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I am trying to change the listing of Hema Malini in the infobox as, “partner ” instead of, “spouse” but it is not happening. Please do the needful.115.96.177.152 (talk) 12:11, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@IP: The cited source indicates they were married, so can you explain why it should be changed to partner? — Ab207 (talk) 12:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ab207, Dharmendra never got divorced from his first wife, so Hema Malini is just a, ‘”partner”.-115.96.177.152 (talk) 13:02, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand, the article never says that he had divorced from his first wife. But the we cannot conclude that Malini is just a “partner” on that basis, as it amounts to WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH. Also, the source indicates that he indeed married her in 1979 by converting to Islam. — Ab207 (talk) 13:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please confirm it with relevant sources. not articles or blogs. One hand hokage (talk) 09:17, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

its not revalant ~2025-36640-18 (talk) 13:19, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fylindfotberserk, you recently added an ndtv news article as citation for Dharmendra’s full name. The source doesn’t seem to be very reliable considering that our Wikipedia article has this variant “Dharam Singh Deol” mentioned for over a decade. It may have been added by some user doing WP:SYNTHESIS and NDTV probably took this info from our page itself. In his affidavit for 2004 elections, he declared his name as “Dharmendra” rather than “Dharam Singh Deol”. Such affidavits are considered more reliable than secondary sources like news articles. Dympies (talk) 19:21, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dympies: Yup that affidavit would trump all the other sources. I’ve updated it. Thanks. – Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:26, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He changed his name again as Dharmedra Singh Deol, [1] 106.196.75.142 (talk) 13:08, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

and his son use Ajay Singh Dharmendra Deol accoding to affidavit 106.196.75.142 (talk) 13:14, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If this is Robzz, I’d suggest using the registered ID instead of an IP. The mid-name “Singh” doesn’t imply much about the background (see WP:OR). Also this source isn’t reliable since it talk about the film credit not official name. Secondly, it talks about another news portal (Hindustan Times) and alleges something (see MOS:ALLEGED). Third, it says his father’s name is “Kewal Kishan Singh Deol” which is wrong per the affifdavit, there is no Singh” in the name. Fourth, we write what is explicitly self-identified per WP:NOR and WP:BLPPRIVACY pe which he self-identified as a “Hindu” as well as “Arya Samaj” is mentioned, the former part was removed, which is disruptive/POV edit. – Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:38, 23 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• TDKR Chicago 101 has added a note saying His full name at birth was Dharmendra Kewal Krishan Deol according to The New York Times. His school teacher gave him the name Dharam Singh Deol, often leading to some confusion about his actual birth name. But the BBC source says that “he was named Dharam Singh Deol by his schoolteacher father. and the extra word “father” seems significant. We still seem to need more clarity about this. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:58, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Seeing as how there’s conflicting reports from reliable sources regarding his birth name what we could do is just delete his full name from the intro and substitute it with simply Dharmendra and add a note next to it explaining the conflicting reports. We should also delete his supposed full name in the early life section and add a sentence about the conflicting two birth names. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:52, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~2025-36204-06 (talk) 19:38, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it’s not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a “change X to Y” format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 19:57, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dharmendra was born as Dharmender Singh Deol (Sikh)
His father name was Kewal Kishan Singh Deol
Mother: Satwant Kaur (Sikh)

there is clear deception in this article. Please correct.

 Not done His affidavit mentions his full name as “Dharmendra Kewal Krishan Deol”, father’s name as “Kewal Krishan”, there is no mention of “Singh” in those names. Also, in an interview he said “I am a Hindu”, so not a Sikh either. – Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:23, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

== ✅ 1. Dharmendra: A Biography — Rajiv Vijayakar (Rupa Publications, 2014) ==

• One of the most cited biographies on him.
• Describes him as born into a Jat Sikh family in Punjab.
• Mentions his father, Kewal Kishan Singh Deol, and his Sikh rural upbringing.

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== ✅ 2. Hema Malini: Beyond the Dream Girl — Ram Kamal Mukherjee (HarperCollins, 2017) ==

• Although this is Hema Malini’s authorized biography, it contains a full background section on Dharmendra.
• States clearly that he came from a Jat Sikh farming family in Ludhiana district.

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== ✅ 3. Bollywood’s Top 20 Superstars of Indian Cinema — Bhaichand Patel (Penguin Viking) ==

• A multi-profile volume that includes Dharmendra.
• Lists his background as Punjabi Jat Sikh.

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== ✅ 4. Encyclopaedia of Hindi Cinema — Gulzar, Govind Nihalani, and Saibal Chatterjee (Roli Books / Encyclopaedia Britannica) ==

• A widely respected reference work.
• Notes that Dharmendra was born to a Sikh family in Punjab.

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== ✅ 5. Stardust archives & official profiles (1970s–1990s) ==

• Multiple long-form profiles and anniversary issues (particularly their 1988 and 1995 retrospectives) describe him as:
  • “A tall, handsome Jat Sikh from Punjab.”

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== Additional credible mainstream sources ==

These are not full biographies but authoritative reference entries:

=== ✔ Britannica (in older editions) ===

• Listed him as “born to a Sikh family in Nasrali/Sahnewal, Punjab.”

=== ✔ Oxford Encyclopaedia of South Asian Cinema (OUP) ===

• Described Dharmendra as “Punjabi Jat Sikh.”

=== ✔ Filmfare 2005 anniversary profile ===

• States: “Dharam Singh Deol, the Sikh lad from Punjab…”

~2025-36204-06 (talk) 21:48, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dharmendra Father: Kewal Kish Singh Deol (Sikh)
Mother: Satwant Kaur (Sikh)

His real name: Dharam Singh Deol (Sikh) ~2025-36204-06 (talk) 19:45, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 19:57, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

His affidavit mentions his full name as “Dharmendra Kewal Krishan Deol”, father’s name as “Kewal Krishan”, there is no mention of “Singh” in those names. Also, in an interview he said “I am a Hindu”, so not a Sikh either. – Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:24, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

he made no such assertions.

He was a regular attendee of Sikh Gurudwara, having Sikh ceremony at his home (Akhand Path)

Furthermore, go to his village and ask who he was: name and religion

Plenty of literature online supporting my assertion

he was listed as a Sikh on wikipedia for many years

Dharmendra was his screen name

Dharam Singh Deol — his birth name

Still confused? Ask his daughters who live in the USA or his first wife who lives in Canada ~2025-36204-06 (talk) 21:21, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

== ✅ 1. Dharmendra: A Biography — Rajiv Vijayakar (Rupa Publications, 2014) ==

• One of the most cited biographies on him.
• Describes him as born into a Jat Sikh family in Punjab.
• Mentions his father, Kewal Kishan Singh Deol, and his Sikh rural upbringing.

—-

== ✅ 2. Hema Malini: Beyond the Dream Girl — Ram Kamal Mukherjee (HarperCollins, 2017) ==

• Although this is Hema Malini’s authorized biography, it contains a full background section on Dharmendra.
• States clearly that he came from a Jat Sikh farming family in Ludhiana district.

—-

== ✅ 3. Bollywood’s Top 20 Superstars of Indian Cinema — Bhaichand Patel (Penguin Viking) ==

• A multi-profile volume that includes Dharmendra.
• Lists his background as Punjabi Jat Sikh.

—-

== ✅ 4. Encyclopaedia of Hindi Cinema — Gulzar, Govind Nihalani, and Saibal Chatterjee (Roli Books / Encyclopaedia Britannica) ==

• A widely respected reference work.
• Notes that Dharmendra was born to a Sikh family in Punjab.

—-

== ✅ 5. Stardust archives & official profiles (1970s–1990s) ==

• Multiple long-form profiles and anniversary issues (particularly their 1988 and 1995 retrospectives) describe him as:
  • “A tall, handsome Jat Sikh from Punjab.”

—-

== Additional credible mainstream sources ==

These are not full biographies but authoritative reference entries:

=== ✔ Britannica (in older editions) ===

• Listed him as “born to a Sikh family in Nasrali/Sahnewal, Punjab.”

=== ✔ Oxford Encyclopaedia of South Asian Cinema (OUP) ===

• Described Dharmendra as “Punjabi Jat Sikh.”

=== ✔ Filmfare 2005 anniversary profile ===

• States: “Dharam Singh Deol, the Sikh lad from Punjab…”

~2025-36204-06 (talk) 21:49, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Yes, he made such assertions in the affidavit and in an interview (you can find those links in the article). The article previously had a wrong name because Wikipedia is not reliable and a lot of the supposed reliable sources pick up content from Wikipedia articles and other unreliable outlets. But those wouldn’t trump an official government source. We are not “going to village” or ask “XYZ”. It is an encyclopedia working under a set of rules, not investigative journalism. – Fylindfotberserk (talk) 21:49, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

seriously? he was lying all this time, over many decades? you are going by a name change that people in India do to get into public office/ ~2025-36204-06 (talk) 21:52, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously.. yes. You are going against official documents (affidavit) submitted by the subject himself. Everything will fall short. You would need ‘extraordinary evidences’. Find an interview from a reliable source where he explicitly mentions his name and religion (different from what is in the affidavit). Then we can discuss, and do read WP:NOR while you are at it. FYI it was me maintaining the Sikh part and that name before someone dropped in the affidavit, and the interview. Check few sections above. – Fylindfotberserk (talk) 22:07, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

there is plenty of information for you– in what I have posted. You are just being intransigent and not able to understand how people in India change their names for govt. office (esp when running in a hindu majority state) and cinema. FYI: There are countless Christians in India with hindu names –will you label them as Hindu? ~2025-36204-06 (talk) 22:16, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What part of “You would need ‘extraordinary evidences'” you didn’t understand? Wikipedia is not a forum, nor a voting system. “understand how people in India change their names for govt. office (esp when running in a hindu majority state)” ← That’s a rather biased, personal analyses and serious allegation directed towards the deceased. Do you have an official (government) source claiming that he indeed changed his religion? Third, refrain from making personal attacks. – Fylindfotberserk (talk) 22:35, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have the evidence, but you are not assimilating it. I will ask again: does listing a name in a government election affidavit automatically make someone a Hindu? You have still not answered my question about Christians who legally carry traditionally Hindu names.

The only person directing serious allegations against the deceased is you. You continue to overlook the fact that, in multiple biographies and interviews, he consistently stated that he was Sikh. ~2025-36204-06 (talk) 22:52, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Says the one who claims people in “India change their names for govt. office”.. Nice try. Reiterating again, what part of “affidavit mentions his full name as “Dharmendra Kewal Krishan Deol”, father’s name as “Kewal Krishan”…. in an interview he said “I am a Hindu” ” you didn’t understand? Nobody is conflating religion based on names in affidavits. Whatever you are claiming here about nature of the article is nothing but your POV, personal analysis, may be WP:CIR. And where are those interviews you claimed? Also post one where he explicitly mentioned his change of religion from Sikhism to Hinduism. I’ll be here tomorrow, lets look into your claims. – Fylindfotberserk (talk) 00:03, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please review the evidence I already sent you. I’m genuinely beginning to wonder whether you are reading what I write or approaching this with preconceived assumptions. You still have not addressed my actual questions.

You are relying on a single interview attributed to his father—an interview that could very well be inaccurate or misrepresented, which is not uncommon in India—while disregarding multiple independent sources, including Dharmendra’s own statements and reputable biographical writings, all of which clearly identify him as Sikh. I have already provided these to you. ~2025-36204-06 (talk) 00:10, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This interview has nothing to do with his father, neither mentions his name nor even the word ‘father’. The exact quote being – “I am a Hindu. The question of my having ever changed religion does not exist.”. Did you even read that, or are you simply faking stuff. Seriously wondering whether a case of Wikipedia:TROLL, if not WP:CIR and POV.

As I said before, not a single source you provided above is in the same league as these two. Both the affidavit and the interview passes self-identification, hence trump over every third person reference. Now, where are those ‘multiple interviews and own statements’ you claimed? If you are diligent enough, link here atleast one (working) where he explicitly mentions (self-identifies) “Sikh” and “Dharam Singh Deol”, instead of delving into conspiracy theories and the likes. – Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:54, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]