Talk:2025 Atlantic hurricane season: Difference between revisions

Section size for 2025 Atlantic hurricane season (28 sections) Section name Byte count Prose size (words) Header Total Header Total (Top) 3,466 3,466 291 291 Seasonal forecasts 10,111 15,168 197 686 Pre-season forecasts 3,795 3,795 340 340 Mid-season forecasts 1,262 1,262 149 149 Seasonal summary 2,648 15,853 0 600 Background 1,214 1,214 92 92 Early activity 4,644 4,644 194 194 Peak season activity 6,366 6,366 269 269 Late season activity 981 981 45 45 Systems 12 78,835 0 3,108 Tropical Storm Andrea 1,870 1,870 112 112 Tropical Storm Barry 8,134 8,134 317 317 Tropical Storm Chantal 9,453 9,453 373 373 Tropical Storm Dexter 3,618 3,618 142 142 Hurricane Erin 12,213 12,213 533 533 Tropical Storm Fernand 5,525 5,525 202 202 Hurricane Gabrielle 10,926 10,926 407 407 Hurricane Humberto 7,506 7,506 287 287 Hurricane Imelda 7,674 7,674 292 292 Tropical Storm Jerry 6,291 6,291 225 225 Subtropical Storm Karen 2,458 2,458 93 93 Tropical Storm Lorenzo 3,155 3,155 125 125 Storm names 1,431 1,431 48 48 Season effects 4,575 4,575 80 80 Notes 34 34 0 0 See also 684 684 0 0 References 30 30 0 0 External links 370 370 0 0 Total 120,446 120,446 4,813 4,813

Ex-Gabrielle dissipated on September 28th in Southern Spain. What is the relation with a death in Sicily on Octobre 1st????????????? Pierre cb (talk) 21:16, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Both hurricanes Humberto and Imelda caused rip currents that collectively claimed 1 life on the island of Bermuda. The reason that the fatality was shown after Humberto turned Ex-tropical is likely because the body of the man was found after Humberto’s transition. FedoraOnWiki (talk) 21:25, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@FedoraOnWiki That has nothing to do with the thread. FrizzB 🥏 13:54, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed it. Sources do not support claims. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 21:37, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The damages in Italy are not related to the ex-Gabrielle despite what AON says as the front frontal low has dissipated on near Gibraltar FUB September 29, 00 UTC shows. Furthermore, I doubt one can associated the heavy rains over Eastern Spain to it. Aon seems to mixed up airmass convection east of Gabrielle with the low. Pierre cb (talk) 23:38, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Makes no sense can someone make a article on Humberto it was strong enough for a article Isla🏳️‍⚧ 19:46, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Intensity alone has nothing to do with a storm having an article. Imelda was closer to the coast and had more impacts, which is why it has an article. The entirety of Humberto’s story can either be told through Imelda (their combined rip currents, for example), or the Storm Amy article, about the extratropical impacts related to Humberto. If you’d like to expand to cover anything that’s missing, then you can either point out what needs to be added, or add it yourself. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:04, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do note that preparations, which is some of what Humberto is notable for, is not usually included in seasonal articles. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 23:47, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One brief tropical storm watch in Bermuda was issued for Humberto. Preparations in Bermuda and impacts were all about Imelda, not Humberto. Preparations in Europe and impacts were all about Amy, not Humberto. Humberto in an of itself appears to have done nothing of note. Drdpw (talk) 00:02, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When we are working with so little, preparations regarding the delaying of a golf tournament (in conjunction with Imelda) and that tropical storm watch is a lot of the notability that Humberto has. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 00:06, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even if the nhc finds Humberto and Amy were the same storm, creating a separate article for Humberto would confuse readers as the primary coverage of the system that hit Europe was primarily known as Amy. It would also not make sense for us to cover the same information in two places. Jpuxfrd (talk) 00:36, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have made an FAQ regarding this as I foresee more questions like it. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 00:50, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This might sound like a dumb question, but could you show me where it is? Thanks. Jpuxfrd (talk) 01:03, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It’s at the end of the chunky talk header, after section sizes. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 01:05, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone please write the lead to Draft:Tropical Storm Jerry (2025)? Thanks, ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 21:44, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have been sick for the past couple days and didn’t notice MarioProtIV‘s bold merge of Jerry and the seasonal article. While I do think that Jerry was rather small, I do contest the idea that it could easily be fit into the season’s page. Besides just having some niche impacts and meteorological histories, the somewhat significant preparations is totally removed as the season’s article does not do preparations. One final point, Jerry’s section on the season’s page has about 5,000 bytes as of writing while the article had 19,000 bytes prior to merging. Helpful link: [1]. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 12:40, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this is hard, because it wasn’t majorly notable, but still, I kinda agree with you Jklm45s (talk) 15:42, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Quxyz: – what content from the Jerry article can’t fit into the season section? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 15:50, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The more I look at Jerry’s subsection in the season’s page, the more I dislike what information was included. It has the random niche information that should be in the specific storm article while some of the wider spread information, like power outages, is excluded. The section also includes elements of preparation, which are not usually included in the seasons’ articles. Regardless of the outcome, Jerry’s section needs to be restructured. I might work on that later today. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 16:00, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The power outages can/should be added easily to the section. Was there anything else that was excluded? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 16:30, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can make a list but you might as well make the comparisons yourself as there are quite a few. Once again, preparations will be the main one. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 16:36, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Preparations are worth including if something happened, like a major event was postponed or canceled, or people were evacuated. Those are fine to include in the season section. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 16:38, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Quxyz: I added the power outages back in. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:54, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as the one who merged it. Given how much Jerry underperformed and causing less impacts then expected, everything written can easily be fit into the season section without the need for splitting. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 17:05, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

alr releasing my opinion coz I’ve had time to think

Neutral because it did do minimal damage (as counted so far) but its still worth an article Jklm45s (talk) 17:36, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support – As much as Jerry wasn’t the most notable storm, the byte comparison between the season section and article is pretty wide. Also, I think there is enough uncovered information article that if a Jerry article is resplit, then its size could be increased. Shmego2 (talk) 20:49, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support – The bold merge was a bit premature, there should’ve been some more time to see if we could gather more impacts from the storm. Jpuxfrd (talk) 00:46, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Jerry was such and underperformace, and was not that notable. So I feel that it should stay in the season. RedAmi! (talk) 12:47, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support – a storm “underperforming” does not automatically mean it’s non-notable. ^EF⁵ 12:50, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Jerry caused Minimal damage and only 1 death. The same stats as Tropical Storm Lingling, and that page was merged. RedAmi! (talk) 13:00, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn’t matter. There’s tornadoes with 0 or 1 fatalities that have pages. ^EF⁵ 13:01, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay? That’s TORNADOES. Some hurricanes have caused 10+ deaths, even over 25 deaths, and don’t have a page or was merged.

EX: Tropical Storm Fernand (2013) and Typhoon Rex RedAmi! (talk) 13:26, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To add on to this, those storms also caused at least some damage. Jerry did almost none of those. RedAmi! (talk) 13:28, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Accordthemusician. Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFF is not a compelling argument. Jpuxfrd (talk) 15:58, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, deaths and damages don’t make articles, the amount of notable information does. The question is does Jerry have enough to make it awkward to be included in the season’s page. ✶Quxyz✶ (talk) 16:00, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose : I must say that the person who merged should have asked the community before. However, Jerry will not pass to posterity as memorable and the important impacts have been transferred into the season section. Preparation infos in the Jerry article were only mentions of NHC warnings and a few closure of schools or cancellation of events, nothing important. Finally, the difference in size between the resumé section in the season article and the merged Jerry article is in large part due to the introduction and repetitions of informations. Pierre cb (talk) 13:34, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Neutral, Jerry does not immediately appear to be a notable storm, looking at the impacts. However, there is a fair amount of coverage, and if another split request is brought up with sources demonstrating a WP:LASTING effect or damage estimates are raised, I would switch my vote to supporting the split. Hurricane Wind and Fire (talk) 00:00, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – With regard to preparations for and impacts of its passage, Jerry ’25 was, based on coverage of the event, not a notable storm overall; nor was its met history in general. Also, the story of the storm is, at present, well told in the season section, and I see no reason to expect anything new and impactful to arise that would give it any long-lasting significance. Drdpw (talk) 00:47, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]