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::::I think I approximately understood your POV, livelikemusic, but still not agreeing with that. Why are you focusing on only Japanese version of the album? These singles are also included in 2022 digital “re-issue” edition, meaning that they are actually regarded as “bonus tracks” of the album. Furthermore, “Sparks” was promoted (and even written in Wikipedia) as the “[[lead single]]” from the album.

::::Watch [https://www.ebay.com/itm/168000477964 Japanese edition tracklist (from eBay)]. “Chasing the Sun” and “All About You” are “bonus tracks”, not even just a regular track from the Japanese edition. That’s why it’s not proper to put these “bonus tracks” in {{tl|Singles}}. [[User:Camilasdandelions|”’Camilasdandelions”']] ([[User talk:Camilasdandelions|✉️]]) 01:43, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

::::: Again, as stated prior, the release in Japan was that region’s original release; the fact they are labeled as “bonus tracks” does not mean they are excluded. Again, nit-picking and selectively choosing what {{Tl|Infobox album}} states is not going to sway the argument. It does not state bonus tracks cannot be considered singles. Only bonus tracks, which are additional, via a reissue are not to be included. The 2015 release in Japan was ”’not”’ a reissue (which should ”not” be difficult to understand, honestly). And as noted in the previous consensus, both “Chasing the Sun” (especially) and “All About You” were promoted as singles from the planned fifth studio release, which meets the [[WP:BURDEN|burnden of proof]] to prove them as singles from the finished ”Breathe In. Breathe Out.” project. ”'[[User:livelikemusic|livelikemusic]]”’ ([[User talk:livelikemusic|TALK!]]) 04:01, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

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Hello! Do we have sources for the two songs “Let it Flow” and “La La (Drop That)”? I don’t see this information anywhere. Whoever added these songs, please provides sources to them. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DLav87 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There’s an on-going debate and soft edit-war happening about whether or not “Chasing the Sun” and “All About You” are singles from Breathe In. Breathe Out., and instead of edit-warring it let’s discuss it instead. They have both been credited as two singles from the album, and given that other edition(s) of the album’s tracklisting have yet to be confirmed, it causes no harm for them to be included in the infobox. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 14:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

hello there – now that she confirmed a deluxe edition is coming out, none of the album versions will include these two singles. i think it’s safe to assume “all about you” and “chasing the sun” are just singles on their own and should be removed from the infobox. treat them like “louboutins” and “fresh out the oven” by jennifer lopez: they were supposed to be included in her “love?” album but never made it, and in fact they did not appear in that infobox. 2.227.147.50 (talk) 11:34, 4 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

agreed. i think they should be talked about in the article, but not mentioned as official singles from the album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dustin.burleson (talk • contribs) 00:37, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think that they should be listed as singles from the album as they’re only available on a special edition of the album – on a download card – which most casual fans won’t have access too. They’re not listed as part of the album on digital retailers or on any physical disc. Like the previous have stated, I believe this is a similar scenario to that which happened to Jennifer Lopez. As such, I think “Chasing The Sun” and “All About You” should be removed. Traveltoromantis (talk) 03:34, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Again, this subject is coming into play — both “Chasing the Sun” and “All About You” were promoted as singles from the album, and their inclusion in at least one edition of the album results in their inclusion as singles from Breathe In. Breathe Out. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 22:36, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Stated in the article itself, they are promotional singles. And those are not counted as official singles. If they were counted, Taylor Swift‘s 1989 would have ten singles from a 13 track album, and One Direction‘s Made in the A.M. would have already had seven singles out, before the album even came out. And that would be ridiculous. — Joseph Prasad (talk) 22:42, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Those are different situations, though. The songs were promoted themselves as singles from the album; therefore, their inclusion at singles from the album are warranted, especially per {{Infobox album}}. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 22:46, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, they aren’t, because again, the “singles” in this case are stated to be promotional singles, even in the article itself. Promotional singles do not count as official singles in any case. — Joseph Prasad (talk) 22:47, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I understand what you’re saying, however, when both “Chasing the Sun” and “All About You” were released, they were promoted as singles from the album itself, not promotional singles. Not to mention, the source for “All About You” mentions it as a single, not a promotional single. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 22:49, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If that was the case, that content saying “promo” should be removed. Plus the source in the sentence stating “On April 7, 2015, Duff released “Sparks” as the first official single from the album”, says first single. — Joseph Prasad (talk) 22:52, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You do realize anyone can edit Wikipedia, and can say whether something was promotional and/or the first single, without a single care. Citations within the article claim the aforementioned songs as singles, and “Sparks” as a subsequent followup release to them both. And actually, the source says first single of 2015, which is vastly different than first single from an album. Selective reading. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 22:54, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Take into account those sources were created before the revealing of the track listing. Songs not on the standard edition are not considered singles. Also Refer to the comment made by Traveltoromantis. — Joseph Prasad (talk) 23:05, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Even then, that is a re-write of history and we must stick to the source, which cite the aforementioned songs as singles from the album. I’d love to see a policy that explicits states that material not included on a standard edition means a song’s release does not equate a single. Never heard of such a thing, at all. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 23:09, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sources 1, 2, 3 4, and 5 as far as I can tell list “Sparks” as the first single. — Joseph Prasad (talk) 23:16, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just thought I’d note, those first two links seem slightly unreliable, especially the first one. 1, 2, 3 4, 5, all bring up the subject of either “Chasing the Sun” or “All About You”, or both, as singles from the album. This even explicits states, ““Chasing the Sun” is the first single from Duff’s fifth studio album, which she is currently recording.” livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 23:29, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I know a few of those were kind of unreliable, but sources after the album’s release say “Sparks” was the first single, I’m assuming because the other two songs were not including in the standard, or even deluxe track listing, and only came in a special edition that almost no one would buy. Plus, Ryan Seacrest’s site is as much a blog as Perez Hilton’s. — Joseph Prasad (talk) 00:15, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comparing Ryan Seacrest to Perez Hilton is like comparing The National Enquirer to The New York Times. Ryan has not made a career of exploiting celebrities; it’s a reliable source, and not a blog in the least. Again, you’re attempting to re-write history and ignore the evidence. The songs were promoted as singles from the album; the sources validate their release as singles. At this point, you’re attempting to pull on strings that don’t exist, especially since Wikipedia does not assume. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 00:21, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Exploiting celebrities? No, he does not. He’s a lot like any other celebrity site out there. It’s not an attempt to re-write history. By your logic you’re using here, if neither of these songs were included on any edition whatsoever, they would still be called singles just cause sources prior to the album’s release said they were. — Joseph Prasad (talk) 00:54, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Seacrest is a reliable source, unlike Perez Hilton. And no, you’re misinterpreting my so-called “logic”. It would be a completely different story if neither “Chasing the Sun” or “All About You” were excluded from any edition of the album, but they weren’t. Plus, as stated below, they were given mainstream radio releases, etc. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 01:10, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I’m a bit mixed on this issue now as the songs were added to the physical edition of an album (Japanese) whereas previously they were only given out on a card and not on any major digital retailers as part of the album. Both songs were definitely more than promo singles. However, these sources: 1, 2, 3, refer to “Sparks” as the album’s first single. Traveltoromantis (talk) 02:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, livelikemusic, not sure on the reliability of the source, but… this states “Hilary Duff released Chasing the Sun, a song that was believed to have been the lead single off of her new album”. Let’s see… 1, 2, 3, 4. Aside from that, her bios on iTunes, AllMusic, Spotify, and Pandora list “Preceded by the single “Sparks,” Breathe In. Breathe Out. saw a June release; it debuted at five on the Billboard charts.” — Joseph Prasad (talk) 03:20, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

*Agree with livelikemusic on this. They are singles from the album. stick to the source. — WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:39, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with livelikemusic. Both were released to mainstream radio, could be purchased as singles on iTunes, and according to the sources cited were indeed singles from the album. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 23:57, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

According to sources that didn’t know the track listing yet. — Joseph Prasad (talk) 00:16, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreeing with Livelikemusic. A single confirmed as a single by reliable sources is a single. IPadPerson (talk) 00:59, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Livelikemusic. Might be a long time but hey, I’m with you on this one. Andrew (talk) 08:42, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

The tracks “Belong” and “Rebel Hearts” are exclusive to the album in Target stores in the US, as well as Australia and Germany editions. Link below to confirm.

http://www.target.com/p/hilary-duff-breathe-in-breathe-out-target-exclusive/-/A-21485723#prodSlot=medium_1_1&term=breathe+in+breathe+out\

Also, the UK release has been pushed back to June 22 according to the amazon.com/uk page. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DLav87 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 6 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello All,

Please update this page with the following.

The Fanjoy $50 boxed set’s exclusive tracks have been revealed! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTRNyN5Y9os
They are “All About You”, “Chasing the Sun”, “Chasing the Sun” (David Aude Remix) and “Outlaw” (which was featured on Episode 9 of “Younger” as confirmed by Hilary herself.

Please update the page accordingly. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:199:300:3B80:493E:22D3:C891:B105 (talk) 23:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The Track listing for track #4 “Confetti” is incorrect and based on internet speculation regarding an unreleased song with a similar musical bed. Please change “John Adam Spark Jim Finn Kerli Koiv[16]” to: Matthew Koma, Kevin Nicholas Drew, Richard W. Nowels, Ellen Shipley They are the writers listed in the official liner notes for this song.

Also, for that same track #4 “Confetti” please add the correct producers: KDrew, Matthew Koma
Also, for track #5 “Breathe In. Breathe Out” please add: KDrew

Please contact any of the artists’ management if you have any questions about the validity of this change request.

EDMblogger (talk) 16:25, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Amortias (T)(C) 20:27, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I was able to download the Fanjoy tracks on 6/15/15, a day before the release of the album itself. I used the code and it worked fine. I’m wondering if there is a source of this information somewhere, and that we should specify this in the article somewhere….. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DLav87 (talk • contribs) 18:04, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn’t Dave Aude be credited for the remix to Chasing the sun?DLav87 (talk) 18:10, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I want to discuss about the two singles that was only included on Japan bonus tracks. I just want to say that just because the two singles are included doesn’t mean it’s a single. I didn’t remove it yet. I agreed back then as “Musicedit98” in 2016 before I changed my username, until now I opposed it. Raritydash (talk) 22:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do oppose regarding “Chasing the Sun” as the first single off the album. Livelikemusic told in his edit summary that this case is same as Mariah Carey‘s Me. I Am Mariah… The Elusive Chanteuse case, but actually it is not. Livelikemusic, standard edition of Chanteuse was released alongside its deluxe edition, thus including “The Art of Letting Go” complies the rule:
Do not include singles that were added as bonus tracks on a re-release of an album. Breathe In. Breathe Out was also released along with its deluxe edition, however, these two singles aren’t included in this edition. They are only included in Fanjoy and Japanese edition of the album, and these editions were not released alongside the standard edition. Thus, this case doesn’t comply the rule. Camilasdandelions (✉️) 06:43, 20 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Except they were, because that was Japan’s first release, because when there was not one universal release date for music (a.k.a. Global Release Day). Japan’s first known release date is August 5, 2015, which did include both “Chasing the Sun” and “All About You”—as cited in the article itself. It was not a Japanese re-issue; it was their original release. The other releases made available for imports, only. Therefore, it complies with the rule at {{Infobox album}} regarding singles. And as noted in the previous discussion ten years ago, the songs were promoted as singles from the album, itself. livelikemusic (TALK!) 15:52, 20 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t understand what “it was not a Japanese re-issue; it was their original release.” was supposed to mean, the Japanese edition was released on August 2015, and standard & deluxe edition was released on June. Thus they weren’t released simultaneously, as you see. That’s why I’m regarding it as a re-issue, as it also includes standard edition’s track listing. Camilasdandelions (✉️) 17:12, 20 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Again, as stated, releases were staggered; the release in Japan was the original release in Japan. Not a re-issue. Release dates prior to Global Release Day were staggered. I understand the viewpoint you are trying to maintain, but that only stands firm with releases following the initiation of Global Release Day. This release precedes that. Reissue is very specific in its definition (which you are ignoring). Per definition, a reissue is “In the music industry, a reissue (also re-release, repackage or re-edition) is a release of an album or single which has been released at least once before, sometimes with alterations or additions.” The August 2015 release in Japan was the first native release for that region, meaning, it was not released “once before” there. Therefore, it is Japan’s original release, making that edition not a reissue. To Japan, that was their first release available natively to them in their region. livelikemusic (TALK!) 17:37, 20 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I posted above but didn’t bother to tag anyone. I have to agree with Camila. What about for Home to Mama and Focus (Ariana Grande song), which are both Japanese tracks for a different album? Even the two songs; Birthday (Anne-Marie song) and To Be Young to be included on the Japanese version of Therapy (Anne-Marie album). Raritydash (talk) 01:38, 21 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I think I approximately understood your POV, livelikemusic, but still not agreeing with that. Why are you focusing on only Japanese version of the album? These singles are also included in 2022 digital “re-issue” edition, meaning that they are actually regarded as “bonus tracks” of the album. Furthermore, “Sparks” was promoted (and even written in Wikipedia) as the “lead single” from the album.

Watch Japanese edition tracklist (from eBay). “Chasing the Sun” and “All About You” are “bonus tracks”, not even just a regular track from the Japanese edition. That’s why it’s not proper to put these “bonus tracks” in {{Singles}}. Camilasdandelions (✉️) 01:43, 21 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Again, as stated prior, the release in Japan was that region’s original release; the fact they are labeled as “bonus tracks” does not mean they are excluded. Again, nit-picking and selectively choosing what {{Infobox album}} states is not going to sway the argument. It does not state bonus tracks cannot be considered singles. Only bonus tracks, which are additional, via a reissue are not to be included. The 2015 release in Japan was not a reissue (which should not be difficult to understand, honestly). And as noted in the previous consensus, both “Chasing the Sun” (especially) and “All About You” were promoted as singles from the planned fifth studio release, which meets the burnden of proof to prove them as singles from the finished Breathe In. Breathe Out. project. livelikemusic (TALK!) 04:01, 21 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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