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I propose that the current FIFA Club World Cup article be merged into FIFA Intercontinental Cup, and that a new article be created for the FIFA Club World Cup (2025–present) (the expanded 32‑team tournament).

Rationale

• The FIFA Intercontinental Cup is the **direct continuity of the old FIFA Club World Cup (2000–2023)**, serving as the annual competition between continental champions. FIFA itself describes the Intercontinental Cup as the successor to the old Club World Cup, following the expansion of the latter into a quadrennial event.
• The FIFA Club World Cup 2025 is explicitly described by FIFA as a **new competition**, with a new format, new trophy, and inaugural edition in 2025. It is not a continuation of the previous annual Club World Cup, but rather a distinct tournament held every four years.
• Maintaining separate articles will avoid confusion:

– The Intercontinental Cup article should cover the continuity of the annual world club champion competition.
– A new article should be created for the expanded FIFA Club World Cup 2025 and subsequent editions, reflecting its distinct identity and format.

Supporting sources

• FIFA official site: FIFA Club World Cup 2025™ – confirms this is a new competition with a new format and inaugural edition.
• FIFA official site: FIFA Intercontinental Cup 2025™ – describes the Intercontinental Cup as the ongoing annual competition between continental champions.
• Independent coverage: Sporting News – confirms the 2025 Club World Cup is a new, expanded competition.
• Media sources: Olympics.com – notes the revamped Club World Cup is a new quadrennial tournament.

Conclusion

To reflect FIFA’s own framing and avoid duplication:

• Merge the existing FIFA Club World Cup article into FIFA Intercontinental Cup.
• Create a new article for the FIFA Club World Cup (2025–present) to cover the quadrennial expanded tournament.

This was already lenghly discussed many times, both here and especially at the 2025 edition talk page, and there is no clear indecisive consensus regarding this, so we are maintaining status quo. You just selectively provided sources that calls it a new competition (including primary FIFA sources), but there are also many sources calling it a continuation of the old tournament, with Chelsea winning it for the 2nd time and not 1st etc. Snowflake91 (talk) 18:00, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This source by FIFA explicitly states that the old CWC was renamed as Intercontinental Cup with all statistics carrying over and that the 32-team CWC is a new competition https://www.fifa.com/en/tournaments/mens/intercontinentalcup/2025/articles/intercontinental-cup-2025-everything-you-need-to-know. Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 12:58, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

“Since it was first launched – as the FIFA Club World Championship in 2000 – the FIFA Intercontinental Cup has evolved to become the premier annual tournament in global club football.” yeah you are right. KyleRGiggs (talk) 08:52, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When you are talking about many sources, I wonder if they are reliable sources. Come on, it is already beyond reliable sources. The status of the tournament should be defined by the organisers, not media. Plenty of sources called it a continuation of the old tournament, but does FIFA accept it? When FIFA says the FIFA Club World Cup is the inaugural tournament, the latest source from the recently FIFA Best Player announcement regarding Dembele, the old annual tournament is no longer a part of the quadrennial one. I don’t think merging into FIFA Intercontinental Cup is a good decision, as there is too much bias. However, I strongly agree move the old annual FIFA Club World Cup to “FIFA Club World Cup (2000–25)” and creating a new article as “FIFA Club World Cup“, which we do the same treatment to the Wembley Stadium article. If you are talking about the edition article pages, I will accept the next version to the FIFA Club World Cup 2023 could be FIFA Intercontinental Cup 2024 and FIFA Club World Cup 2025. But if you are talking about the nature of the tournament article, I will strongly agree to separate the article. KyleRGiggs (talk) 08:49, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is probably the best way forward. Footballnerd2007 • talk ⚽ 16:18, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that creating a new article of the quadrennial FIFA Club World Cup(2025-) is at least the first step we should take. While some media still views the quadrennial tournament the same as the annual one, the two are so much different in format, frequency, number and qualification method of participating teams, trophy, prize money, and pretty much every thing just except for the name. I understand why this takes time because of the many secondary sources that do not distinguish the old and new mainly because of their names, but there never could be a unanimous consensus on all the media out there, and this is where the primary source should be considered as the most reliable one. Hazard1717 (talk) 16:34, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

literally just Snowflake shooting people down every time this proposal comes up. We need to change this and have a new article and treat the new Club World Cup format as a new competition with Chelsea the first winner. It’s ridiculous it’s taken this long. Why is the Intercontinental Cup worded the new one when everyone is in agreement that is the yearly continuation of the old CWC. ~2025-41246-42 (talk) 20:26, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

literally over 25 people participated at the Talk:2025 FIFA Club World Cup and there were no clear unanimous consensus, so no we won’t change anything overnight just because you don’t like it, even the FIFA claims that 2025 is the 2nd edition of the Intercontinental Cup. Snowflake91 (talk) 20:51, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

just give it a rest, it’s time to change it. ~2025-41358-17 (talk) 23:17, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is too much bias there. I am not yet to agree merging the old format to the FIFA Intercontinental Cup. However I think there is a need to separate the old history out of the new format. In FIFA point of view, they are just the same name, and, 2025 is just talking about which version is it, that is no relevance in separating the article. KyleRGiggs (talk) 11:13, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

and as long as you say no, there will never be a consensus. so you say what happens and all others cant do anything Future-Trunks (talk) 11:43, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To ensure clarity for the reader and maintain historical accuracy, it is important to consider how FIFA itself distinguishes the annual formats. A key piece of evidence is found on FIFA’s official page for the FIFA Intercontinental Cup, which refers to the 2025 event as the “second edition” of the new-look tournament.[1]

This official restart of the edition count suggests that the annual competition is being treated as a new historical lineage. If it were a direct continuation of the previous annual format (2000–2023), the 2025 edition would logically be labeled as the 22nd, rather than the second of new-look (new era).[2]

Furthermore, the distinction in the official status of the titles is clearly demonstrated by the FIFA Champions Badges. Until 2023, the annual FIFA Club World Cup format was the only global club competition in effect. With the official announcement of the details of the new quadrennial FIFA Club World Cup (FIFA’s new prime club competition)[3], the annual tournament became a secondary competition. After that:

Manchester City (2023 winners) were awarded the “FIFA World Champions 2023” badge.

Real Madrid (2024 winners) are awarded the “FIFA Intercontinental Champions 2024” badge.

Both badges were used simultaneously by Manchester City and Real Madrid, although they are the badges of the same competition. If the FIFA Intercontinental Cup format were the same historical lineage as the old annual format like the FIFA Club World Cup, Manchester City should have stopped displaying the “FIFA World Champions 2023” badge after Real Madrid won the following edition in 2024, which did not happen.

Additionally, the new format introduces a unique structure with its own independent trophies (such as the African-Asian-Pacific Cup, the Derby of the Americas, and the Challenger Cup), which further differentiates it from the 2000–2023 annual format.

For these reasons, a literal merge could lead to anachronisms and confuse the reader regarding the evolution of these tournaments. To preserve the distinct formats, it is more appropriate to separate articles:

Rename current FIFA Club World Cup to FIFA Club World Cup (2000–2023) or FIFA Club World Cup (former) or FIFA Club World Cup (formerly format): Covering the defunct annual format. ==>[4][5]

Keep FIFA Intercontinental Cup (2024–present): Dedicated to new annual format.

Create new FIFA Club World Cup (2025–present): Dedicated to the new quadrennial prime club competition. Natan96-wiki (talk) 01:48, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There cannot be 3 different articles. If we create a new article for the 2025–present World Cup, then the Intercontinental Cup and the current World Cup article needs to be merged, so in any case there would be only 2 articles. If we make big changes like that, then it needs to be done fully, not just partially – i.e., if FIFA counts 2025 World Cup as a new competition, then we need to also treat the Intercontinental Cup as the direct continuation of the old World Cup. Snowflake91 (talk) 10:57, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, Wembley Stadium, I said before. The dilemmas led the situation to three articles.

1. FIFA does not recognise the old format as the predecessor of the current quadrennial format, the base we should not neglect.
2. FIFA considered the old format as the predecessor of FIFA Intercontinental Cup.
3. There is a lot of major dispute between the old FIFA Club World Cup and the new FIFA Club World Cup.
4. The inheritance of the old FIFA Club World Cup to the FIFA Intercontinental Cup is just a minor dispute.
5. The major dispute made the article not split.

So we should back to the base, should we split the article? You yet not replied.KyleRGiggs (talk) 14:17, 21 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]