back of the vehicle, along with a parabolic antenna no more than 10 centimeters in diameter, both pointed at a nearby building. The guards then notified the police.

The state PAN (National Action Party) offices, the Municipal Government Palace, and the corporate offices of several companies are located in the vicinity. A police perimeter was established within minutes.

Officers from patrol unit M-232 of the Municipal Guard, accompanied by three other units, inspected the SUV and then requested the presence of the Criminal Investigation Division of the Querétaro Attorney General’s Office. This was because it was discovered that he was Salvador Gerson Smeke, a former colonel in the Israeli Defense Forces, who had been arrested in November 2001 with explosives, cables, and other devices, as well as two weapons, inside the Chamber of Deputies.

Along with him were Alberto Shemaria León and Eli Sthark Ilan, who identified himself with an Israeli pilot’s license. Although all three were presented before the Attorney General’s Office (PGR), where the aforementioned case was opened for alleged information theft, they were released on bail.

Now you’ve directly attacked me and called me a liar. The fact is you’re the one who is spreading misinformation. I’ve provided you the links and the direct quotes. The official media have called them terrorists, and they are terrorists. Period end of story. If you cant access the link, then that is your problem, maybe ask your mates at 8200 to DDoS archive.is, so that it can go down and you can show yourself as truly good guys.

Now, unless you have solid points, don’t waste my time here. DeepControl (talk) 10:41, 27 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

>What part of assembling an explosive device doesnt sound a terrorist activity to you?

The part that it doesn’t say “assembling an explosive device”. What it says is “con un maletín en el que traía “tubos y cables”, con los que se cree se podría armar un artefacto explosivo ” or translated “with a briefcase containing “pipes and wires,” which are believed could be used to assemble an explosive device”. “se podría” is a conditional term, not definitive. Pipes and wires can’t make an explosive without actual explosive material. He also wasn’t detained on charges of possession of explosives so it is very clear he didn’t have a bomb.

>Reply: Here is the link: https://archive.ph/jZs62#selection-885.0-902.0

Link still doesn’t work, as mentioned before please include the original Url so I can pull up the archive. Is it this one? https://www.razon.com.mx/mexico/2012/07/23/cae-otra-vez-hombre-que-ataco-con-explosivos-la-camara-de-diputados-en-2001/

If so we would be citing a 2012 newspaper that is making claims about a 2001 event without any proper citations. I tried locating the cited case file PGR/QRO/PGRIV/581/2012 and couldn’t find anything about it. I also couldn’t find an article from a major Mexican paper or with a named author on this 2012 incident. 2012 is certainly not old enough to claim lost articles are the reason there is only a single report from the period of this story.

>Now you’ve directly attacked me and called me a liar.

Yes, notice you haven’t mentioned or apologized for using conflicting information or misrepresenting the articles. You didn’t address my claims, you simply cited 2 sources again. Why not address the clear factual misrepresentations you made such as both men being Israeli which no source supports.

>The fact is you’re the one who is spreading misinformation. I’ve provided you the links and the direct quotes.

Strange I didn’t actually see you address any of my claims. Please show me what misinformation I spread on this story.

>The official media have called them terrorists, and they are terrorists.

A single poor quality source doesn’t from a decade later doesn’t make someone a terrorist, especially when government statements and the actual facts of charges directly contradict it. My question would be why we would not follow the statements of the Mexican government over very little low quality reporting in mediocre media sources.

Why would that have stopped you from sharing the unarchived URL? It’s very clear you are not interested in actually assessing the quality of the evidence and sources because if you did so honestly you would have to realize there is no good source to be making the claims that they were terrorists, had explosives, had firearms (plural) or a terrorist plot. This is a waste of time. You don’t actually believe this is good sourcing, you just want an anti-israel article. Sorry but you’re gonna need to find another article to vandalize for that. ~2025-41354-72 (talk) 17:45, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

What about this quote by La Razon that “Officers from patrol unit M-232 of the Municipal Guard, accompanied by three other units, inspected the SUV and then requested the presence of the Criminal Investigation Division of the Querétaro Attorney General’s Office. This was because it was discovered that he was Salvador Gerson Smeke, a former colonel in the Israeli Defense Forces, who had been arrested in November 2001 with explosives, cables, and other devices, as well as two weapons, inside the Chamber of Deputies”.

> Here is the link: https://archive.ph/jZs62#selection-885.0-902.0

This link works. Stop lying. You can load it. It’s just that you are pretending to be ohh, it’s not working so you can justify the trash you are putting in.

Are you seriously claiming La Razón isn’t a major paper? Because that’s a weak dodge.

And I never said newspapers need “citations” like an academic paper. I said: if you’re calling a secondary report unreliable, you need a reason that isn’t just vibes—especially when you’re asking me to accept or reject claims based on sourcing.

As for the case number: I’m not treating it as the centerpiece. The point is corroboration.

>The official media have called them terrorists, and they are terrorists.

I provided the actual newspaper. You’re just blowing smoke. Let me give you another citation here: https://www.jornada.com.mx/2001/10/14/028n2pol.html#:~:text=Como%2520se%2520recordar%C3%A1%252C%2520el%2520extranjero,portafolios%2520con%2520aparatos%2520posiblemente%2520explosivos

From La Journada

DOMINGO Ť 14 Ť OCTUBRE Ť 2001

Ť Lo entregan al INM

Liberan al israelí detenido en la Cámara de Diputados

NOTIMEX

El juez primero de distrito en materia de procesos penales federales de la ciudad de México, Tereso Ramos Hernández, otorgó ayer libertad provisional al israelí Saer Ben-Zvi o Saar Noam Ben-Zvi, quien el miércoles pasado fue detenido en las inmediaciones de la Cámara de Diputados.

Saer Ben-Zvi o Saar Noam Ben-Zvi salió del Reclusorio Preventivo Norte, donde quedó internado la noche del viernes pasado, tras pagar una fianza fijada en 42 mil 500 pesos; sin embargo, de inmediato fue puesto a disposición del Instituto Nacional de Migración (INM).

Como se recordará, el extranjero y el mexicano Salvador Gersson Smeck fueron aprehendidos el pasado día 9 cerca de la Cámara de Diputados, ya que ambos portaban una arma de fuego y un portafolios con aparatos posiblemente explosivos.

Gersson Smeck, según dio a conocer la Procuraduría General de la República (PGR), portaba un arma calibre nueve milímetros y quedó en libertad con las reservas de ley. Además, subrayó, se pidió información a la Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (Sedena) “en relación con el permiso de portación de arma de fuego con que cuenta”.

Al israelita, en cambio, se le trasladó al Reclusorio Varonil Norte, como probable responsable de violar la Ley General de Población.

SUNDAY, OCTOBER 14, 2001

Handed Over to the INM

Israeli Detained at the Chamber of Deputies Released

NOTIMEX

The First District Judge for Federal Criminal Proceedings in Mexico City, Tereso Ramos Hernández, granted provisional release yesterday to Israeli Saer Ben-Zvi, also known as Saar Noam Ben-Zvi, who was detained last Wednesday near the Chamber of Deputies.

Saer Ben-Zvi, also known as Saar Noam Ben-Zvi, was released from the North Preventive Prison, where he had been held since Friday night, after posting bail of 42,500 pesos; however, he was immediately turned over to the National Migration Institute (INM).

As you may recall, the foreigner and the Mexican national Salvador Gersson Smeck were apprehended on the 9th near the Chamber of Deputies, as both were carrying a firearm and a briefcase containing what appeared to be explosive devices.

According to the Attorney General’s Office (PGR), Gersson Smeck was carrying a nine-millimeter handgun and was released with reservations under the law. The PGR also stated that it requested information from the Ministry of National Defense (Sedena) “regarding his firearms permit.”

The Israeli national, however, was transferred to the North Men’s Prison as a suspect in a violation of the General Population Law.

Why was the Israeli arrested? Do people randomly get arrested carrying handguns in a country where firearms are banned?

Now listen, there is so much evidence that you can’t just ignore. Bring one citation that says that guy was not a terrorist. And regarding anti-Israel stuff that you’re talking about. I’m quite neutral. You are the one who is biased and changing articles. DeepControl (talk) 05:50, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

>What about this quote by La Razon that “Officers from patrol unit M-232 of the Municipal Guard, accompanied by three other units, inspected the SUV and then requested the presence of the Criminal Investigation Division of the Querétaro Attorney General’s Office. This was because it was discovered that he was Salvador Gerson Smeke, a former colonel in the Israeli Defense Forces, who had been arrested in November 2001 with explosives, cables, and other devices, as well as two weapons, inside the Chamber of Deputies”.

Why is the best source you can find for this foiled terrorist plot a 2012 article as the only source reporting on this story, without a named author in a newspaper that loves to exaggerate stories. It’s just not a serious consideration of evidence for such a significant claim especially with no actual citations in the article in question.

>This link works. Stop lying. You can load it. It’s just that you are pretending to be ohh, it’s not working so you can justify the trash you are putting in.

Luckily I’ve been able to search these article to find them. It would still be worthwhile to use live links or current captures.

>Are you seriously claiming La Razón isn’t a major paper? Because that’s a weak dodge.

No it isn’t and doesn’t have the same journalistic standards as the major papers. Why would they be the only Mexican paper to be reporting on this story or terror attack? It doesn’t make much sense.

>And I never said newspapers need “citations” like an academic paper. I said: if you’re calling a secondary report unreliable, you need a reason that isn’t just vibes—especially when you’re asking me to accept or reject claims based on sourcing.

Yes it’s not sufficient evidence to support the nature of the claims being made. We wouldn’t expect an attempting bombing of a Mexican government building to just have never been widely reported or the fact that the bomber was rearrested in Mexico a decade later. This isn’t the type of claim you should be struggling to find a credible source for. There should be charges related to the explosives charges or evidence of reliable contemporary reporting not a decade after the fact.

>I provided the actual newspaper. You’re just blowing smoke. Let me give you another citation here: https://www.jornada.com.mx/2001/10/14/028n2pol.html#:~:text=Como%2520se%2520recordar%C3%A1%252C%2520el%2520extranjero,portafolios%2520con%2520aparatos%2520posiblemente%2520explosivos

Great citation! High quality contemporary source, says nothing about a terrorist attack, doesn’t say they actually had explosives and clearly shows that only one was Israeli and that the Mexican had the gun.

>Why was the Israeli arrested?

The article says why very clearly: “The Israeli national, however, was transferred to the North Men’s Prison as a suspect in a violation of the General Population Law.”

He violated immigration laws. No weapons charge and definitely no explosives charges or terrorism.

How can I bring a citation to show your made up claims are false. I can point to the official government announcement already discussed or this jornada article. The burden is on you to prove an attempted terrorist attack occurred. It is a very strong and large claim and requires real high quality substantive evidence. So far you’ve provided none to support your core lies. ~2025-41354-72 (talk) 07:16, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Legislative Palace of San Lázaro, you may be blocked from editing. Matt Deres (talk) 18:20, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

All explainations were provided. The Wikipedia article has outright falsehoods and lies unsubstantiated by real sources or even many of the sources being cited. It simply should not be there. There is zero evidence those men were both Israelis (sources say only 1 was) and zero evidence they were terrorists and plotting an attack. I will continue to remove these falsehoods and continue to cite the misrepresentation and unreliability of the sources being used. I will appeal any block and request admin review of any moderators would block my removal of lies. There is no real argument for keeping the lies on the Wikipedia page. Find me any high quality source for this “attempted terrorist attack”. ~2025-41354-72 (talk) 04:01, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

No explanations were provided. You are accusing the newspaper of lying and misinformation without any source. Real evidence is provided by me, and you chose to ignore it. You can appeal to whoever you want. DeepControl (talk) 05:52, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You haven’t presented any real evidence for the claims of terrorism, explosives or even both men being Israeli. You keep pointing to sources that either aren’t reliable or don’t say the things they claim to support. ~2025-41354-72 (talk) 06:48, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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