Talk:Dupe (product): Difference between revisions

This is the essentially same thing as knockoff and should be merged, either to the current target, or to the split off page if that is implemented. Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe just move it to knockoff and we can finally execute the split that gained consensus but no one ever bothered to do. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alpha3031 Would you oppose renaming this article to knockoff and then doing the split? PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i did that PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PARAKANYAA You are mistaken: dupes are not counterfeit products, as the text clearly explained. I don’t understand why you changed the wording to “knockoffs.” and confused everyone to thinking knockoffs and dupes are same. Cinaroot (talk) 08:30, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot believe the article had wrong info for more than a year Cinaroot (talk) 08:31, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dupe (product) → KnockoffKnockoff – I feel like knockoff is sufficiently unobscure that we’d prefer the NATDAB over the PARENDAB here, but I guess there could be reasonable disagreement so going to kick it over to the full RM instead of doing a TR. Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:55, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Knockoff is Counterfeit. Not dupe. There is a difference. Counterfeit is illegal. Dupe is legal. Cinaroot (talk) 08:00, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another editor altered the page in a way that confused readers by mixing up dupes and knockoffs. They also changed the knockoff redirect from “counterfeit” to “dupe,” which is incorrect. Cinaroot (talk) 08:41, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The text of the counterfeit article currently says that a knockoff isn’t a counterfeit: that dupes and knockoffs both mimic the physical look of other products without copying the brand name or logo of a trademarked item, unlike counterfeits. Is that incorrect, in your view? Belbury (talk) 08:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think people often use dupe and knockoff interchangeably, which creates confusion, especially because knockoff has traditionally been associated with counterfeit goods. In recent years, however, dupe has developed its own distinct meaning, referring to legally gray look-alike products that mimic a premium item without pretending to be the original. Cinaroot (talk) 09:13, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where does that leave knockoff – is it a skunked term that used to mean counterfeit and is now moving towards meaning dupe? Belbury (talk) 09:21, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we could consult either dictionaries or try to directly look through RS to see how they use the term (which I don’t think would count as OR) but I don’t really have much skin in the game here. To be honest, I don’t even have strong feelings for if we should split things into a third article (maybe one title covering both, one for illegal, third one for legal, or whatever people want the distinction to be) or merge them all into one, I just think if we are to have two we should have this one at knockoff. I don’t have any etymological dictionaries handy right now though. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:12, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These are few sources. Knockoff are not used to refer to Dupes anymore.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/31/gen-z-millennials-are-shopping-for-dupes-the-most-report-finds.html

https://www.theguardian.com/media/article/2024/may/20/counterfeit-cool-high-end-brands-urged-embrace-dupe

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2023/03/22/dupes-shopping-trend-gen-z/

Such items used to be called knockoffs……… But now they’re dupes, a Gen Z rebranding of fashion and beauty products that are cheaper versions of the real thing — duplicate, but also duplicity, since the wearer might trick someone into believing they bought designer.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/02/tiktok-dupes-knockoff-products-consumer-behavior/673198/ Cinaroot (talk) 15:21, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

None of these sources say they are different things. In fact, multiple say the exact opposite. PARAKANYAA (talk) 16:33, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No — the sources clearly distinguish dupes from counterfeit products. I’m fine noting that “dupe” and “knockoff” are sometimes used interchangeably, but this article is about the newer trend (Dupe culture) and Dupe itself. Its recency doesn’t make it any less relevant or any less appropriate as a standalone topic. Cinaroot (talk) 16:54, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=dupe,knockoff&hl=en Dupe 69 – Knockoff 4

Dupe is the primary topic. You are pushing this based on your opinion or previous understanding. Things have changed. Cinaroot (talk) 16:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Google Trends is not a reliable source, and “dupe” has several other meanings besides this specific one which conflate them; looking at the full history of the trend, the rise starts far earlier than this was ever used as a term for this, meaning the vast majority of searches aren’t about this. None of the sources you provided say they are separate things! In fact, they say the exact opposite! PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:00, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Search “dupe” on Google and look at the results — they overwhelmingly relate to dupe products. Over the past five years, interest in the term has risen from 22 to 86, while “knockoff” has stayed flat at around 4. Yes, “dupe” has other meanings, but Google’s job is to surface what people are actually looking for, and the results clearly reflect that. The term has been used for product look-alikes since the early 2000s, and its recent surge in popularity is exactly what this article should document. Cinaroot (talk) 17:11, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not get overwhelmingly that, I get a bunch of companies, dictionary definitions (which note that the primary definition for dupe is Not This). In fact, the only result on the first page of Google that is about this is this article! Yes, and that is before this term started to be used in reference to this, so it’s clearly not why it rose. PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:13, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t see a point in arguing anymore. I have made my points. If you feel differently, that’s fine. We will let consensus determine. Cinaroot (talk) 17:17, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Knockoff is the primary topic. The sources that Cinaroot brought up explicitly make clear this does mean the same thing; to what extent “dupe” is a separate thing, it is not notable enough for its own article and is a subtopic of “knockoff”. Brief social media trends do not supplant the primary term. PARAKANYAA (talk) 16:32, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. This article relies on high-quality sources specifically about dupes and dupe culture, so the title should remain unchanged. It’s sufficient to explain within the text that “knockoff” and “dupe” are sometimes used interchangeably, even though they are not identical terms. The term “knockoff” has redirected to Counterfeit since 2007.

I have made it very clear Dupe is not Counterfeit products. Sources support this clearly. Cinaroot (talk) 16:48, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here is google trend link to prove you wrong.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=dupe,knockoff&hl=en

Dupe 69

Knockoff 4 Cinaroot (talk) 16:57, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Google Trends is not a reliable source, and “dupe” has several other meanings besides this specific one which conflate them; looking at the full history of the trend, the rise starts far earlier than this was ever used as a term for this, meaning the vast majority of searches aren’t about this. None of the sources you provided say they are separate things! In fact, they say the exact opposite! PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:00, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Replied in previous thread Cinaroot (talk) 17:12, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I created this page for dupe procuts which is different from counterfeit products. But it was changed by @PARAKANYAA to make it look like dupe and knockoffs (Counterfeit products) are the same. This is not true. Cinaroot (talk) 09:02, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They are the same, yes. PARAKANYAA (talk) 16:33, 20 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]