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Nominator: Gerda Arendt (talk · contribs) 19:45, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: GoldRomean (talk · contribs) 06:41, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll review this :). Sorry you had to wait so long; comments to come within the next week. GoldRomean (talk) 06:41, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	A-okay. GoldRomean (talk) 21:35, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	All good here. GoldRomean (talk) 21:35, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	No concerns here. GoldRomean (talk) 18:17, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	No concerns. GoldRomean (talk) 18:17, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Image is PD; File:Der ungläubige Thomas – Michelangelo Merisi, named Caravaggio.jpg looks like it might be of slightly higher quality if you’d like to swap but I’m good with either one and won’t quibble over it. GoldRomean (talk) 21:35, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Probably link to The Incredulity of Saint Thomas (Caravaggio) in the infobox image caption, maybe add “Saint” in there to match. Otherwise, no concerns. GoldRomean (talk) 21:35, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
	7. Overall assessment.

Prose review

• I might make some copyedits as I read; feel free to rv and discuss if any of them have problems. Pushback on those (and any of the comments here) is okay and welcome!

  welcome, thank you –GA

• Lead: “that began in 1723” – referring to his second cantata cycle or his tenure as Thomaskantor?

  tenure, – how would that become clear? (English is not my first language.) –GA

• “An unknown librettist included […]” – took me a few reads to understand this sentence; remove the commas, maybe?

  rephrased –GA

• History and words: “which consisted first of chorale cantatas since the first Sunday after Trinity of 1724” – maybe clarify, not sure what this means

  reprased, and that could be expanded if you think it helps –GA

• “Bach ended the sequence on Palm Sunday of 1725 […]” remove semicolon; the clauses aren’t related to each other

  they are, but it was changed in the rephrasing –GA

• Remove “, first without then with Thomas,”

  no, because it is about key to the cantata, but reprased –GA

• “The unknown librettist included verse 19…” this is a very long sentence; split into multiple

  split in 3 and rephrased –GA

• Mvt. 1: “the keyboard concerto, BWV 1053” – link currently redirects to broken anchor on Keyboard concertos by Johann Sebastian Bach; I’ve changed the target of BWV 1053 to the main page and suggest linking (just the words “BWV 1053”; “the keyboard concerto” not necessary) directly to there

  linked to concerto, but mentioning harpsichord, parallel to violin in the other –GA

• “cantabile” – italicize, not quote

  yes –GA

• Mvt. 2: does the quote “On the evening, however, of the same Sabbath, when the disciples had gathered” need to be repeated twice?

  Where would the first one be? –GA

• Mvt. 6: are the words in quotes (e.g. “Unruhe der Welt”) taken from the cantata’s lyrics?

  no, and I don’t remember where that comes from, – I restored the ref for the translation —Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

• Recordings: is this website official? I am unsure about calling it “the Bach Cantatas website”; the site appears to call itself “the Bach Cantatas Website (BCW)” so “Website” should be capitalized either way

  It’s the best (most detailed, most complete) website about recordings of Bach’s cantatas there is, – renamed –GA

• “Choir type” column is empty; any reason to keep?

  I dropped it. –GA

• External links: “Scores at […]” should not be capitalized, for consistency (and article is in British English)

  That comes with {{IMSLP}}, and is accepted at FA level. –GA

That’s all for now; source review and second pass to come. I’ll keep an eye on this page but ping me if there are any queries/concerns :). GoldRomean (talk) 18:13, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for a detailed look, replied, and some changes made. —Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, fair explanations and all looks good to me (and I really like the way you did some of those rephrases). The question re. tenure was more to confirm for me than anything; happy with keeping it as-is :). GoldRomean (talk) 21:27, 4 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

• [1d] Y
• [4k] + [1f][1g][1h] – mvt. 6: quote whole phrase, “restlessness of the world”. I’m reading the source correctly, some rewording might help to make clear that the quotes come from Loy (not the cantata). Also, (apologies, awfully nitpicky) including the German text means you’re also technically using p. 3 (not just p. 4) from Loy. Otherwise, source supports the text and Y in that regard :).
• [5a] – stuff about dates and his chorale cantata cycle is not explicitly cited; might be nice if it was but I think it’s fine w.r.t. criteria 2b. Not sure “large-scale orchestral sinfonia” (source) = “extended sinfonia”?
• [8c] + [8b][4d] – you’re more familiar with the topic than me; I presume it is reasonably implied that these performances are by the Thomanerchor, led by Bach? Both sources back up the first sentence of the paragraph, but only [4] supports the second; may need slight adjusting. Likely oversight on my part – I can’t find where the 1 April date for 1742 as well as 7 April 1743 come from?
• [10] Y
• [12] – optional: linking to a way to access online might be helpful; GBooks probably works well but found lots of other versions too. I’m certain this is only a me problem and not a source problem, but I’m afraid I’ve gotten a bit lost with this one for where to find the info; mind pointing me in the right direction?
• [15] Y

Couple of questions, but no significant concerns here :). GoldRomean (talk) 02:59, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]