Talk:Bet-Nahrain Democratic Party/GA1: Difference between revisions

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Nominator: Surayeproject3 (talk · contribs) 23:58, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: LEvalyn (talk · contribs) 01:33, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will take on this review, as part of a review swap. As we discussed, if there are issues I’ll point out how to address them and allow time for revisions rather than failing right away. I often prefer to make small edits myself rather than have a lot of back-and-forth over minor details, but naturally you should feel free to change or discuss anything that you don’t consider an improvement. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 01:33, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I haven’t yet finished assessing everything (most notably, I haven’t done the source check yet), but I’m going to put this on hold for some more edits before I do so. (The source check will be more useful after the article has all its sources!) Most critical to address are the uncited statements, but while you are researching & citing those I encourage you to also think about how to provide more context throughout the article. Give me a ping whenever you think the article’s ready for me to take another look! ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:04, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Image check is good — appropriate fair use rationale for the logo, and no other obvious free photos for the body of the article (since there don’t appear to be any free photos of Romeo Hakkari or Sargon Dadesho). ~ L 🌸 (talk) 02:31, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• notable individuals such as Gilyana Yonan is not very informative, especially since Yonan doesn’t have an article: can you give a more specific gloss of the kinds of individuals involved? Their occupations or nationalities? ~ L 🌸 (talk) 02:31, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• his pursuit of a more militant approach to find solutions to the ongoing persecution of Iraqi Assyrians led him to leave the AUA in the article is a WP:CLOP of His pursuit of a more militant approach to finding solutions to Assyrian struggle in Iraq led him to leave AUA in the article. In fact, the only thing that changes in the wording is changing “Assyrian struggle in Iraq” to “the ongoing persecution of Iraqi Assyrians”, a much less neutral framing. This needs a rewrite. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 02:31, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• The “citation needed” tags, of course, need to be addressed; I added a few more. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 02:31, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Although initially participating in the al-Nahrain Watani list — I need more context for this list and what it means to participate in it. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 02:31, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Something is wrong with the mention of the Assyrian flag… the AUA source says the BNDP adopted it in 1971, but the party itself evidently didn’t exist until 1976? My inclination is to weaken this statement to something more like “The BNDP uses the Assyrian flag” or find a more independent source, which would hopefully have more detail. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 02:31, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• I’ve been thinking a lot about breadth. In general I found that reading the article left me still feeling like I was missing something, and not confident I really understood the topic. I think some kind of “background” section is called for, perhaps drawing on some of the information in this source (available through the Wikipedia Library), which helpfully explained things like the historical status of Assyrians in Iraq, the Assyrian diaspora, and the relationship between Assyrians and Kurds. Page 136 also has a very useful account of the origins of the BDNP & an assessment of how the party relates to other Assyrian nationalist movements, which would be useful to address. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:04, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Since this isn’t a topic I have as much expertise in, I looked at some recent GAs for political parties: Liberal Democratic Party (Serbia, 1989), Croatian Republican Peasant Party (1945), Nuevas Ideas. I notice they all have sections explaining the organization/leadership of the party, which could be useful here. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:04, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• I also think, following those models, it would be useful to split apart the “Electoral history” and “activities”, especially since doing so would allow the “modern activities” to be absorbed into the other material. For example, the information about the Athra Alliance seems like it belongs with other electoral history. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:04, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • I removed Gilyana Yonan’s name as he is not that important to the subject of the article nor its background.
  • I rephrased “his pursuit of a more militant approach to find solutions to the ongoing persecution of Iraqi Assyrians led him to leave the AUA” to “his pursuit of a more militant approach to find solutions to persecution of Assyrians in Iraq…”. Let me know if this is better or if it still needs work.
  • For “al-Nahrain Watani”, this is cited to a blog post by a “Fred Aprim”. I have edited the line, but both sources speak of the same list. The party did end up withdrawing from the elections, which is cited in the Fred Aprim source.
  • I am assuming that the organizations preceding the BNDP merger were the first to use the modern Assyrian flag, hence the inconsistencies in dating. The page of Petrosian (2006) you mentioned states that the organization the BNDP was based on was founded in 1970.
  • I split Electoral history and activities into two sections, and included “Modern activity” under the new “Activities” section

  I will address everything else in due time. Surayeproject3 (talk) 14:16, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I have addressed the citation needed tags, and I have also changed the date the party was founded in the infobox per a recent statement they made. I have removed the information about the 1991 uprising as I cannot find a source to confirm this info at this time. Article lead has been expanded by a small amount and new sources have also been added. I’d like these points to be addressed before considering a “Background” or “Organisation” section, but I don’t know if this party would benefit from the latter as it seems to have been headed by one notable figure (Romeo Hakkari) since the US invasion. Surayeproject3 (talk) 15:32, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]