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::Agreed and done – [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 07:24, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

::Agreed and done – [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 07:24, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

*{{!xt|In a meeting with military figures at Schloss Pleß, a palace in Silesia used by the German Emperor Wilhelm II, on 29 December Bethmann Hollweg and Helfferich again voiced the government’s concerns over the policy but stated that the final decision must lie with Wilhelm.}} -> Could you move rearrange the sentence to be “Bethmann Hollweg and Helfferich again voiced the government’s concerns over the policy in a meeting with military figures at Schloss Pleß, a palace in Silesia used by the German Emperor Wilhelm II, on 29 December, but stated that the final decision must lie with Wilhelm.”

*{{!xt|In a meeting with military figures at Schloss Pleß, a palace in Silesia used by the German Emperor Wilhelm II, on 29 December Bethmann Hollweg and Helfferich again voiced the government’s concerns over the policy but stated that the final decision must lie with Wilhelm.}} -> Could you move rearrange the sentence to be “Bethmann Hollweg and Helfferich again voiced the government’s concerns over the policy in a meeting with military figures at Schloss Pleß, a palace in Silesia used by the German Emperor Wilhelm II, on 29 December, but stated that the final decision must lie with Wilhelm.”

::Done – [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 07:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

*{{!xt|Wilhelm, Hindenburg and Ludendorff meeting on 8 January 1917}} -> Change the image description to “[[Wilhelm II]], [[Paul von Hindenburg]] and [[Erich Ludendorff]] meeting on 8 January 1917”.

*{{!xt|Wilhelm, Hindenburg and Ludendorff meeting on 8 January 1917}} -> Change the image description to “[[Wilhelm II]], [[Paul von Hindenburg]] and [[Erich Ludendorff]] meeting on 8 January 1917”.

::Done – [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 07:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

*{{!xt|The formal agreement was made between Wilhelm II and Charles I in Berlin on 26 January}} -> Could you remove their numbering? Per the other usages of Wilhelm’s name you do not include the number. [[Charles I of Austria]]’s page does a similar thing.

*{{!xt|The formal agreement was made between Wilhelm II and Charles I in Berlin on 26 January}} -> Could you remove their numbering? Per the other usages of Wilhelm’s name you do not include the number. [[Charles I of Austria]]’s page does a similar thing.

::Agreed and done – [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 07:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

*{{!xt|In response to the adoption of unrestricted submarine warfare the US broke off all diplomatic relations with Germany from 3 February}} -> Change from to on

*{{!xt|In response to the adoption of unrestricted submarine warfare the US broke off all diplomatic relations with Germany from 3 February}} -> Change from to on

::Done – [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 07:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

*{{!xt|The policy increased the quantity of shipping sunk by U-boats, which had been running at just above 300,000 tons per month since October 1916.}} -> Can this be the start of a new paragraph? The previous sentences were discussing American relations with Germany while the rest are talking about the tonnage sunk.

*{{!xt|The policy increased the quantity of shipping sunk by U-boats, which had been running at just above 300,000 tons per month since October 1916.}} -> Can this be the start of a new paragraph? The previous sentences were discussing American relations with Germany while the rest are talking about the tonnage sunk.

::Sure thing, done – [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 07:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

*I think the multiple image template below would serve the article better than the image of Wilhelm, Hindenburg, and Ludendorff meeting.

*I think the multiple image template below would serve the article better than the image of Wilhelm, Hindenburg, and Ludendorff meeting.

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| footer = [[Paul von Hindenburg]] and [[Henning von Holtzendorff]] advocated for resuming [[unrestricted submarine warfare]] while [[Theobald von Bethmann Hollweg]] argued against it.

| footer = [[Paul von Hindenburg]] and [[Henning von Holtzendorff]] advocated for resuming [[unrestricted submarine warfare]] while [[Theobald von Bethmann Hollweg]] argued against it.

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::I included this image as it shows three of the men involved meeting on the day before the event discussed. I haven’t found any sources discussing this meeting but it appears to have been focussed on land strategy. I am not opposed to including portraits of the main players as well, perhaps midway through the “meeting” section? – [[User:Dumelow|Dumelow]] ([[User talk:Dumelow|talk]]) 07:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

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Nominator: Dumelow (talk · contribs) 11:05, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Jon698 (talk · contribs) 05:02, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This article is on the shorter end, but covers a very interesting piece of WW1. The lower reference count of 21, compared to other articles I have reviewed, will also be easy to review. Jon698 (talk) 05:02, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dumelow: I have made my first comments below. Jon698 (talk) 04:01, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have no more prose comments. Will do source review soon.
  • Could you change the usage of “German Emperor” to be “Kaiser” as that is what is used in the World War I article?
I was initially going to request changing Britain to United Kingdom, but I saw that the WW1 page prefers using Britain.
Switched to kaiser, with “German Emperor” in brackets at first use – Dumelow (talk) 07:21, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • The policy had been proposed by the German military in 1916 but was opposed by the civilian government under Chancellor Theobald von Bethmann Hollweg who feared it would alienate neutral powers, including the United States. -> Could this be reworded to “The policy had been proposed by the German military in 1916, but was opposed by the civilian government under Chancellor Theobald von Bethmann Hollweg; he feared it would alienate neutral powers, including the United States.”
Yes, good idea. Done – Dumelow (talk) 07:21, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • US would be moot -> Change US to United States
Done – Dumelow (talk) 07:21, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • The policy was announced to the United States on 31 January 1917 and commenced the following day. -> Could this be made the beginning of a third paragraph in the lede? It and the following sentences cover the impact of the policy while the preceding ones cover debate over enacting it.
Yes, agreed and done – Dumelow (talk) 07:24, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • US declaration of war on Germany on 6 April 1917 -> Could you replace US with American?
Done – Dumelow (talk) 07:24, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • From 4 February 1915 Germany had implemented unrestricted submarine warfare, in which merchant vessels were liable to sinking by U-boats without warning. The campaign was abandoned on 1 September 1915 following American protests after the sinking of the liners Lusitania and Arabic, in which a number of US citizens were killed. -> Could this be reworded to “From 4 February to 1 September 1915 Germany implemented unrestricted submarine warfare, in which merchant vessels were liable to sinking by U-boats without warning. The campaign was abandoned following American protests after the sinking of the liners Lusitania and Arabic, in which a number of US citizens were killed.”
Agreed and done – Dumelow (talk) 07:24, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • In a meeting with military figures at Schloss Pleß, a palace in Silesia used by the German Emperor Wilhelm II, on 29 December Bethmann Hollweg and Helfferich again voiced the government’s concerns over the policy but stated that the final decision must lie with Wilhelm. -> Could you move rearrange the sentence to be “Bethmann Hollweg and Helfferich again voiced the government’s concerns over the policy in a meeting with military figures at Schloss Pleß, a palace in Silesia used by the German Emperor Wilhelm II, on 29 December, but stated that the final decision must lie with Wilhelm.”
Done – Dumelow (talk) 07:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Done – Dumelow (talk) 07:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • The formal agreement was made between Wilhelm II and Charles I in Berlin on 26 January -> Could you remove their numbering? Per the other usages of Wilhelm’s name you do not include the number. Charles I of Austria‘s page does a similar thing.
Agreed and done – Dumelow (talk) 07:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • In response to the adoption of unrestricted submarine warfare the US broke off all diplomatic relations with Germany from 3 February -> Change from to on
Done – Dumelow (talk) 07:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • The policy increased the quantity of shipping sunk by U-boats, which had been running at just above 300,000 tons per month since October 1916. -> Can this be the start of a new paragraph? The previous sentences were discussing American relations with Germany while the rest are talking about the tonnage sunk.
Sure thing, done – Dumelow (talk) 07:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the multiple image template below would serve the article better than the image of Wilhelm, Hindenburg, and Ludendorff meeting.
I included this image as it shows three of the men involved meeting on the day before the event discussed. I haven’t found any sources discussing this meeting but it appears to have been focussed on land strategy. I am not opposed to including portraits of the main players as well, perhaps midway through the “meeting” section? – Dumelow (talk) 07:35, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.
    a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
    No neutrality issues.
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
    This article was created by Dumelow back in 2022. They have authored 96% of the article and the last non-Dumelow edit was by Hugo999 on 16 January 2025. No edit wars.
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    Four images are used in the article.
    German Submarine War Zone Announced 1 February 1917.jpeg was published in 1920, and is therefore public domain. It depicts the area of unrestricted submarine warfare, which the article is about.
    Lusitania2.jpg is public domain. It depicts the RMS Lusitania, the most famous victim of unrestricted submarine warfare. The Lusitania is also directly mentioned in the article.
    German General Headquarters. General von Hindenburg, Kaiser Wilhelm, General Ludendorff, January 1917., ca. 1919 – ca. 1 – NARA – 533182 (cropped).tif was taken in 1917, and is therefore in the public domain. It depicts Paul von Hindenburg and Erich Ludendorff, who are mentioned in the article.
    Just like that! LCCN2002714582.jpg was published in 1917, and is therefore public domain. It was made in response to the change in German policy.
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

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