User talk:Skywolves: Difference between revisions

Hello Skywolves. Please see WP:GS/AA – topics related to Armenia and Azerbaijan are under an extended confirmed restriction. You are not allowed to edit these topics as you’re not an extended confirmed user. Another important part of WP:GS/AA: “Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the “Talk:” namespace to post constructive comments and make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive. Should disruption occur on “Talk:” pages, administrators may take enforcement actions described in “B” or “C” below”.

Please also see WP:FORUM, WP:SOAPBOX, WP:NPA and WP:ASPERSIONS. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:00, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Skywolves (talk) 17:43, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to clarify that I am neither Azerbaijani nor Armenian. Moreover, I have never made any edits or comments related to Armenians, Azerbaijanis, or any topics associated with either group. To my knowledge, none of my contributions fall within the scope of the Armenia–Azerbaijan topic area mentioned.

Therefore, I am unsure why this warning was addressed to me? Skywolves (talk) 17:59, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was addressed to you since you violated WP:GSAA (amongst other policies). The Safavids controlled Armenia and what corresponds to Azerbaijan directly for two centuries and spoke Azeri amongst their languages. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:04, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Could you list the other policies that you claim were violated?

2.

Which of my edits allegedly violated these policies? You suddenly appeared and said that I was violating them, but I don’t even know what exactly I supposedly did wrong.

3.

You are telling me that I violated GSAA because of issues related to Armenia and Azerbaijan. I am telling you that I did not make any edits related to tensions between those two states. Are you saying that I violated “WP:GSAA” simply because the Safavids ruled Armenians and Azerbaijanis, and therefore any edit concerning the Safavids falls under GSAA? Skywolves (talk) 19:22, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1. Besides WP:GSAA, the policies that you violated were; WP:BATTLEGROUND, WP:FORUM, WP:SOAPBOX, WP:NPA/WP:ASPERSIONS

2. You violated them here [1]

3. The topics are not only restricted to Armenia and Azerbaijan as states. The Safavids controlled Armenia and what corresponds to the Republic of Azerbaijan directly for two centuries and spoke Azeri amongst their languages. So yes, that means you violated it. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:39, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reject your allegations and demand their retraction for the following reasons:

1. The WP:GSAA Violation Claim is Invalid: The “Safavid Empire” or “Safavid dynasty” is not a topic listed under the WP:GSAA page-level sanctions. These sanctions apply explicitly to the pages specified on the list. Safavid history is a subject with a much broader scope than the modern Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict. Your attempt to unilaterally extend this sanction to a page not on the list based on your own arbitrary interpretation is unacceptable and constitutes a misapplication of the policy’s clear terms.
2. Your Warning is Unfounded: Your warning, which links my contributions on a non-listed topic to the Azerbaijan-Armenia dispute, is entirely erroneous and without basis. Discussions on the “Safavids” talk page concerning the dynasty’s ethnic and linguistic composition, by the nature of the topic, cannot be automatically framed within the context of a modern political conflict.
3. Demand for Clarification: I demand immediate clarification on this matter. You must specify precisely where the “Safavid Empire” page is explicitly enumerated in the official WP:GSAA page-level restrictions list. If you cannot provide this citation, you must acknowledge that your WP:GSAA violation claim is invalid and retract your warning.
4. Furthermore, you specifically referenced the talk page I started as the location of the violations. I must explicitly state that in that discussion, I never targeted you personally, made any remarks about you, or engaged in any form of personal argumentation. Regarding your other alleged policy violations (WP:BATTLEGROUND, WP:FORUM, etc.), I also demand that you provide a detailed explanation. You must quote my specific contributions from the talk page and demonstrate point-by-point how they violate these policies. Vague and unsubstantiated accusations will not be accepted.The WP:GSAA Violation Claim is Invalid:

Skywolves (talk) 15:49, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reject them as you much as you want. I’ll just report you if you continue to violate them. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:58, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, did you use AI to write that…? HistoryofIran (talk) 18:07, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did you see something written by AI? Don’t engage in unnecessary conversation with me; just respond to the accusations you’re making against me. I’m writing it down point by point so that everything is recorded so I can present the accusations as evidence. Skywolves (talk) 18:13, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I’m reaching out to you here having seen your comment at GS/AA. I would recommend reading WP:ECREXPLAIN, which lays out how to best navigate topics like AA which are restricted for new editors. Long story short, the history of the Safavid empire and other states that controlled parts of the Caucasus is a gray area for the topic, and you are advised to stay away from gray areas.

Separately from the question of whether you are allowed to discuss Safavid topics, etc at all, comments like this one are clearly WP:ASPERSIONS, which are not allowed. You are expected to assume good faith of other editors until demonstrably proven otherwise, and if making any accusations about others’ behavior you will be expected to provide clear examples of their edits supporting your assertions. Continuing this pattern of hostility will result in a loss of editing privileges. I would strongly recommend avoiding potentially controversial topics until you are a more experienced editor and thoroughly understand how to navigate disputes on Wikipedia: there are a lot of norms here that are not necessarily intuitive, and if you rush ahead without heeding more experienced editors’ advice you are likely to find yourself blocked. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:02, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Rosguill, thank you very much for your suggestions and the valuable information you have given me. I have read [WP:ASPERSIO]. From now on, I will stay away from such grey areas until I become a more experienced contributor, as per your guidance. I am new to Wikipedia and I have made some edits, and in response to some of them I received the reply “[WP:GS/AA]”. However, I couldn’t make the connection or understand what it meant, and I didn’t know where to ask about it. Skywolves (talk) 19:31, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosguill: Hello again. Unfortunately, this did not last long. Skywolves is now removing sourced information at Seljuk Empire [2] [3], who controlled the Caucasus and played a very early but important role in the ethnogenesis of the Azerbaijanis (mentioned at the start of the sourced text here Azerbaijani national identity). HistoryofIran (talk) 00:46, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My edit was reverted despite correcting an unsourced claim. The previous version contained the term “Turco-Persian” without any citation to support it. I replaced this with properly sourced information. I do not understand the justification for rolling back a correction that adds necessary citations. You cannot mislead people by presenting an uncited statement as factual information.

Furthermore, the Seljuk Empire is historically too ancient to be directly linked to modern Armenian-Azerbaijani issues. The historical states established by Azerbaijani Turks such as the Seljuk, Safavid, Afsharid, and Qajar empires have no relevant connection to the complexities of modern Armenia. The categorization of these Azerbaijani historical states under “WP:GSAA” remains a contentious issue. Please stop tagging me under this guideline. I made a change that replaced unsourced information with sourced material, and my edit should not have been reverted by you. some people adding Turco-Persian culture to all the states founded by Azerbaijani Turks, with a pan-Iranian approach, without any sources! this is vandalisim. Turkish-Islamic culture is mentioned in the literature for seljuk empire and I added it there!, you cannot mislead them! if you add this turco-persian tag there you should add citiation. Skywolves (talk) 10:25, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You removed clearly sourced information in a WP:GSAA article because you didn’t like the word “Persian”, and was reverted by another user, not me. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:31, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stop lying, stop misleading people. You always make false accusations. You stand over people and try to ban them on irrelevant issues. you tells me that the expression “turco-persian” sourced so from where is the source? There was no source there, this statement was written without any source.

I have nothing to do with the word Persian. If something is written incorrectly, it should be removed. this is a controversial issue. I stated that it is a “Turkic-Islamic” culture with its sources and its quotes in the books, I removed the “Turco-Persian” which was written without any source and you are telling me that it is sourced. There were no resources.

When the Turks took control of persians, they mixed to Islamic culture and many expressions were associated with Islam. How come the Seljuks became a Turko-Persian culture when the Persians only influenced the Seljuks bureaucratically and linguistically? While Islamic culture predominates, it is not right to distort history and add Persian to every state established in Iran. Skywolves (talk) 12:28, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The references 17 and 18 at the end of the sentence are its sources, which form like +10 sources. The only one lying is you. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:32, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing the diffs highlighted here, I think that the specific text in question is removed enough from Armenia and Azerbaijan that I don’t think it’s a GS/AA violation (while recognizing that other content at Seljuk Empire is, and that the topic is thin ice for non-XC editors). That having been said, it does look like other editors have taken issue with the veracity of Skywolves’s edits, and the claim that the Seljuk Empire was highly Persianized appears at a glance to be well-supported by several cited high-quality academic sources, as has been discussed in the past on Talk:Seljuk Empire. So, Skywolves’s edits aren’t a clear violation of GS/AA, but they do appear to be poorly substantiated, and if continued in this fashion (i.e. without engaging with the existing sources and past discussions) will likely result in the community calling for sanctions. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:38, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Historyofiran, I’m planning on make a few edit soon. For example, Ottomans sent aid to Ireland – Great Famine (Ireland), so You can report me in the “WP:GS/AA” section because the Ottomans sent some aid there and ottomans ancestors were Seljuk Turks and it’s related to Azerbaijan- armenian conflict. Yuri Gagarin was the first human in space and a Soviet citizen, and as you know, Azerbaijan was a Soviet Union country, and the Seljuks were the ancestors of Azerbaijanis, so you can report me in the “WP:GS/AA” section. My hometown is “Sivas.” I’ll make an edit to that, but this section is related to the Seljuks and the Seljuks are the ancestors of Azerbaijani Turks, so you can report me in the “WP:GS/AA” section again. Please keep me on your watchlist, I believe that you gonna “Persianize” wikipedia someday and you may able to report everyone because of polcy “WP:GS/AA” because persians live under seljuk rule for 400 year and this must be relate to armenian-azerbaijan confilct. best regards, Skywolves (talk) 16:21, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You were already told to stop WP:NPA/WP:ASPERSIONS. Violate that or any other policy again, and I will indeed report you since you desire that so much. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:46, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that’s clearly a personal attack. Further personal attacks will be met with blocks. You need to focus on concrete edits and comments, not vague accusations of ulterior motives. I would strongly recommend, for your own benefit, to stick to topics that you don’t feel quite so strongly about until you have a better understanding of Wikipedia’s discursive norms. Otherwise, you’ll find yourself running straight into walls. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:52, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your understanding Rosguill. What if I bring evidence to support my accusations?, will you withdraw the warning? Or can you help me how can I report this user, can you help me where I should report him? sorry but I am gonna fight for justice no matter what punishment I receive.

This user is using the “WP:GS/AA” policy, which stems from the confusion between Azerbaijan and Armenia in any thing in Azerbaijani, Armenian or Turkic history (even thousands of years old azerbaijan/armenia or Turkic histories), to revert new users’ changes and scare them with warnings! (new users think he is the admin and they are afraid. When he first warned me, I thought he was the admin.) Many users are provoked and receive unfair penalties! This hinders the growth of our free encyclopedia and violates the following policies: WP:BOLD – WP:AFG – WP:COMPLETE –

First, I give an example from an external source(reddit), Armenian Wikipedia users complain about him:

https://www.reddit.com/r/armenia/comments/gci5js/nationalist_iranian_users_trying_to_erase/

Here he threatens a user for violating the “WP:GS/AA” policy on an edit made to a singer named Gogosh (by copying and pasting with the same text) WP:BOLD – WP:AFG – WP:COMPLETE – : User talk:Somonis#c-HistoryofIran-20250619142700-HistoryofIran-20250617164900

Below, the he provokes new user into dropping the trap:

Talk:Origin of the Kurds#c-Acaunto-20230424233900-HistoryofIran-20230424233300

An edit made about ottoman-persian, who copied and pasted the same warning he wrote to me here to another user, warns about “WP:GS/AA” and provokes people.

User talk:Cultureboss#c-HistoryofIran-20251031134300-WP:GS/AA

same user banned….

User talk:Cultureboss#c-HistoryofIran-20251121162900-November 2025

An edit made regarding the Qajars frightened the user by giving a “WP:GS/AA” warning: WP:BOLD – WP:AFG – WP:COMPLETE

User talk:~2025-33493-67#c-HistoryofIran-20251114132700-WP:GS/AA

Violation of (WP:BOLD – WP:AFG – WP:COMPLETE) policies by reversing an edit made regarding the Turco-Persian war and scaring the new user with “WP:GS/AA”

User talk:Depthdiverzr#c-HistoryofIran-20251109194600-WP:GS/AA

He removes the comment of a new user on the topic “Safevid order” and complains that “WP:GS/AA” is banned due to the Armenian-Azerbaijani confusion and may be penalized.

User talk:Some random duda#c-HistoryofIran-20250429194700-WP:GS/AA

In the Turco-Persian article, he warns about the editing and “WP:GS/AA” warns the user due to the Armenian-Azerbaijani confusion, and then the user gets banned further.

User talk:WikipedianScientist#c-HistoryofIran-20250430175500-WP:GS/AA

It warns the user by undoing an edit made to the Ottoman-Persian War and says “WP:GS/AA” is due to Armenian-Azerbaijani confusion.

User talk:Al Jazira Front#c-HistoryofIran-20251118173900-WP:GS/AA

Reversing an edit made to a title about the Battle of Tashkent and “WP:GS/AA” due to Armenian-Azerbaijani confusion

User talk:Theazerbaijanisafavist24#c-HistoryofIran-20250623182500-WP:GS/AA

It violates the “WP:BOLD – WP:AFG – WP:COMPLETE” policies by scare new users with “WP:GS/AA” even in irrelevant articles about ermanian/azerbaijan conflict in the links below. Now I will just add the link…

User talk:Amazonium#c-Amazonium-20251110082100-HistoryofIran-20251110082000

User talk:Czulfiyev000012#c-HistoryofIran-20250603200200-June 2025

User talk:Əbu Eldəniz Urşanlı#c-HistoryofIran-20250327185500-HistoryofIran-20250126192000

User talk:AzerbaijaniPatriotT#c-HistoryofIran-20250314190000-March 2025

User talk:Czulfiyev000012#c-HistoryofIran-20250603200200-June 2025 Skywolves (talk) 19:51, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The appropriate place to file a report is at WP:ANI. However, looking through the diffs you’ve linked here, none of them look out of line. They are neutral notices giving awareness of the contentious topic designation, and insofar as I was able to verify the examples given, these editors do appear to have directly discussed the history and geography of Azerbaijan, which is sufficient reason to give a GS/AA notice and/or remove their contributions. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:35, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is now the third time I’ve now reverted info added by you that wasn’t supported by the citations [4]. Please take a moment to read WP:SYNTH, WP:OR, WP:VER, WP:PST and WP:CITE. Keeping to add more and more random citations indicates that the info was never based on sources to begin with. Please refrain from adding it again. If you have concerns, please use the talk page Talk:Perso-Turkic war of 627–629. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:58, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Heyyy, I appreciate your continued engagement, but I must highlight that your reverts continue to violate multiple Wikipedia policies, undermining collaborative editing. This is now the fourth revert of my sourced additions without prior discussion on the talk page, directly contravening WP:BRD (Bold, Revert, Discuss), which emphasizes discussion after a revert to build consensus rather than repeated undoing. Furthermore, by dismissing well-cited material outright and insisting on removal without compromise, you’re exhibiting WP:OWN behavior, treating the article as if you have sole authority over its content. (My trusted cites were Movses 81, Pourshriati, 2008, Kaegei, 2003)

In your edit summaries, you repeatedly invoke WP:SYNTH (except your last revision [5][6]) (no original research via synthesis) but fail to provide specifics e.g., which exact claims in my text don’t align with the sources, or how they’re being improperly combined. Per WP:EXPLAIN and WP:ES (edit summary guidelines), reverts should include detailed explanations to allow for productive responses; vague policy citations without examples hinder collaboration and violate the spirit of WP:AGF (assume good faith). For instance, you claim my additions involve SYNTH, yet the text directly paraphrases sources like Pourshariati (2008), which explicitly states: “It was Khusraw II’s (590–628) disastrous effort to centralize the state that led to its collapse and to the Arab Conquests.” This ties Khosrow II’s policies including his failed wars (encompassing the Perso-Turkic conflict as part of the broader Byzantine–Sasanian War) to the empire’s downfall, without any novel synthesis on my part. If you disagree, quote the mismatched parts here for discussion.

You also cite WP:VER (verifiability) against one of my sources, Holmes (2022) from TheCollector, calling it an “internet source” and implying it’s unreliable(I gave this reference to provide a better basis for your reversions. It is already written in previous wars on the subject that the war was lost and had bad consequences for the Sassanids.). However, this misapplies WP:RS (reliable sources guidelines): TheCollector is an editorially vetted online publication focused on history and art, with content reviewed by scholars (as per their about page), making it a secondary source suitable for historical context under WP:VER. It’s not a self-published blog or user-generated content; similar outlets are often accepted on Wikipedia for non-controversial facts, especially when corroborated by academic works like Movses 81, Pourshriati, 2008, Kaegei, 2003. Dismissing it without evidence or consensus violates WP:RSN (Reliable Sources Noticeboard) best practices  if you believe it’s unreliable, propose it there instead of unilateral removal. WP:VER requires that information be verifiable, not that sources be print-only; online academic or journalistic sources are standard.

Additionally, your reverts ignore WP:PST (primary, secondary, tertiary sources) by claiming a “badly cited primary source,” but my citations (e.g., Movses 81, Pourshriati, 2008, Kaegei, 2003)[7] are secondary analyses drawing from primaries like Nikephoros, properly contextualized without original interpretation fully compliant with WP:OR. Accusing me of adding “random citations” further breaches WP:AGF, as these are directly relevant: Holmes details the war’s economic/military devastation leading to civil war; Kaegi covers the coup specifics; all align with the article’s scope.

While reverting, please make sure that the reverts you make are a little more detailed and explained for other users. When reverting, detailed explanation in the edit summary is not required but encouraged. If blanket reverting is done, it is necessary to explain “why am I deleting it all” (e.g. “second paragraph is SYNTH, sources are incompatible”). Vague (indeterminate) reverts damage WP:AGF. Skywolves (talk) 11:06, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve had enough of you and your every attempt to bend Wiki policies (WP:GAMING), not to mention your several anti-Iranian remarks. You’re also using AI again to write your comments. I’m reporting you. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:27, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]