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Karen’s TCR has been released, and it says that it went from October 9 to October 10. [[User:Ajs757|Ajs757]] ([[User talk:Ajs757|talk]]) 23:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:[https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/data/tcr/AL112025_Karen.pdf Source] [[Special:Contributions/~2025-38584-93|~2025-38584-93]] ([[User talk:~2025-38584-93|talk]]) 00:39, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Pppery|Pppery]] Can update this TCR because the best track came out yesterday. [[User:MAS0802|MAS0802]] 07:24, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

*If not done by an administrator before, an editor will update the article when it is unlocked in a few days. Cheers. [[User:Drdpw|Drdpw]] ([[User talk:Drdpw|talk]]) 12:40, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Section sizes

Section size for 2025 Atlantic hurricane season (29 sections)
Section name	Byte count		Prose size (words)
Section name	Header	Total	Header	Total
(Top)	4,563	4,563	399	399
Seasonal forecasts	10,111	15,169	197	686
Pre-season forecasts	3,795	3,795	340	340
Mid-season forecasts	1,263	1,263	149	149
Seasonal summary	2,723	18,219	0	694
Background	2,246	2,246	115	115
Early activity	4,635	4,635	192	192
Peak season activity	6,456	6,456	281	281
Late season activity	2,159	2,159	106	106
Systems	12	89,496	0	3,673
Tropical Storm Andrea	1,742	1,742	93	93
Tropical Storm Barry	7,311	7,311	290	290
Tropical Storm Chantal	9,458	9,458	373	373
Tropical Storm Dexter	3,110	3,110	196	196
Hurricane Erin	12,224	12,224	533	533
Tropical Storm Fernand	5,121	5,121	234	234
Hurricane Gabrielle	10,926	10,926	407	407
Hurricane Humberto	7,851	7,851	309	309
Hurricane Imelda	7,753	7,753	294	294
Tropical Storm Jerry	7,091	7,091	237	237
Subtropical Storm Karen	2,433	2,433	88	88
Tropical Storm Lorenzo	3,423	3,423	151	151
Hurricane Melissa	11,041	11,041	468	468
Storm names	1,581	1,581	64	64
Season effects	5,338	5,338	79	79
See also	674	674	0	0
Notes	34	34	0	0
References	30	30	0	0
External links	370	370	0	0
Total	135,474	135,474	5,595	5,595

Frequently asked questions

Q1: Why doesn’t Humberto have an article while weaker storms do?

A1: Despite it attaining Category 5 status and having some minor impacts, those details can be succinctly summarized in the season’s article. Note that strength does not determine notability.

Q2: Why does the lead not say that they season was below- or above-average?

A2: As of early December 2025, the lead is in flux due to the fact that the season has recently ended. However, there is general consensus that labeling the season as below- or above-average is misrepresentive. Most of the data points, like the number of named storms and ACE, are within 10% of the climatological average or are contradictory.

Can I change Karen’s duration on its section to just October 10 instead of October 10-October 10? It doesn’t feel right to me. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 00:47, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you think that edit is best, then be bold and go ahead. I think it’s a good idea. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:50, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lately I have noticed that every storm in this season has a path image, but not a track image. Is there a reason why? Ajs757 (talk) 02:21, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ajs757: Path is for the new colors debated in 2023. Track is for the old colors on the map that need to be replaced. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 02:47, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Thanks! Ajs757 (talk) 03:20, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A recent AN/I thread had consensus to convey the following general warning.

The hard work of WikiProjects Weather and WikiProject Tropical Cyclones in covering weather phenomena is acknowledged and appreciated. However, their members are collectively reminded:

— Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 20:02, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’m cross-posting this from the project talk page to make sure it gets more eyes. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:29, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I want to talk about a summary for when the season ends, assuming no more storms form. For me, I could state the season as slightly below average, yet it had hurricane Melissa, which was one of the strongest hurricanes on record and the worst in Jamaica. Put your thoughts below! Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 13:32, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming no additional storms, perhaps something like for the opening sentences: The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season was a below average Atlantic hurricane season in terms of named the storms and hurricanes overall, and above average in terms of major hurricanes. Also, the season ended with an above-normal accumulated cyclone energy (ACE) rating of 132.9 units. Drdpw (talk) 14:31, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think that focuses too much on the number of named storms. It seems that season is most going to be remembered for Melissa, and the part that the season having 3 Cat 5 hurricanes. So maybe something like the following?

“The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season featured three Category 5 hurricanes, the highest rank on the Saffir-Simpson scale, behind only the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. Among these were Hurricane Melissa, which…”

…and then go into Melissa’s records. Unless there’s an off-season storm, then the seasonal dates aren’t interesting enough to be in the first paragraph. 12george1 (talk · contribs) might have some input on the lead since he’s brought a ton of these season articles to good article status. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:47, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We can also add it broke the streak of very active or destructive seasons that began in 2016. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 20:17, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here’s mine: The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season was a below average season in terms of named storms and hurricanes, breaking the streak of active and/or destructive seasons that began in 2016. Even so, it had 3 Category 5 hurricanes, the second most on record, and also ended with an above-average ACE. It also featured Hurricane Melissa, one of the most destructive hurricanes in the Caribbean, and the costliest in Jamaican history. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 20:22, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My problem with below average is that it diminishes the importance of the storms this season. The opening sentence should give an overall picture, and I don’t think I give an accurate picture by calling the season below average. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 20:24, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you like this

The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season had 3 Category 5 hurricanes, the second most on record, only below the 2005 season. Among these was Hurricane Melissa,(all of Melissa’s records here). It also had an above average ACE, despite a below-average number of named storms and hurricanes. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 20:42, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is better, only spell out “three”. Also, you need to mention the Saffir-Simpson scale. That’s why I went with my wording. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:45, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season was an above average season in terms of major hurricanes and ACE, but below average in named storms. Despite the slightly below average number of named storms, three Category 5 hurricanes formed, the second most for any season, just behind 2005. One of those was Hurricane Melissa, which had the third-lowest pressure in any Atlantic hurricane, had the second-highest wind speed, and was also the costliest ever in Jamaica. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 20:56, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot one line: The season also had no hurricanes landfall in the US, the first since 2015. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 20:57, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That detail can be noted later in the lead, where land falling systems will be mentioned. Drdpw (talk) 22:15, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do think it’s important to note the 2025 season was also below average in terms of hurricanes, even with it being above average with major hurricanes AutisticLoser (talk) 01:38, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I now see that Hink had mentioned the below average hurricanes but Jiiiiiiiii left that out by mistake. Prob should add that back in. AutisticLoser (talk) 01:39, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Make one that includes: below average in named storms and hurricanes, above average in major hurricanes and ace, had second most category 5s, include Melissa records, and also no US hurricane landfalls, first since 2015. That is the prompt. Use it for a summary. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 15:24, 16 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello please answer the prompt above Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 21:40, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think the above-average part was good enough. But this was quality over quantity and yet 2025 was characterized above-average by the NHC. HurricaneImelda2025 (talk) 02:49, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We aren’t AI, we can’t just automatically do a prompt 😛 Also, I don’t believe the first few sentences should even mention it being below-average, due to the three Category 5 hurricanes. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:05, 17 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay but we need to start finalizing because the season ends shortly! We can do this easily because no storms will likely form, so we need to finalize. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 02:41, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

just take a deep breath. We have 2 weeks, and even if it’s unlikely a storm forms, probably best to wait until the season is actually over to really worry about this, as something could still spin up unexpectedly. We have a good template for now so no need to worry so much about it for now. AutisticLoser (talk) 02:47, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay then, let’s get this progress a lot near the end. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 02:48, 18 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Building upon the above conversation, I’ve come up with:

2025 Atlantic hurricane season saw bursts of intense tropical cyclone activity over exceptionally warm waters between long and quiet stretches with no tropical activity. It featured three Category 5 hurricanes, the highest rank on the Saffir-Simpson scale, behind only the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. Due in large part to these systems, the season ended with an above-normal accumulated cyclone energy (ACE) rating of 132.5 units. Among these was Hurricane Melissa, the strongest tropical cyclone of 2025 globally, among the most intense Atlantic hurricanes on record in terms of both lowest barometric pressure and one-minute sustained wind speeds, as well as the strongest tropical cyclone to make landfall in Jamaica on record.

The season officially began on June 1, and ended on November 30. These dates, adopted by convention, historically describe the period in each year when most subtropical or tropical cyclogenesis occurs in the Atlantic Ocean. Overall, 13 named storms formed; 5 of those became hurricanes, of which 4 strengthened into major hurricanes (Category three or higher on the Saffir–Simpson scale). The first system, Tropical Storm Andrea, formed on June 23, marking the latest start to an Atlantic season since 2014. The last system, Hurricane Melissa, dissipated on October 31.

It calls attention to how the season is most going to be remembered, and relegates the more mundane information to the second paragraph. Drdpw (talk) 23:11, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I dig it, and feel free to add the “below-normal” activity stuff to the second paragraph. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:14, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When I initially published the above opening paragraph, modified because the season was/is still ongoing, it was reverted for violating “MOS:LEAD; the first sentence must say *what* the article is about. Based on that statement, what should the post-season opening sentence say? For example: “The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season was a near-normal Atlantic hurricane season” or “The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season was a hurricane season marked by sharp contrasts” or something else? Drdpw (talk) 22:20, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I hate anytime an article has two mentions of “Atlantic hurricane season” in the same opening sentence. I don’t think the concept of an Atlantic hurricane season has to be defined in the first sentence, but what is more useful is showing what made the season unique, also while wikilinking tropical cyclones somewhere. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 22:30, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One thing that I would like to add is that I do not think that this season should be termed as above average or below average. I remember that in 2022, there was an attempt to have the season labeled as below average because it was one number off. I feel like this hurricane season is well within average, maybe besides in the number of hurricanes, but that is one figure across four that I know of. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 22:08, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

tbh I think it’s slightly above average, ACE is considered “above normal” from what I know (I’m guessing they use above normal instead of above average cause a few seasons and/or stretches of seasons in giga-El Ninos drastically raise the average ACE), and 20 named storms is certainly above average, as is 11 hurricanes. The last season with as many or more in either category was 2018 for reference, although the MH were low AutisticYapper (talk) 22:34, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

nvm, I for some reason thought this was in a similar discussion on the EPAC season page. Scratch what I just said, and confirmation I need sleep AutisticYapper (talk) 22:34, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What’s wrong with previous intro sentence with the bursts of activity? I think the “no hurricane landfall since 2015” is too US-centric. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That was reverted by another editor; and I agree that the distinction is not of opening sentence importance. Drdpw (talk) 20:41, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It needs to define what the entity is. Which of the following makes more sense to the uninformed reader?

A diffeomorphism is used to create a map projection
In mathematics, a diffeomorphism is an isomorphism of differentiable manifolds. It is an invertible function that maps one differentiable manifold to another such that both the function and its inverse are continuously differentiable.

Distinctions are not definitions for uninformed readers. Jasper Deng (talk) 20:44, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just to check, are there any objections to the current wording? I believe it describes what things are, tropical cyclones in the Atlantic. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:49, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I still have a preference for separate sentences but don’t feel nearly as strongly about it. Jasper Deng (talk) 20:53, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season, the annual cycle of tropical cyclone formation in the Atlantic basin, saw bursts of intense tropical cyclone development over warmer-than-normal waters between long and quiet stretches with low tropical activity.

@MarioProtIV: could you provide your thoughts here instead of reverting? We’re past the bold/revert part of the cycle. I don’t care if it was the first time in 100 years that the US didn’t have a hurricane landfall. It’s highly insulting to Jamaicans who suffered through a Category 5 hurricane to start out the article with “The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season was the first season since 2015 in which no hurricanes made landfall in the United States.” ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:13, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JayTee32: as well. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 19:10, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Le Hurricane: ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:54, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Drdpw: ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:48, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A general statement before I get pinged for reverting a new person: I do not necessarily care what the lead sentence is, but I believe it should be generally broad, not “technically correct” (mostly in regards to it technically being above- or below- average in any given aspect), and should avoid being technical (I believe I reverted an edit adding ACE to the lead). ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 00:00, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just a notification, I added the above/below-average thing into the FAQ as I believe most experienced editors agree that labeling season as such is misrepresentative and oversimplifies the season. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then mention the three Category 5s first and note Melissa right off the bat. Like “The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season saw three Category 5 hurricanes form, the second-highest amount behind the 2005 season. One of them was Hurricane Melissa, which was both the third-most intense Atlantic hurricane recorded and caused catastrophic damage to the island of Jamaica.” MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 21:17, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That runs into the problem of having to define/linking what a Category 5 is (and mentioning the Saffir-Simpson scale), not to mention the Atlantic Ocean and tropical cyclone. Jasper is right that the opening sentence needs to define what the article is. I believe the current wording accomplishes that best, but if you can do that while also defining the terms I mentioned, I am open to other alternatives. I just don’t think it should start by mentioning US inactvity. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:20, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We can just stick a hatnote next to Category 5 as we have done for when the word major hurricane is mentioned. Easy fix. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 21:28, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How does this sound?:

“The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season saw three Category 5 hurricanes form,^{[nb 1]} the second-highest amount behind the 2005 season. One of them was Hurricane Melissa, which was both the third-most intense Atlantic hurricane recorded, and caused catastrophic impacts to the island of Jamaica. Throughout the annual period in which tropical cyclones form, the season saw bursts of intense tropical cyclone development over warmer-than-normal waters between long and quiet stretches with low tropical activity.

MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 21:48, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@MarioProtIV: I do not see the need. The existing sentence works just fine, and having three Cat 5’s form with two mostly-fish storms among them is not going to suffice to inform the reader what this article is about. I also strongly dislike your persistent attitude of “wasn’t a problem before, can’t be a problem now”. —Jasper Deng (talk) 07:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Characterized Above-average

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This season was quality over quantity, so in a way, this season was above-average. I honestly don’t think near-average would best describe the season. HurricaneImelda2025 (talk) 02:44, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Qulity? What constitutes a quality tropical cyclone? Drdpw (talk) 03:28, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Storms were stronger and the ACE was 132.9 or 133, and ACE is best measured, so therefore 2025 was an above-average season due to the ACE and to point out the major hurricanes. The number or name storms don’t usually count for measurement as in this case. HurricaneImelda2025 (talk) 03:48, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is 9% more than the average season. In comparison, the last two years were 21% and 32% and 2005 was over 100%. The ACE is not enough to describe it as above average, especially considering that we had only 92% of the number of named storms and 71% of the hurricanes (and to balance those latter numbers out 166% of major hurricanes) than usual. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 11:41, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What constitutes a quality tropical cyclone? Well 2025 was an above-average season due to the Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) (around 133), which indicates that the storms were stronger and lasted longer, even if the number of named storms was close to average. Additionally, the high number of major hurricanes (five) and the season’s record-setting nature, which demonstrates the “quality over quantity”. To point out, the ACE is what measures a seasons rank. HurricaneImelda2025 (talk) 03:46, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ACE is one way to measure a season’s rank, but there are many. Is this in regard to the opening of the article? If so, please contribute to the above discussion. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:35, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The ACE is what they use to measure the season’s rank, take 2002 for example, that season had the amount of storms that were average but the ACE was near normal, so that season was a near-average season. So 2025 may have less storms and hurricanes, but the intensity was higher than average and the ACE was above average. Even if it was 9% above average, It’s still above average. Therefore this was above-average. HurricaneImelda2025 (talk) 17:35, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Our descriptive overview of the season is based upon more than ACE alone. Please hear what other editors are saying to you about describing the season in the lead and work with others to build consensus on a solid lead paragraph, rather than against. Thank you. Drdpw (talk) 18:56, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But you guys are going against me. HurricaneImelda2025 (talk) 19:03, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And? See WP:CONSENSUS and WP:OWN. You don’t own this article, and you are currently going against the consensus that we are trying to build. You are citing ACE as a reason for adding why the season was above average, but this whole discussion is about why that is a bad idea. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:06, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@HurricaneImelda2025 So your point is that 1% above average is above average. 🥏FrizzBTalk🥏 19:20, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2002 is actually a good archetype of what anomalies can be expected during a near-normal season like slightly off counts and a relatively low ACE, 55% of the 1991 to 2020 average (which is slightly higher than what the average in 2002 was). For 2002, I could see an argument based on 1991 to 2020 numbers that it should be considered below-average, though. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 20:31, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For what it’s worth, I think the current lead sentence is terrible:

“The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season was a season which saw bursts of intense tropical cyclone development over warmer-than-normal waters between long and quiet stretches with low tropical activity.”

First off, nearly every tropical cyclone season article leads off with a sentence to the effect of how active it was and how many storms formed–which is, more than likely, what the average reader wants to know when they open up an article about a particular season. Second, immediately delving into how it saw “bursts of intense development” then swung to “long and quiet” stretches makes the sentence clunky and doesn’t differentiate this season from others; nearly every other season this decade has seen big gaps in activity early on before the season heats up, then another gap, then a second burst of activity (I.e. 2021, 2022, 2024). This season pretty much followed that trend. Third and finally, why do we need to have this long of a discussion over one sentence? We have a traditional way of structuring leads and it works perfectly fine while staying concise and informative. Jay Tee⛈️ 23:50, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some seasons have more unorthodox openings like 2015 Atlantic hurricane season, but we could always go with the blunt “The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season was a near-normal Atlantic hurricane season.” ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 23:57, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t like it either. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 00:11, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This inferior version is due to @Le Hurricane:‘s edit. My version, saying that it was an event in the annual cycle of tropical cyclone formation in the Atlantic basin, is much better. It defines what this article is about without WP:POV descriptors, which is appropriate here given our inability to agree on such descriptors. Jasper Deng (talk) 07:20, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can this first sentence fix it?

“The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season was a season of sharp contrasts, marked by an above-average amount of major hurricanes and ACE and a below-average amount of hurricanes and named storms.” Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are two issues that I see with that sentence. First, sharp is a bit of a hyperbole. The largest differences are by one or two storms to each side. Second, I generally do not want to invoke ACE in the first sentence due to it being a relatively technical sentence that would need to be explained to the average person. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 00:06, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence I suggested above seems to be the better options as it makes immediate light of the 3 C5s and Melissa, which is by far and large the biggest part of the season. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 00:09, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would support that sentence over the current. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 00:11, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season featured an above-average number of major hurricanes, but featured a below average amount of named storms and hurricanes. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 00:08, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

see mine please Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 00:12, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’d probably put that below MarioProtIV‘s but beyond that I am relatively uncertain which of the several sentences I would prefer. I would probably say that Jiiiiiiiii‘s are probably better than the current as it is a bit more specific to the season like what JayTee32 pointed out about the current opener. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 00:15, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t like any characterization of the season as any kind of above/below average. Sure it was near average, except it wasn’t. I’d also rather the opening sentence also mentions/links Atlantic and tropical cyclone somewhere. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 00:58, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink Is there a particular reason you don’t like the season being characterized as any kind of average? I know it may seem somewhat subjective, but going off the numbers we can tell objectively there was near normal activity: 13, 5 and 4 are all close to 14, 7, and 3, and the ACE was only 9% above average. Also, I like MarioProtIV‘s proposed opening sentence the best, I think it’s a good compromise of everyone’s points. Jay Tee⛈️ 02:07, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JayTee32: – three Category 5 hurricanes keeps it from being any kind of “average”. That said, I’m not a fan of sticking the SSHS into a note, like in Mario’s proposed opening. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:33, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

honestly, I think something somewhat similar to the opening description of the 2007 Atlantic Hurricane Season, albeit tweaked obviously to fit this season, would be best; both that season and this one were odd seasons with a high ratio of weak storms, but had multiple Cat 5 monsters that need to be highlighted. AutisticYapper (talk) 02:49, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink, just to clarify, are you saying that the clarification shouldn’t exist or that it should be added to the prose? ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 03:56, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Quxyz: – ideally we would mention the Saffir-Simpson scale when we first mention “Category 5”. I’m just not sure if it’s too much to also include that in the first sentence. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:12, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also @Quxyz fwiw I think the 2015 AHS article’s opener is fairly standard, mentioning back-to-back above- or below-average seasons seems to be common throughout the 2010s seasons. (2010-2012, 2013-2015, 2016-2019). Jay Tee⛈️ 02:09, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I like MarioProtIV‘s version of the summary. What do y’all think? Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 02:16, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do ya’ll think that this opening sentence is good? “The 2025 Atlantic hurricane season was the first near-normal Atlantic hurricane season since 2022.” Tell me what ya’ll think. Ajs757 (talk) 02:07, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Three Cat 5 hurricanes isn’t normal. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 02:14, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alrighty. Ajs757 (talk) 02:15, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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