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Please add {{Curry in the United Kingdom}} at the end of this article (just above the categories). [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 10:53, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Please add {{Curry in the United Kingdom}} at the end of this article (just above the categories). [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 10:53, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

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The word biryani can also be derived from the word “Vrinj” in Sanskrit meaning rice. Please add that 2409:40F4:3007:1E13:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 12:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a source. Lectonar (talk) 14:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“In biryani, meat (and vegetables, if present) and rice are cooked separately before being layered and cooked together for the gravy to absorb into the rice. Pulao is a single-pot dish: meat (or vegetables) and rice are cooked separately and they are not mixed […]”

This makes no sense. If Pulao is “meat or vegetables and rice are cooked separately”, we would not call it a “single pot dish.” In English, a “single pot dish” refers to one where all ingredients are added to a pot and cooked. I will allow some time for someone from this culture to either clarify or edit the article. I’m not sure what I would edit to, but as it stands, it makes no sense. Mercster (talk) 01:57, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a particular rice, or rices, used? Theres multiple towns/cities/areas mentioned, is all the rice the same?

Theres really no details about rice anywhere in the article. 58.7.0.114 (talk) 05:57, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I removed these texts from the article. A user re-added these (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biryani&diff=prev&oldid=1310458367) despite my explanation (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biryani&diff=prev&oldid=1305483967 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biryani&diff=prev&oldid=1306347560 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biryani&diff=prev&oldid=1306347756). Previously @MrOllie reverted this edit made by an ip user(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biryani&diff=prev&oldid=1310456960). I think the ip belongs to that user.

Content removed:

Some claim that the dish “oonchoru” as mentioned in Sangam literature, which dates from between 200 BCE and 200 CE, is a predecessor of modern biryani. This dish, which was served to the soldiers of the Chera kings in Kerala, was said to be made of rice, ghee, meat, turmeric, coriander, pepper, and bay leaf.^[1][2][3]

Reason: These blogs aren’t written by historians of food like KT Achaya or other academics/scholars. They aren’t reliable in context. See WP:CONTEXTMATTERS, These blogs don’t properly cite the primary source, see See WP:SECONDARY: “A secondary source provides an author’s own thinking based on primary sources, generally at least one step removed from an event. It contains an author’s analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources.”
The first blog cites a statement from a restaurant owner and is therefore unreliable because the owner’s credibility cannot be determined. The third blog is outright unreliable because it is a user-submitted post on The Times of India’s “Reader’s Blog.”The second blog only mentions, “The method of cooking rice and meat together was in practice well before the advent of Biryani.” This statement does not support any of the points mentioned in the content.

Another content that I removed was:

Some theories suggest that the name biryani originated from the Sanskrit word vrīhí (Sanskrit: व्रीहि), meaning rice.^[4][5]

Reason: The first source is unreliable. The claim is questionable because it challenges the existing persian etymology. The blog is written by some Ankit Gupta, who is neither a historian or a food expert. His credentials and claims can’t be verified. The second source doesn’t support this claim. Hu741f4 (talk) 08:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mayofer’s Sanskrit dictionary outright support the Sanskrit emytology. Biriboy (talk) 21:08, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nowhere does it mention that. Don’t revert the edit as you just did https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biryani&diff=prev&oldid=1313545956 Hu741f4 (talk) 02:55, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It literally does. Mayofer’s textbook definition for the word Rice is Vrihi.Vrihi (व्रीहि).

https://www.learnsanskrit.cc/translate?search=rice&dir=es

Other text book definitions adhere to the same meaning.

And why are you specifically removing reliable sources?

There’s a mention about” Biryani being popular among South Indian Muslims”. However the actual source provides no proof of that. It’s just an opinion.

Also you have specifically claimed that these are mere opinions.
But most lines on the origin section of the article are attributed to opinions. Book writer’s and resturant owners are historians. Only Lizzie Collinngham is credited to be a historian. Vishwanath Shenoy and Pratibha Karan are not historians. They have no expertise in this subject. Why haven’t you removed them then?
You aka haven’t removed opinions from Hindustan Times articles? Why is that?Your edits reflect these.
WP:CHERRYPICKING
Biriboy (talk) 04:21, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1)Mayofer’s textbook defines the word “rice” as vrihi, but it doesn’t say that this is the etymology of the word ‘biryani,’ which is a clear case of WP:OR

2)I didn’t remove any reliable sources. I removed unreliable sources and sources that don’t support what the content asserts. I have already explained that at the beginning of the conversation. I analyzed every single source and explained why these sources should be removed (i.e,they are either unreliable or don’t support what the content says)

3)None of these sources mention any historian. Restaurant owners are not historians.

4)I didn’t remove them because they don’t challenge the pre-existing notion.

Hu741f4 (talk) 04:56, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1) Vrihi being an origin word for biryani is a proposed theory. So I don’t see how that being removed supports anything.

2)You removed some cherry picked sources. What is reliable about an article claiming it’s popular among muslims while having zero evidence to prove that? Or the other resturant owners and food bloggers? Not a single one of them is an expert in this field. If you are moderating. Then moderate the whole page or else food bloggers and news article can be sourced as long as they are considered reliable by Wikipedia.

3) Neither are those sources that I pointed out. Yet you conveniently left them out! Why?

4)They challenge your reason for removal of these specific sources. The south Indian section doesn’t challenge any previous notion. It has been a established part of the article for years.

You specifically removed sections which argue the notion of Biryani being an Indian dish, but you ignored other unreliable sources ( according to your logic). WP: CHERRYPICKING Biriboy (talk) 15:32, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1)The source that you cited doesn’t even mention the word ‘Biryani’. See WP:OR

2)3)Let’s focus on the content in question. I am not the one who added these texts.

4)I have already explained to you why I removed them. Hu741f4 (talk) 18:23, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1) The source is the evidence for the similar emytological origin. The claim was mentioned in a different article. I provided both.

2)You are not the one who added the other content either. If you are not moderating the article based on set standards. Then it’s CHERRYPICKING. As simple as that

4) Strawman fallacy. As I said before you are reverting viable information and your edits would come under WP:CHERRYPICKING. Biriboy (talk) 13:45, 28 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have already explained to you enough. See WP:V; this is where you fail. The burden of consensus is upon you WP:ONUS. I won’t repeat the same thing again and again. Hu741f4 (talk) 15:24, 29 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is specifically against you. WP:CHERRYPICKING, also under the strawman fallacy. You have to prove why you specifically removed sources which are just as valid as the other sources in the article. Biriboy (talk) 03:36, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think you need to recheck that. There is no WP:CHERRYPICKING from my side. I have already explained to you that. Go back to my first comment. Hu741f4 (talk) 16:53, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I already explained that what you specifically did comes under cherry picking. Removing certain edits,but not other ones.

By you assertion both sources are illegitimate, yet you only removed one. That is cherry picking. As I said before. Either moderate the entire article or Dont. Biriboy (talk) 02:22, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This page has been locked, again, due to ongoing content dispute. Please discuss and resolve the issues here on the talk page rather than reverting (edit warring). Once the issue has been resolved, EC protection will be implemented going forward. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 17:37, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are these references not eligible? I’m pretty sure these sources are well trusted by wikipedia. Biriboy (talk) 02:35, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, none of them are. I shall go through the articles one-by-one:

1) The first article cites solely as evidence a chef. As @Hu741f4 told you, chefs are not necessarily food historians.

2) The second article has nothing to do with biryani. The only thing it mentions to that effect is that meat-and-rice dishes existed among Tamils before biryani became popular.

3) This source is from a readers’ blog. That is, the article was written not by any journalists at the publication but quite literally an ordinary reader.

4) This website is not recognized by Wikipedia as a reliable source, and the author does not cite any concrete evidence for any of his claims. Furthermore, the author’s other publications on the site are primarily religious and/or motivational, thus further not providing in confidence in the author’s reliability as a food historian.

5) @Hu741f4 has already extensively explained to you why this source cannot be applied here the way you wish to. TheCherryPanda (talk) 21:30, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1) None of the above mentioned authors other than Collinngham are food historians. Credible source doesn’t equate to being a food historian. Cherrypicking.

2) Which cites as a evidence for it’s origin. Biryani being popular among muslims also mentions no reasons. Yet you conveniently left it in. It’s a theory and it’s a credible source. All the original articles are opinions from people, most of them are not food historians.

3) Resturant owners are not credible sources according to your own logic. You are still committing to WP:CHERRY PICKING.

4)The print solely claims Biryani to be a Muslim food because of political reasons while providing no evidence whatsoever and what’s up with the idea of a food historian? Most of them aren’t. Biriboy (talk) 03:55, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please understand that you can’t reinstate your edit by repeating these claims again and again. We have a policy for that WP:ICANTHEARYOU Hu741f4 (talk) 14:59, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. You claimed sources written by non food historians shouldn’t be credible. My point is that many other credible sources, Still present in the article are not written by food historians.

Hindustan times or Print/co authors aren’t exactly food historians, nor do they provide any source for their claims.

If we are removing uncredible sources, then please remove all of them, not a selected few. Your critera for deciding credibility isn’t applied over the entire article. That is my point.That’s all!

I also do not consider threatening to ban me and claiming to have a consensus without any consensus as being reliable. Biriboy (talk) 17:56, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add {{Curry in the United Kingdom}} at the end of this article (just above the categories). Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:53, 10 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]