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:Thank you for your message. I understand the importance of respecting copyright and ensuring all content is written in my own words. I will make sure to properly paraphrase and use external sources only for reference and verification moving forward. I appreciate you for reaching out and will comply with the policy. [[User:GerryYabes|GerryYabes]] ([[User talk:GerryYabes#top|talk]]) 15:54, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you for your message. I understand the importance of respecting copyright and ensuring all content is written in my own words. I will make sure to properly paraphrase and use external sources only for reference and verification moving forward. I appreciate you for reaching out and will comply with the policy. [[User:GerryYabes|GerryYabes]] ([[User talk:GerryYabes#top|talk]]) 15:54, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

== Happy First Edit Anniversary GerryYabes 🎉 ==

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:Thank you so much for your message. I really appreciate it. [[User:GerryYabes|GerryYabes]] ([[User talk:GerryYabes#top|talk]]) 12:44, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

== {{tl|PH wikidata}} usage ==

As far as I know, {{tl|PH wikidata}} isn’t intended for use in article prose yet, per the templates documentation and more specifically [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikidata Phase 2|this RFC]]. Is there something I missed regarding permitting its inclusion in an article’s prose that I’m missing? [[User:Perryprog|Perryprog]] ([[User talk:Perryprog|talk]]) 17:55, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for message. Question, should I put on hold or continue? [[User:GerryYabes|GerryYabes]] ([[User talk:GerryYabes#top|talk]]) 18:02, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

::Probably put it on hold and maaaaaaaybe ask on either [[WP:VPR]] or [[WP:VPI]] for advice. There might be a better forum, though. [[User:Perryprog|Perryprog]] ([[User talk:Perryprog|talk]]) 18:07, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

:::”maaaaaaaybe”? Just keep me posted then. Appreciate it. Thanks. [[User:GerryYabes|GerryYabes]] ([[User talk:GerryYabes#top|talk]]) 18:53, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

::::I mean, the proper thing would be to open an RfC on the inclusion of Wikidata usage in article prose to see if there’s a new consensus, but it might be possible to get away with something smaller in scale—I’m not entirely sure. Doing the full-scale RfC is probably what’s necessary to be able to use those templates in prose properly. (I will also admit I’ve personally wanted to have Wikidata being the source for a lot of these sort of perennially updated numbers, especially for infoboxes on the various country economy articles which (for some reason) attract a ridiculous amount of subtle vandalism.) [[User:Perryprog|Perryprog]] ([[User talk:Perryprog|talk]]) 19:40, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

:::::Hey, until I don’t receive any response or consensus to what you’re talking about, will keep doing this forward. Unless you can provide evidence that PH wikidata are vandalism since you’re still NOT entirely sure. Thanks for reaching out. [[User:GerryYabes|GerryYabes]] ([[User talk:GerryYabes#top|talk]]) 18:41, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

::::::To be clear, I’m not saying it’s vandalism! My point is that this does contradict what that template’s documentation states which says, {{tq|this template is limited to use within infoboxes. It must not be used within article prose}}, and this seems to reflect what the various RfCs listed at {{§l|Wikipedia:Wikidata#Appropriate_usage_in_articles}} have found. [[User:Perryprog|Perryprog]] ([[User talk:Perryprog|talk]]) 19:39, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Since you agree that it’s not vandalism, however I don’t see the part that says ”this template is limited to use within infoboxes. It must not be used within article prose” at [[Wikipedia:Wikidata#Appropriate usage in articles|Wikipedia:Wikidata – Wikipedia]] Where did you get this?

:::::::I have read this line: ””’It is possible to use Wikidata to supply content ANYWHERE in an article, including in article text ”'(e.g., to add the numbers in the sentence “The current population of Berlin is 3,782,202.”), in infoboxes, in other templates, in tables, and in lists. It is even possible, with #Lua modules, to import Wikidata’s reference information for the claim.” This what I’m doing since then.

:::::::Now your point DOESN’T make sense at all to me now. Will keep using Wikidata as long as the information is accurate and it meets Wikipedia rules for reliable information. [[User:GerryYabes|GerryYabes]] ([[User talk:GerryYabes#top|talk]]) 14:04, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

::::::::The very next line after what you quoted is ”’It is, on the other hand, not appropriate to use Wikidata in article text on English Wikipedia ”’. So please cut it out and don’t use this in running text in any article. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 14:31, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::How about the line: ””’It is possible to use Wikidata to supply content ANYWHERE in an article, including in article text””’ how is that? [[User:GerryYabes|GerryYabes]] ([[User talk:GerryYabes#top|talk]]) 14:33, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::It is technically ”possible”; it is not always ”allowed” though. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 14:45, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::So, just to confirm, we can’t use Wikidata in article prose even if an editor verifies its accuracy and follows reliability guidelines, simply because there’s no consensus yet. However, we can use it technically. Does that mean consensus takes priority over accuracy and reliability? [[User:GerryYabes|GerryYabes]] ([[User talk:GerryYabes#top|talk]]) 14:50, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::::You can add the data Wikidata would generate manually as well, so it’s not as if the accurate ”data” isn’t allowed on Wikipedia.

::::::::::::I haven’t thoroughly checked it, but it looks as if you can use the following code:

::::::::::::<nowiki>According to the {{subst:PH wikidata|population_as_of}}, it has a population of {{subst:PH wikidata|population_total}} people.{{subst:PH wikidata|population_reference}}</nowiki>

::::::::::::[[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 14:59, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

::::::::The quotation is from the documentation of {{tl|PH wikidata}}. [[User:Perryprog|Perryprog]] ([[User talk:Perryprog|talk]]) 14:51, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Thanks for sharing the information, [[User:Perryprog|Perryprog]], and [[User:Fram|Fram]]. I really appreciate it. [[User:GerryYabes|GerryYabes]] ([[User talk:GerryYabes#top|talk]]) 23:09, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

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Hopkinkse (talk) 15:28, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Good Day GerryYabes. I understand your angle on modifying the leads at this hour, but it is simply incompatible with the schedules instituted by COMELEC. Your rationales only align with the inclusion of the “current elections” template, given that this is a quickly forthcoming election, but it does not align with altering the lead in the way that you did. Your construction implies that the electoral process (voting itself) is ongoing, which is not the case especially given the election schedules that we must stringently reflect in the prose of these articles. On a national scale, even this degree of negligence to detail can be construed as irresponsible and can misinform. Please stop and wait until we can say that the election is “currently being held”. TofuMuncher (talk) 18:16, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Good morning, and thanks for your comprehensive feedback.

I understand your points about the interpretation of the election timeline according to COMELEC’s official schedule. You have a good argument about the accuracy required when defining if the voting process has begun, particularly on the lead portion of news seen by the masses. My intention was to capture the importance and urgency of the event as it happens on election day itself, given the public and media focus already focused on it. Nevertheless, I realize that stating it as “currently being held” prior to the opening of the polls at 7:00 AM might give the impression that voting has already begun, which might be confusing or seem premature. According to your suggestion, I will not make any changes to the lead until the election is officially underway according to COMELEC’s schedule. I also thank you for the reminder to keep things encyclopedically accurate, especially on politically charged articles such as this one. Thanks again for your advice, and I’m glad to work together in making sure we capture the facts with both timeliness and accuracy. GerryYabes (talk) 18:22, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding. I am glad that this is now cleared out. Do continue contributing to pool of knowledge here in PH Wikipedia, albeit with a more firm grasp on its core principles and standards. TofuMuncher (talk) 18:28, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Be aware that I added 7:00 am on the page. You failed to even include that in your last revert. Cheers. GerryYabes (talk) 18:29, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

I guess you’re not here to build the encyclopedia, as you’re too much focused-on Marikina elections. GerryYabes (talk) 16:43, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

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Thank you for the invitation. I added myself on the list. Cheers! GerryYabes (talk) 21:55, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Thank you for your message. I understand the importance of respecting copyright and ensuring all content is written in my own words. I will make sure to properly paraphrase and use external sources only for reference and verification moving forward. I appreciate you for reaching out and will comply with the policy. GerryYabes (talk) 15:54, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

Hey @GerryYabes. Your wiki edit anniversary is today, marking 20 years of dedicated contributions to English Wikipedia. Your passion for sharing knowledge and your remarkable contributions have not only enriched the project, but also inspired countless others to contribute. Thank you for your amazing contributions. Wishing you many more wonderful years ahead in the Wiki journey. 🙂 –❙❚❚❙❙ GnOeee ❚❙❚❙❙ ✉ 21:08, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your message. I really appreciate it. GerryYabes (talk) 12:44, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

As far as I know, {{PH wikidata}} isn’t intended for use in article prose yet, per the templates documentation and more specifically this RFC. Is there something I missed regarding permitting its inclusion in an article’s prose that I’m missing? Perryprog (talk) 17:55, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for message. Question, should I put on hold or continue? GerryYabes (talk) 18:02, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Probably put it on hold and maaaaaaaybe ask on either WP:VPR or WP:VPI for advice. There might be a better forum, though. Perryprog (talk) 18:07, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

maaaaaaaybe? Just keep me posted then. Appreciate it. Thanks. GerryYabes (talk) 18:53, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

I mean, the proper thing would be to open an RfC on the inclusion of Wikidata usage in article prose to see if there’s a new consensus, but it might be possible to get away with something smaller in scale—I’m not entirely sure. Doing the full-scale RfC is probably what’s necessary to be able to use those templates in prose properly. (I will also admit I’ve personally wanted to have Wikidata being the source for a lot of these sort of perennially updated numbers, especially for infoboxes on the various country economy articles which (for some reason) attract a ridiculous amount of subtle vandalism.) Perryprog (talk) 19:40, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Hey, until I don’t receive any response or consensus to what you’re talking about, will keep doing this forward. Unless you can provide evidence that PH wikidata are vandalism since you’re still NOT entirely sure. Thanks for reaching out. GerryYabes (talk) 18:41, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

To be clear, I’m not saying it’s vandalism! My point is that this does contradict what that template’s documentation states which says, this template is limited to use within infoboxes. It must not be used within article prose, and this seems to reflect what the various RfCs listed at Wikipedia:Wikidata § Appropriate usage in articles have found. Perryprog (talk) 19:39, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Since you agree that it’s not vandalism, however I don’t see the part that says this template is limited to use within infoboxes. It must not be used within article prose at Wikipedia:Wikidata – Wikipedia Where did you get this?

I have read this line: It is possible to use Wikidata to supply content ANYWHERE in an article, including in article text (e.g., to add the numbers in the sentence “The current population of Berlin is 3,782,202.”), in infoboxes, in other templates, in tables, and in lists. It is even possible, with #Lua modules, to import Wikidata’s reference information for the claim. This what I’m doing since then.

Now your point DOESN’T make sense at all to me now. Will keep using Wikidata as long as the information is accurate and it meets Wikipedia rules for reliable information. GerryYabes (talk) 14:04, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

The very next line after what you quoted is It is, on the other hand, not appropriate to use Wikidata in article text on English Wikipedia . So please cut it out and don’t use this in running text in any article. Fram (talk) 14:31, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

How about the line: It is possible to use Wikidata to supply content ANYWHERE in an article, including in article text how is that? GerryYabes (talk) 14:33, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

It is technically possible; it is not always allowed though. Fram (talk) 14:45, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

So, just to confirm, we can’t use Wikidata in article prose even if an editor verifies its accuracy and follows reliability guidelines, simply because there’s no consensus yet. However, we can use it technically. Does that mean consensus takes priority over accuracy and reliability? GerryYabes (talk) 14:50, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

You can add the data Wikidata would generate manually as well, so it’s not as if the accurate data isn’t allowed on Wikipedia.

I haven’t thoroughly checked it, but it looks as if you can use the following code:

According to the {{subst:PH wikidata|population_as_of}}, it has a population of {{subst:PH wikidata|population_total}} people.{{subst:PH wikidata|population_reference}}

Fram (talk) 14:59, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

The quotation is from the documentation of {{PH wikidata}}. Perryprog (talk) 14:51, 12 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing the information, Perryprog, and Fram. I really appreciate it. GerryYabes (talk) 23:09, 14 November 2025 (UTC)