Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2025 September 17: Difference between revisions

File:Blythe doll-en.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Siawase (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Fails NFCC #1. Images under a non-free license although there are a bunch of similar files (via OTRS permission) on Commons (category). After the images were removed, the uploader insisted on placing them again. Fma12 (talk) 09:27, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

File:Blythe Loves The Littlest Pet Shop dolls.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Siawase (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Same as above Fma12 (talk) 09:36, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Images of toys are derivative works and rights are held by the rights holder to the toy, not just the photographer, see [1]. So images of toys need a free use rationale. Siawase (talk) 09:59, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is not the point. The discusión is about the two non free imagen uploaded by you that fail nfcc#1. Why should they be placed instead of any of the free use similar images available? Fma12 (talk) 12:49, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because the images on commons of toys are not actually free and should be/will be deleted from commons. Siawase (talk) 13:42, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know that, but if there are free images available on commons, what is your need to add those non free photos? Could You explain that, considering that “Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available” according to WP:NFCC? Fma12 (talk) 14:34, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You know the images of toys on commons are not free but you keep calling them free? Sorry, but I don’t follow. Siawase (talk) 14:51, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Commons hosts free images of toys (with permission licenses). Just make a search yourself. Fma12 (talk) 18:10, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, they have permission from the photographer, not the rights holder of the toys themselves, that’s the problem with derivative works. If you look at the history of Blythe (doll) you can see that the images of Blythe dolls on commons have been deleted several times before:[2] Siawase (talk) 07:19, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That’s what I meant since this discusión started: why do You insist on uploading non-free images of the dolls when there are similar free-use images on Commons? Anda You haven’t answered that question yet. The NFCC images are absolutely unnecesary in this case Fma12 (talk) 09:45, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The images that were deleted were images of Blythe dolls on commons that you keep calling free, but that are in fact not free because they are derivative. The images I have uploaded here on en wiki with a free use rationale were not deleted because they are within policy. Siawase (talk) 10:03, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If an image has a license of free use (OTRS permission in this case) then it has no restriction of use. The copyrighted images You uploaded are unnecesary per nfcc#1. And they should be removed. All toys are derivative works (I never said the contrary) but several have a propper license that allows their use un any project with no need of a fair use tag. That’s why I opened this discussion. Fma12 (talk) 13:26, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Commons have permission from the photographer, who does not have the rights to give away for the underlying work it was derived from. Siawase (talk) 15:12, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

File:Dark Side of the Moon.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Dream out loud (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log). 

Per FFD discussion on the JPEG version (File:The Dark Side Of The Moon.jpg), the PNG version should not require a non-free rationale but rather should have previous revisions undeleted. The closing admin of that previous discussion thought otherwise (discussion). Didn’t feel like re-nominating the PNG version… the third time. Before the JPEG version was taken to FFD, the previous FFD discussions ended with “no consensus”, defaulting to “non-free”. George Ho (talk) 19:11, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]