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*:I’m happy to be proved wrong on this though, you’ve clearly put plenty of time in to working this out. [[User:Stuart Newmanite|Stuart Newmanite]] ([[User talk:Stuart Newmanite|talk]]) 13:20, 7 November 2025 (UTC) |
*:I’m happy to be proved wrong on this though, you’ve clearly put plenty of time in to working this out. [[User:Stuart Newmanite|Stuart Newmanite]] ([[User talk:Stuart Newmanite|talk]]) 13:20, 7 November 2025 (UTC) |
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*: I don’t recognise the name Faedra, nor any copying of his writings. My involvement with [[English Tangier]] and [[Tangier Garrison]] is that my wife has genealogical connectionss to [[Roger Elliott (governor)]] and [[Alexander Spotswood]]. I had researched the history of the Garrison, but I only remember adding public sourced material or minor Wikiedits to the above articles. I didn’t get hold of any unpublished work, nor use any, and am unsure where it appears that I have. I’m happy for any article to be corrected, as you see fit. Rgrds, [[User:Icairns 2|Icairns 2]] ([[User talk:Icairns 2|talk]]) 15:36, 7 November 2025 (UTC) |
*: I don’t recognise the name Faedra, nor any copying of his writings. My involvement with [[English Tangier]] and [[Tangier Garrison]] is that my wife has genealogical connectionss to [[Roger Elliott (governor)]] and [[Alexander Spotswood]]. I had researched the history of the Garrison, but I only remember adding public sourced material or minor Wikiedits to the above articles. I didn’t get hold of any unpublished work, nor use any, and am unsure where it appears that I have. I’m happy for any article to be corrected, as you see fit. Rgrds, [[User:Icairns 2|Icairns 2]] ([[User talk:Icairns 2|talk]]) 15:36, 7 November 2025 (UTC) |
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*: PS: I have never claimed copyright on any Wiki contribution – this doesn’t sound like me at all. [[User:Icairns 2|Icairns 2]] ([[User talk:Icairns 2|talk]]) 15:40, 7 November 2025 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 15:41, 7 November 2025
- English Tangier (history · last edit · rewrite) [1] – as shown, this was copied from Faedra‘s quasi-published geneology project[2] that, somehow, Icairns got a hold of. Faedra removed a lot of the material at the time, [3] but I don’t think we can take that as consent to release the rest of the excerpt, especially given the circumstances in which they quit. They also seemingly claimed full copyright on a pre-existing version released on the internet, though that’s been lost to time. [4] – so we’re at WP:DCM. Sending through copyright problems because of the complicated licensing status and age. Remaining text shouldn’t be that bad to trim out, it’s all Earwig-readable.[5] GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 10:01, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- That looks like it was quite a struggle to find, so well done. I’m not quite sure I follow the process though.
- If I follow you correctly, Faedra had a draft of a history of English Tangier. Icairn somehow got hold of it, and used it as a basis to create the relevant Wikipedia page. Faedra then claimed full copyright of their original work, so the text should be rewritten to ensure only other sources are used.
- Assuming that my understanding is correct, is there actually any evidence that Faedra’s text even mentioned Tangier? I cannot find one mention of it in any of the pages on website for Kings Carpenters And Heretics which I believe is attributed to Faedra’s. Admittedly only part of the source seems to be accessible online, but there is no indication the Tangier is covered. Also, if there is a pre-existing version, where would it be other than on the same page with the other information from the book?
- If the text is Faedra’s and they were annoyed at a breach of copyright, surely they would have removed it if it concerned them? Instead, even though they were quickly aware of the page, Faedra’s first edit on the page is simply to remove the source attributing it to them, with no further edit for 10 days. Their subsequent edits only improve the page, which would be odd if it was copyrighted material that they did not want used. You described these edits as removing ‘a lot of the material’, but to me the changes are just improving the style of the piece to make it more suitable for an encyclopaedia.
- I’m happy to be proved wrong on this though, you’ve clearly put plenty of time in to working this out. Stuart Newmanite (talk) 13:20, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- I don’t recognise the name Faedra, nor any copying of his writings. My involvement with English Tangier and Tangier Garrison is that my wife has genealogical connectionss to Roger Elliott (governor) and Alexander Spotswood. I had researched the history of the Garrison, but I only remember adding public sourced material or minor Wikiedits to the above articles. I didn’t get hold of any unpublished work, nor use any, and am unsure where it appears that I have. I’m happy for any article to be corrected, as you see fit. Rgrds, Icairns 2 (talk) 15:36, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
- PS: I have never claimed copyright on any Wiki contribution – this doesn’t sound like me at all. Icairns 2 (talk) 15:40, 7 November 2025 (UTC)
