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== RfC: Should AfD pro Russia be merged with AFD article? (23 September 2025) ==

== RfC: Should AfD pro Russia be merged with AFD article? (23 September 2025) ==

{{Discussion top|result=To ”’not”’ merge, largely on the grounds of [[Wikipedia:Article size]] and secondarily because [[AfD pro-Russia movement]] is sufficiently distinct from the party proper; arguments for the merge focus on verifiability and reliable sources, and bias, but these can be managed by normal editing, leading to deletion discussions if insufficient is left. [[User:Klbrain|Klbrain]] ([[User talk:Klbrain|talk]]) 18:06, 7 December 2025 (UTC)}}

So should this article, be [[WP:MERGE|merged]] into [[Alternative for Germany]] or does it have enough [[WP:V|verifiable]] [[WP:CS|citation]]s to [[WP:NOTABLE|keep it up]]?

So should this article, be [[WP:MERGE|merged]] into [[Alternative for Germany]] or does it have enough [[WP:V|verifiable]] [[WP:CS|citation]]s to [[WP:NOTABLE|keep it up]]?

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:Don’t merge. Even if you don’t like AfD you should not merge it misleadingly. [[Special:Contributions/~2025-37093-26|~2025-37093-26]] ([[User talk:~2025-37093-26|talk]]) 17:41, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

:Don’t merge. Even if you don’t like AfD you should not merge it misleadingly. [[Special:Contributions/~2025-37093-26|~2025-37093-26]] ([[User talk:~2025-37093-26|talk]]) 17:41, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Latest revision as of 18:06, 7 December 2025

Seems like a smear article of POV nonsense against AFD. Prince Hubris (talk) 21:40, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What you call nonsense is a well known, scientific proved bias of a group of politicians within AfD with un-reflected pro-russian positions. Please check the sources of this articel. —Outdoor-Bro (talk) 10:13, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Scientific? The sources are German-language tabloids. Odoacer Rex (talk) 08:52, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Odoacer Rex, the German-language sources cited are n-tv, Tagesspiegel, Die Zeit, Süddeutsche Zeitung, Tagesschau, and Ostthüringer Zeitung. As a German myself, I can attest that at the very least Die Zeit, SZ, Tagesschau, Tagesspiegel are established, well-known news outlets. I am of the opinion that they do not qualify as tabloids. Holzklöppel (talk) 22:07, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I find this article to consist entirely of original research, and the topic itself not to meet notability criteria. The fact that some of the party’s politicians (and/or the party itself) express Russia-friendly sentiments does not constitute a “movement”. I think this article does not meet Wiki criteria for an independent article; I think a summary of its contents should be merged into an existing article about AfD under a section about the party’s foreign policy orientation.
Kind regards, -J Jay Hodec (talk) 12:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, could you outline for me where you think original research was included in the article? To my knowledge, all sources are correctly cited. For notability, you might have a point to merge it into the main AfD article, but we should wait for consensus.
Holzklöppel (talk) 18:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is a smear article. A lot of people hate the AfD and would do anything to defame it. All we can do is discuss. 2607:FEA8:49E7:BA00:A12B:668E:F849:DDBF (talk) 00:48, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah AfD gets Hated and because People hate Russia too, they want to make it seem like AfD is doing a Pro-Russia Movement when people see the Title.
This should just be merged with AfD, and doesn’t need a whole seperate Article. SaxonianEmpire (talk) 05:34, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dose anyone else think it would be a good idea too cerate a article on the Pro Russian movement in Germany. I think this article (AfD pro-Russia movement) could be apart of the proposed article or merged into it. Zyxrq (talk) 05:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. The topic is to extensive and get even more extensive with a pro-Russia electian campain and program of AfD for 2024 european elections. The whole party adopted positions which are russian friendly, hidden as “peace policy”. —Sinomina2000 (talk) 05:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article should be merged into Alternative for Germany, the entire article could essentially be trimmed and summarized into 3-4 paragraphs there. I think its absolutely unnecessary to create an article about such a small topic like this, as it can be easily be covered on this page. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 19:15, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WhoIsCentreLeft The article can also be expanded to include the entire subject of “Russophilia in Germany/pro Russian movement in Germany.” This will make it so we can also talk about the BSW and other pro Russian groups like the Freie Sachsen, we can also include historical pro Russian subjects like East Germany, etc etc. Zyxrq (talk) 01:12, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like a good idea. WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 14:48, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Its seems like this merge proposal was forgotten… WhoIsCentreLeft (talk) 20:26, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good Vasily1926 (talk) 18:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC) ( Confirmed sockpuppet of Movaigonel, see investigation)[reply]
Honestly that might not be worth an article? I think the way to go with this is to just merge. Ev0308 (talk) 03:27, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

this is just anti AfD propaganda lol JaxsonR (talk) 17:22, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sophisticatedevening Hi I just wanted to point out that there wasn’t a consensus about which page to move the article into. I suggested that the article be moved into one about “Russophilia in Germany/Pro Russian movement in Germany.” @WhoIsCentreLeft seemed to agree with me. @-Sinomina2000 Disagreed with the idea of a Merger/Move. @Ev0308 wanted a Merger. So I’m asking you to undue the merger for the moment. Zyxrq (talk) 08:23, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 15:27, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So should this article, be merged into Alternative for Germany or does it have enough verifiable citations to keep it up?

Regarding claims of bias, please provide accurate sources, instead of personal feelings, when arguing. Of course argue in good faith. – KaijuEditor (talk) 02:40, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I tend towards merge. Alternatively, one could move the article towards something like “Pro-Russian positions in the AfD” or “AfD and Russia”.
While there are many sources for pro-Russian and pro-Putin positions among notable politicians within the AfD as well as for Russian influence on the party, there are as far as I know none that specifically claim that there is a “pro-Russian movement” within the AfD. The article also currently doesn’t make clear how this movement is supposed to look. No concrete goals, meetings, rallies, symbols, organisations or similar features of a political movement are given.
Rather, as far as I see it, there is a range of positions regarding Russia in the AfD, going from (rarely) staunchly pro-Ukrainean over (faux-)pacifist to word-for-word Putin propaganda. Even though there are internal disagreements, as long as no sources are given, I would not speak of a discrete pro-Russian movement within the AfD. See also the comment by Jay Hodec above.
Iluzalsipal (talk) 13:49, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I do not fully understand if the article is supposed to talk about a pro-Russian movement within the AfD or the AfD as part of a bigger pro-Russian movement in Germany including the Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht and Alice Schwarzer. In the latter case, there are probably somewhat better sources, even though this is still not uncontroversial. Iluzalsipal (talk) 14:01, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge discussions are explicitly not for the Rfc process. —Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:48, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
^^This is true. Explicitly true. 😉 NickCT (talk) 20:49, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Don’t merge. Even if you don’t like AfD you should not merge it misleadingly. ~2025-37093-26 (talk) 17:41, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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