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::Really, I find that sucks and if you continue to ignore everything I’ve said, I think you suck too. [[User:Strongwranglers|Strongwranglers]] ([[User talk:Strongwranglers|talk]]) 11:24, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

::Really, I find that sucks and if you continue to ignore everything I’ve said, I think you suck too. [[User:Strongwranglers|Strongwranglers]] ([[User talk:Strongwranglers|talk]]) 11:24, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

:::Local conventions are correct for those locales. McDonalds also uses “chicken burger” in some regions, such as https://www.mcdonalds.com/qa/en-qa/product/chicken-burger.html [[User:Belbury|Belbury]] ([[User talk:Belbury|talk]]) 11:38, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

:::Local conventions are correct for those locales. McDonalds also uses “chicken burger” in some regions, such as https://www.mcdonalds.com/qa/en-qa/product/chicken-burger.html [[User:Belbury|Belbury]] ([[User talk:Belbury|talk]]) 11:38, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

::::[https://www.smh.com.au/goodfood/recipes/five-chicken-burgers-that-taste-better-than-takeaway-20250320-p5ll3s.html One can even go beyond McDonalds.] And I see non-ground chicken patty there, so they must fail the correct meaning of “culinary”. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 11:41, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

::::[https://www.smh.com.au/goodfood/recipes/five-chicken-burgers-that-taste-better-than-takeaway-20250320-p5ll3s.html One can even go beyond McDonalds.] And I see non-ground chicken patty there, so they must fail the correct meaning of “culinary”. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 11:41, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Considering that this is an American dish and referred to domestically as a “chicken sandwich”, would it be appropriate to change this to a redirect to Chicken sandwich and move this content there? peerlessblue (talk) 02:04, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed . anonymous (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2025 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:5640:5700:89BC:2DC4:4DDD:E34C (talk) [reply]
That’s like redirecting “pizza” to “cheese sandwich”. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:40, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In the same regard sandwiches are British dishes and American “chicken sandwiches” do not constitute as one Abduba (talk) 02:36, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]


Agreed. It’s common convention and is merely a type of chicken sandwich.

Sources:

https://archive.org/details/eatingforlife00phil/mode/2up?q=%22chicken+sandwich%22
(“Eating for Life” by Bill Phillips, Publication date: 2003, Publisher: High Point Media)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/14/dining/field-guide-to-the-sandwich.html
“A Field Guide to the American Sandwich”
APRIL 14, 2015 By SAM SIFTON
“”Grilled Chicken”
Boneless chicken breast is grilled and served on a bun, often with lettuce, tomato and mayonnaise. According to the culinary historian Andrew F. Smith, the grilled chicken sandwich took off in the 1960s as it became associated with salads and dieting.”

If convention goes back over 100 years then these should be merged. I see no major issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chicken_sandwich#c-Strongwranglers-20250830044900-Merge_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_burger_with_Chicken_sandwich Strongwranglers (talk) 04:40, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion continues at Talk:Chicken sandwich#Merge Chicken_burger with Chicken_sandwich
Goldstaupe (talk) 02:31, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The summary of this article is riddled with problems.

First, it contradicts the premise of the article itself. It states “A chicken sandwich… is a chicken patty or filet, typically fried or grilled, served on a hamburger bun with similar condiments and toppings as on hamburgers. Obviously, not all chicken sandwiches are served on hamburger buns, as a cursory look at Chicken sandwich confirms, nor necessarily with similar condiments and toppings as on hamburgers. Assuming for the sake of argument that this definition is true and comprehensive, then the definition of “chicken burger” is in every way adequately covered by “chicken sandwich”, thus the article is redundant.

Second, the claim “falsely referred to as a chicken burger by incorrect common convention” is baseless, as there are no objective grounds on which to claim a common convention in language is false or incorrect; least of all in English, which unlike some other languages such as French and Spanish, has no official regulatory bodies. Therefore, the correctness of any definition is but common convention. Moreover, the fact that a distinct definition is given, namely “a chicken patty or filet, typically fried or grilled, served on a hamburger bun with similar condiments and toppings as on hamburgers” shows admission that the concept of a chicken burger as something distinct from chicken sandwiches in general does exist, regardless of whether or not the distinction is considered “correct”. Assuming for the sake of argument that the convention is somehow “incorrect”, though that notion is at best a matter of opinion, then the fact that the convention is “common” merits this article’s existence in itself, as any common misconception warrants description and explanation. Hence, I do not agree with the proposition to merge the article.

Third, the source given for the claim “In the United States, the term chicken burger is strictly used with a ground chicken patty” does not substantiate it. The source is merely a recipe for a chicken burger, it does not state that all chicken burgers are made thus.

I propose that the summary be completely rewritten, or at the very least edited for accuracy and objectivity. Goldstaupe (talk) 05:35, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ultimately, this article should be merged into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_sandwich, with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_burger becoming a subtype or variant similar to how different barbecue sandwiches are denoted by convention here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbecue_sandwich
Similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_chips, it can be noted as “Chicken Burger (British English and Hiberno-English)”, where essentially it’s an incorrect reference but commonly used in that local area enough to warrant inclusion on the article as to clear up confusion. Strongwranglers (talk) 06:13, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t disagree that if the article is to be merged, then the article should contain a section on the chicken burger, but you still provide no basis for calling it an “incorrect reference”. Not sure where you’re getting “British English and Hiberno-English” from either. Goldstaupe (talk) 06:57, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please refer to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_fries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_chips Strongwranglers (talk) 06:59, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://ia803207.us.archive.org/6/items/uptodatesandwich00full/uptodatesandwich00full.pdf
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/75893 (“THE UP-TO-DATE SANDWICH BOOK 400 Ways to Make a Sandwich” By EVA GREENE FULLER, 1909, The Caslon Press, Chicago)
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6792075/
“Type of Sandwich Consumption Within a US Dietary Pattern Can Be Associated with Better Nutrient Intakes and Overall Diet Quality: A Modeling Study Using Data from NHANES 2013–2014”
“grilled chicken/cheese/vegetable sandwiches”
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4283357/
“Sodium, Saturated Fat, and Trans Fat Content Per 1,000 Kilocalories: Temporal Trends in Fast-Food Restaurants, United States, 2000–2013”
“We analyzed the nutrient content of frequently ordered items from 3 US national fast-food chains: fried potatoes (large French fries), cheeseburgers (2-oz and 4-oz), and a grilled chicken sandwich.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by Strongwranglers (talk • contribs) 05:56, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/14/dining/field-guide-to-the-sandwich.html
“A Field Guide to the American Sandwich”
APRIL 14, 2015 By SAM SIFTON
“”
Grilled Chicken
Boneless chicken breast is grilled and served on a bun, often with lettuce, tomato and mayonnaise. According to the culinary historian Andrew F. Smith, the grilled chicken sandwich took off in the 1960s as it became associated with salads and dieting.
“” — Preceding unsigned comment added by Strongwranglers (talk • contribs) 05:51, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://archive.org/details/bestofbestfromvi0000mcke/mode/2up?q=%22chicken+sandwich%22
(“Best of the Best From Virginia: Selected Recipes From Virginia’s Favorite Cookbooks” by McKee, Gwen, Moseley, Barbara, Publication date:1991, Publisher: Quail Ridge Press, Brandon, MS)
https://archive.org/details/eatingforlife00phil/mode/2up?q=%22chicken+sandwich%22
(“Eating for Life” by Bill Phillips, Publication date: 2003, Publisher: High Point Media)
https://archive.org/details/food00powt/mode/2up?q=%22chicken+sandwich%22
(“Food” by Powter, Susan, Publication date: 1995, Publisher: Simon & Schuster)
https://archive.org/details/200chickenrecipe0000lewi/mode/2up?q=%22chicken+sandwich%22
(“200 Chicken Recipes” by Lewis, Sara, Publication date: 2009, Publisher: Hamlyn, London, UK)
https://archive.org/details/southernliving1900leis/mode/2up?q=%22chicken+sandwich%22
(“Southern Living 1995 Annual Recipes” by Southern Living, Publication date: 1995, Publisher:Oxmoor House, Birmingham, AL) Strongwranglers (talk) 07:03, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are you literally just hitting up the Internet Archive for every cookbook that agrees with you? Or do I need to point out that a burger is a specific sort of sandwich and that the definition you’re trying to push here is too broad? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 07:15, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please see the convention used at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbecue_sandwich; “Regional variations” are listed. It’s reasonable to conform to the same convention in this case, along with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_fries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_chips
Which also do not use a local variant or reference to refer to the item.
crisps (British English and Hiberno-English)
finger chips (Indian English)
“Fried Chicken Breast Sandwich, also known as a Chicken Burger (British English and Hiberno-English)”
would be the correct way to denote the regional dialect variance of an existing item by all previous convention. Strongwranglers (talk) 07:22, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None of the sources you listed support your argument that the term “chicken burger” is incorrect in any way, nor that it is a regional dialect variance. Please stop wasting our time. Goldstaupe (talk) 19:10, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/full-menu/chicken-and-fish-sandwiches.html
https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/product/mcchicken-sandwich.html
The McChicken is listed globally as a “Sandwich” and is sorted under “Burgers” due to incorrect local convention, as I mentioned.
Please provide sources to substantiate your claim, of which so far, I have seen none. WP:RSP
Please also look at: WP:CIVIL Strongwranglers (talk) 21:09, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, your source does not in any way substantiate your claim. I have already explained why your sources fail to substantiate it and I feel no need to repeat myself. There is nothing for me to substantiate as I am not making a claim at all.
Since you are failing to fulfill the very same standards of reliable sources you cite and are not acknowledging what I said, I am asking you civilly to please stop wasting time. Goldstaupe (talk) 23:03, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CIVIL; Can you substantiate your argument please?
“Again, your source does not in any way substantiate your claim.”
I disagree, it clearly states even in the URL that the McChicken is a Sandwich. Not sure what’s disagreeable here.Strongwranglers (talk) 08:07, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, all of the references in the article are to “Chicken Sandwiches”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_sandwich_wars
One of the images in the article is from Chicken Sandwich Wars, and the other is the McChicken which is clearly stated to be a Sandwich at every reference for it.

In fact, the only difference between the UK and the US site is that the UK site incorrectly lists every chicken sandwich as a “burger”, which, to support my argument, is local convention but not correct. This is also why the McChicken is still listed as a Sandwich for the individual item.

I can’t find any references online which aren’t merely using a local convention to discuss the term, which is not in line with other articles in the WP:WikiProject Food and drink.

I’ve looped them in to gain consensus, but all of the primary and secondary sources support what I’ve previously said.

Additionally if you consult the references for the article, https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/tcyt20/2017/00000015/00000001/art00002;jsessionid=2csn18p2l7abl.x-ic-live-01# (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chicken_burger&oldid=1273601594)
“minced chicken breast”
All of the culinary or primary source references to a “Chicken Burger” are consistent with it being a minced patty similar to a hamburger; this is the correct use of the term.

Chicken Burger in reference to a Fried Chicken Breast Sandwich is again, incorrectly used local convention.

WP:ILIKEIT isn’t a strong enough argument in this case when all of the primary and secondary sources disagree.

See also:
https://popeyesuk.com/menu/the-classic-chicken-sandwich

https://www.jollibee.uk/menu#chicken-sandwich

All references list it as a “Chicken Sandwich”.

Strongwranglers (talk) 23:33, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So you think the term “chicken burger” is incorrect because no online recipes or fast food websites use it? As I explained at the beginning of this section, Your own admission that the term is common convention proves that false, but just to humor you, here are some examples: 2601:180:8300:5390:7DAC:7BFA:3178:381C (talk) 05:03, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that it has no sources to support it which you seem to agree with here, and seems to be the overall consensus.
Again, please provide sources. Strongwranglers (talk) 08:20, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/next-level-chicken-burgers
https://www.chelseasmessyapron.com/chicken-burger/
https://www.andy-cooks.com/blogs/recipes/buffalo-chicken-burger?srsltid=AfmBOoq1ql8SbOvl8ShStP6Fjl0pEZ98sBBH5_hBjZu8QLRcj8tihDs1
https://recipe30.com/garlic-chili-bbq-chicken-burgers.html/
And if you still don’t believe me, here’s a Washington-based restaurant called The Little Chicken Burger:
https://www.thelittlechickenburger.com/
No one is disputing the fact that a chicken burger is a type of chicken sandwich. What is being debated, apparently, is that the term “chicken burger” is a local convention but not correct, which as I already explained is impossible and contradicts the text of the summary. If you persist in refusing to acknowledge these facts, this reply will be my last. Goldstaupe (talk) 05:24, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes these are all local references based in the UK incorrectly to the dish.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/fried_chicken_sandwich_58048
Your references are inconsistent. Strongwranglers (talk) 08:11, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These sources are not reputable. In addition:
these are all conventional (and incorrect) local references. (as previously demonstrated)
Showing more articles that a few people in the UK and Ireland call French Fries “chips” is again, WP:ILIKEIT
“If you persist in refusing to acknowledge these facts, this reply will be my last.”
Great! Thanks! Have a good day and no need to continue, again, none of what you have said is substantial in regards to what this article is trying to accomplish. Please consult WP:CIVIL before further responses and have a great day. Strongwranglers (talk) 08:17, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
“No one is disputing the fact that a chicken burger is a type of chicken sandwich.”
Great! Then we’ll merge the article into Chicken_Sandwich without much further ado. It should be specified it’s a type of Indian English to refer to a Chicken Sandwich as a “Chicken Burger” but beyond that I see no further clarifications needed and since you agree it is not in dispute, it can exist under Chicken Sandwich. Strongwranglers (talk) 08:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please refrain from making destructive edits without discussion.
WP:BATTLEGROUND, WP:CIVIL… please consult these.
Thanks. Strongwranglers (talk) 18:43, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I already discussed this matter in quite sufficient detail; my condolences that you weren’t there for it.
As a TL;DR for anyone just joining us, Strongwranglers is claiming, among other things, that “The culinary term Chicken Burger is strictly used in reference to a ground chicken patty”. I have provided counterexamples to this, which Strongwranglers is ignoring. Moreover, none of the sources that Strongwranglers cites state nor imply that all chicken burgers are made with ground chicken patties.
All further justification for edits I made earlier today is given at the beginning of this section. Goldstaupe (talk) 04:23, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have included 6 primary references in the article to that matter. Instead of discussing changes with myself and other editors, you make destructive and surreptitious edits. None of your claims are backed by sources. Strongwranglers (talk) 05:16, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I already explained more times than necessary why your sources are insufficient. I did include sources in my edits, and did so in a manner that displays both sides of the argument. You’re welcome. I am having a great time at this entirely unilateral discussion of my edits and would be thrilled for you to join me.
In the meantime, it would be great to have a member with moderation privileges weigh in on this. Goldstaupe (talk) 05:34, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your edit removes 6 primary sources in favor of a “linkedin” blog post.
Can you explain why you believe 6 primary sources should be disfavored as opposed to “linkedin”?
Really, I do understand that you WP:ILIKEIT, but can you substantiate that with sources ideally before making destructive edits?
To wit:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0570178314000074
https://doi.org/10.1080%2F19476337.2016.1193057
https://www.thepioneerwoman.com/food-cooking/recipes/a35823574/chicken-burgers-recipe/
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-research-on-determination-of-quality-of-chicken-Uran-Yilmaz/8ea2ea37843d1779e0eeba2abfe5fe1e257dd6f0
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0032579119464249
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Effect-of-different-chloride-salts-on-chicken-Incesu-Akk%C3%B6se/0252c896f018fdaefa582b1ff344926cfe0e5b5e
Were removed and replaced with:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/great-debate-chicken-burger-vs-sandwich-whats-mazin-kanuga
Can you potentially illuminate me as to how you feel a linkedin blog should take precedence over 6 primary sources?
You seem to make these edits without explaining that and I am asking for you to justify that behavior.
Thank you.
Strongwranglers (talk) 05:38, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One more time, and this will be the last: None of the sources you cite state nor imply that all chicken burgers are made with ground chicken patties. They are only singular examples of such sandwiches being referred to as “chicken burgers”.
I included a blog post from LinkedIn that does clearly state the opinion that all chicken burgers are made with chicken patties. It is, in fact, a source that might actually support your side here. I included it for objectivity’s sake, as proof that that perspective is held by some, and also included a different source stating the opposing perspective. Goldstaupe (talk) 05:48, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Linkedin isn’t a primary or reliable source.
Please consult WP:RSP. Removing primary sources which establish fact is contradictory to the goal of the Wikipedia project. Strongwranglers (talk) 05:50, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, “None of the sources you cite state nor imply that all chicken burgers are made with ground chicken patties”, to your point, the opposite is true.
Every source explicitly states that a “Chicken burger” is a ground/minced patty in some form or fashion.
Take a look at the sources before you make claims about them.
My goodness… Strongwranglers (talk) 05:51, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In fact I think even merely indicating that the sources do say what they say is not enough at this juncture.
Please review the following:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0570178314000074
“Fresh chicken burger samples were prepared as follows ingre-
dients in (Table 1) which were minced twice, “
https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/tandf/tcyt20/2017/00000015/00000001/art00002;jsessionid=3hlbku1j14li4.x-ic-live-01
“2. Materials and methods
2.1. Materials
Frozen minced chicken breast, “
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-research-on-determination-of-quality-of-chicken-Uran-Yilmaz/8ea2ea37843d1779e0eeba2abfe5fe1e257dd6f0
“2 Materials and methods
2.1 Preparation of material
Common procedures was followed for burger production. Fresh, purified from the skin of chicken breast meat was used as a raw material. Chicken meat is well grounded”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0032579119464249
“Development and Evaluation of Chickenburger Formulations and Effect of Beating Time Incorporating Underutilized Poultry Meats”
[…] “ground or mechanically deboned meat”
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Effect-of-different-chloride-salts-on-chicken-Incesu-Akk%C3%B6se/0252c896f018fdaefa582b1ff344926cfe0e5b5e
“Chicken burgers are processed meat product
frequently consumed in fast-food restaurants, and
prepared by mixing minced chicken and animal fat
with different spices and additives including NaCl.”
It simply cannot be more clear. Strongwranglers (talk) 05:56, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The LinkedIn post in question is in fact a primary source, as it is someone stating their personal opinion on a matter that is entirely opinion.
Your sources are only examples of chicken patties referred to as “chicken burgers”. That is not substantive, it is like taking six examples of people saying “my car is blue” and using it as proof that all cars are blue. Goldstaupe (talk) 05:57, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please refer to WP:RSP, linkedin is not a primary source. Strongwranglers (talk) 05:58, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My sources go back to 1984 and are authoritative.
Unless you can demonstrate that what I have sourced as factual information is somehow incorrect… again, you are arguing destructively and aggressively for something that WP:ILIKEIT, as opposed to reality. Strongwranglers (talk) 05:59, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please also consult WP:REPUTABLE, WP:BURDEN, WP:RS, WP:NOTRS Strongwranglers (talk) 06:15, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
“it is considered generally unreliable and should be avoided unless the post is used for an uncontroversial self-description.”
This example is in fact uncontroversial self-description, as the author is describing herself as holding the opinion that all chicken burgers are made with ground chicken patties.
I have already stated, at the beginning of this section and in my edits, why your assertion that “The culinary term “chicken burger” is strictly used in reference to a ground chicken patty” is incorrect; for the final time, there are examples, which I have already cited, of the term “chicken burger” being used for other types of chicken sandwiches. This subject is entirely a matter of opinion anyway because the English language has no official regulatory body, therefore there is no objective basis to state that either view is correct or incorrect beyond the realm of opinion.
I believe I have made my all points very abundantly clear and will not be partaking in this discussion any further for the time being. Do not consider this any sort of victory, as you have failed to persuade me. Goldstaupe (talk) 06:20, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I want to state that I truly understand your point.
If one were to consider a large group of Germans beginning to call a Doner kebab a “Haggis” if it included rice or oats, I think this would similarly be an incorrect local reference.
In other words: no matter how many Germans call a Doner kebab a Haggis, this does not magically transform a Haggis into a Doner kebab and as a result, even if many people incorrectly use such a reference, it should be noted, just as with literally it’s merely incorrect convention.
If you have sources which demonstrate otherwise I am open to discussion, however, you have not provided them.
Further, it would be extremely appreciated if you would engage in a dialogue as opposed to a destructive edit.
If you see elsewhere on the Talk page, I am more than happy to make any edits which bring this article further inline with the WP:WikiProject Food and drink.
As opposed to bickering, we can reach a constructive and valuable end-product for the article. Strongwranglers (talk) 06:36, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your use of Germans as an example shows that I may have come short in explaining something I thought was obvious. The German language, unlike English, does have official governing bodies, such as the Council for German Orthography. I do not doubt that they have decided upon an official definition for “doner kebab” and for “haggis”, which the addition of rice or oats to a doner kebab may or may not affect; either way it is a fact you can look up and say is correct or not.
English does not work like that. There is no universally recognized authority on the English language. The closest thing we have to it is the dictionary, but there is really no such thing as “the” dictionary per se, as different dictionaries may disagree with each other. This is because, without a regulator, all definitions in English are and can only be common convention. I too find it a bit annoying when people use the word “literally” to mean “figuratively”, but I realize that I would have no leg to stand on were I to say it is incorrect. In English the dictionary follows common parlance more than vice versa, and modern dictionaries are catching up on this issue in particular. Even Wiktionary is. Goldstaupe (talk) 18:52, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please consult WP:BATTLEGROUND, no one is “winning” or “losing”.
That said I do find it -very- strange you seem to think that a Chicken Sandwich can create a description about itself. uncontroversial self-description would mean a Chicken Sandwich made a linkedin post about itself.
Not sure that is possible Strongwranglers (talk)
Obviously that’s not what I meant, now you’re just ridiculing me. I take no personal offense, but for the sake of your own reputation, I kindly advise you to desist from preaching the guidelines of respect and civility in such a holier-than-thou manner as you have. Goldstaupe (talk) 19:07, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Acting in a ridiculous manner tends to leave one open to ridicule, as a rule. Strongwranglers (talk) 08:55, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As per WP:SDFORMAT, the short description should be “Sandwich or burger patty made with chicken”; that is, the leading “A ” should not exist. Could someone with permission to edit this article fix that? — LucasBrown 11:28, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi LucasBrown, I will fix that after the protection period has ended. That said, this article is slated for merge/move to Chicken Sandwich. Cleanup of the style will likely occur after the move. If you have any questions or comments please let me know. Strongwranglers (talk) 09:52, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi LucasBrown, this is complete. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Strongwranglers (talk • contribs) 18:37, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi LucasBrown, I’m requesting that you could weigh in on the dispute resolution topic here. If you can let other editors who are involved in this article know as well, please do. WP:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Chicken burger Strongwranglers (talk) 08:59, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello to all editors who have worked on this article thus far:
As of 9/2/25, the article has been protected as a number of times due to non-constructive edit wars.

Previously, this article existed as a semi-WP:STUB, and lacked references. Upon adding additional references, it became clear that the article was largely related more to Chicken sandwich as opposed to local references within (Indian English, British English, and Hiberno-English), similar in the way to how French Fries are referred to as “chips” in these countries.

Within the same vein of the article:”literally“, this article should be noted as a local convenience or incorrect reference to the item. Specifically, this would be to disambiguate between the standard culinary and scientific reference to a Chicken Burger being a type of patty, such as the Hamburger article describes:

“By linguistic rebracketing, the term “burger” eventually became a self-standing word that is associated with many different types of sandwiches that are similar to a hamburger, but contain different meats such as buffalo in the buffalo burger, venison, kangaroo, chicken, turkey, elk, lamb or fish such as salmon in the salmon burger, and even with meatless sandwiches as is the case of the veggie burger.”

Indeed, much like how there is no article for a “Turkey Burger” or “Salmon Burger”, the same convention should be assumed here.

To wit:
In the case of “Salmon Burger“, a redirect to “Fish sandwich” is made.

Truly I see no difference in this case. Furthermore, all supporting sources and literature which I have found support that position.

We can list Chicken burger as a variant of Indian English on the Chicken sandwich page, and this would merge the article as is inline with all sources and the rest of the WP:F&D project.

Hoping to gather all thoughts here but I believe this is a thoughtful and accurate conclusion to the article’s current existence. Strongwranglers (talk) 07:24, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I have stated before, your assertion that the term “chicken burger” is localized to Indian, British or Hiberno-English is entirely unfounded.
As I have also previously stated, though I admit I may have fallen short in details, an absolute statement like “The culinary term Chicken Burger is strictly used in reference to a ground chicken patty” is proven false by so much as a single counterexample, of which there are many. If you just changed the word “strictly” to “usually” I wouldn’t even argue with that. Goldstaupe (talk) 19:02, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
None of the sources provided agree with this position so unfortunately I am going to disagree here and dismiss your argument. Please see elsewhere on the talk page where I have enumerated why, I don’t feel a need to repeat myself.
“Your assertion that the term “chicken burger” is localized to Indian, British or Hiberno-English is entirely unfounded.”
https://www.news18.com/viral/man-receives-chicken-burger-instead-of-paneer-what-happens-next-is-shocking-aa-9204841.html
https://www.ndtv.com/bangalore-news/billed-for-chicken-burger-bengaluru-man-sues-mcdonalds-for-rs-2-crore-7152327
https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/kfc-chicken-burger-vegetarian-woman-consumer-redressal-commission-9507310/
https://www.thehansindia.com/business/mcdonalds-india-debuts-international-favourite-mccrispy-chicken-burger-and-first-ever-crispy-veggie-burger-907979 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Strongwranglers (talk • contribs) 01:54, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
^ Indian sources I find list it as such. I will update the references in the article after the protection period ends to indicate this is the case.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/garyocchiogrosso/2025/04/14/never-ending-chicken-sandwich-wars-americas-most-intense-qsr-battle/
https://popeyesuk.com/menu/the-classic-chicken-sandwich
“sandwich”
https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/product/mcchicken-sandwich.html
“sandwich”
Chicken Sandwich Wars, Chick-fil-A: “the largest chain specializing in chicken sandwiches”
Furthermore, you have repeatedly attempted to make surreptitious edits to the article without using the talk page, only doing so to stipulate that you have an agenda to push despite sources.
I understand you WP:ILIKEIT, the term.
However your appreciation of the article falls second to current convention and practice.
It would be very nice if you responded directly to what I have said in the service of trying to bring this article in line with every other article I have found in the WP:F&D project.
Strongwranglers (talk) 01:25, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not replying to Strongwranglers here because everything I said in my numerous very direct responses to him over the past couple days seems to have gone in one ear and full speed out the other; but for anyone else who’s interested, I did use the talk page before editing the page. My edits were in no way “surreptitious”, I fully justified and explained each one and said “see talk page” in the edit summary.
He opposes the aforementioned counterexamples to his thesis purely because in his opinion the sources are not reputable, as if a clear published example of someone using a term is not proof that the term is sometimes used. Goldstaupe (talk) 02:03, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and by the way, not that it’s needed, but here’s yet another example of the term “chicken burger” being used in the USA:
https://www.mysanantonio.com/food/article/p-terrys-menu-new-items-21026368.php
“In addition to its own Dr Pepper shake, P. Terry’s is also introducing a new limited-time Buffalo ranch chicken burger this month. The burger is made with the option of grilled or crispy chicken, Swiss cheese, creamy Buffalo ranch, and pickles.” Goldstaupe (talk) 02:07, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You consulted no other editor, claim things which are contradictory to reality and don’t seem to want to be WP:CIVIL.
I’ll simply move this article’s state to dispute resolution if this continues.
I’m not here to engage in argumentation that isn’t validated by fact. Strongwranglers (talk) 02:35, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
By all means please do move this article’s state to dispute resolution if it’s within your power to do so, I’ve done my very best but that seems to be the only solution. Goldstaupe (talk) 02:57, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
“I’ve done my very best but that seems to be the only solution.”
Your “very best” involves ripping over 8 sources out of an article to replace them with a linkedin blog, without consulting anyone. Your “very best” consists of removing the content of others, not alerting them through this talk page or the user talk page, and then griping when you’re called out on it.
Is this comment meant to be ironic or a joke?
Your “very best” at this point should be walking away before you do more damage to your reputation. I created this topic on the talk page to encourage collaboration and you decide to bicker. Highly disappointing.
Every other editor on this article has been congenial and forthcoming about mistakes or updates needed, of which there have been a few and they have been corrected.
At this point, I’m going to cordially ask you to step away from the project. I think the rest of us have “got it”, as it were.
Strongwranglers (talk) 03:29, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Short description should not be wikilinked.

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{{Short description|Burger patty made with chicken, also a reference to [[Chicken Sandwich]]}}

 +

{{Short description|Burger patty made with chicken, also a reference to

KuyaMoHirowo • he/him (DM me on Discord at kuyamohirowo (DMs are open!)) :3 • View profile on Carrd 00:37, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch KuyaMoHirowo, will fix after protection period ends. Strongwranglers (talk) 01:22, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! KuyaMoHirowo • he/him (DM me on Discord at kuyamohirowo (DMs are open!)) :3 • View profile on Carrd 01:24, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi KuyaMoHirowo, I’m requesting that you could weigh in on the dispute resolution topic here. If you can let other editors who are involved in this article know as well, please do. WP:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Chicken burger Strongwranglers (talk) 08:58, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have done this, thank you for catching it. Lectonar (talk) 13:08, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Lectonar! Strongwranglers (talk) 14:45, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References to a chicken burger being a patty have been updated in the Patty article.
Content from Chicken burger has been merged to Chicken sandwich.

As such, I’m suggesting the article should be marked for deletion and updated as a redirect:
Chicken burger –> Patty.

Another option would be to add/update a disambiguation page or similar to handle redirects to both Chicken sandwich or Patty respectively from Chicken burger. Similar to Chips.

Strongwranglers (talk) 09:46, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A merge discussion was started at Talk:Chicken sandwich recently, but neither article was tagged to announce this. So a request that such a template be added below the hatnotes on this article:

{{merge to|Chicken sandwich|discuss=Talk:Chicken sandwich#Merge Chicken_burger with Chicken_sandwich|date=September 2025}}

Belbury (talk) 14:20, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

̶T̶r̶y̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶t̶a̶l̶k̶ ̶p̶a̶g̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶’̶s̶ ̶l̶i̶t̶e̶r̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶p̶i̶c̶.̶
̶F̶-̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶e̶f̶f̶o̶r̶t̶.̶
This was in error. My apologies.
Strongwranglers (talk) 14:22, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
User:Strongwranglers – What the ***? The request is to put a {{merge}} template at the top of the article page, not on a talk page. Only an admin can put it on top of the article page because the article page is locked. Please read the request carefully before insulting the requester. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:36, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Addendum: I have sent an apology to the other user and retracted my comment without removing the text such that the context is preserved.
This was an error. I’ll take your comment as a note that I should step back and be more
courteous. Mea culpa. (I am only human, just like the rest of us) Strongwranglers (talk) 00:38, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Strongwranglers: Did you even read the request before you decided to mock the requestor? They’re not asking that the talk page be tagged with a mergeto. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:10, 8 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You’re right, and this was my mistake.
I sent the other user an apology. Strongwranglers (talk) 01:06, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Belbury (talk · contribs), sorry about my previous comment. I hope you can accept an apology and we can move forward from this. It’s not my intention to bicker with others. In that moment I got frustrated and misinterpreted what you wrote. I’ll do better moving forward and I hope we can put this behind us. Strongwranglers (talk) 01:05, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for retracting your comment. —Belbury (talk) 08:11, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just want to say sorry again… you did a good thing.
And no problem! Wikipedia is a community and collaborative process. We shouldn’t lose sight of that goal despite feelings in the moment. Thanks for being forgiving as well. Mea Culpa. Strongwranglers (talk) 06:33, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: The page’s protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:57, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So it has. Thanks, done. Belbury (talk) 12:07, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A fried chicken breast sandwich, also known as a chicken burger (Indian English, British English and Hiberno-English) incorrectly by convention…

Countries that don’t use the US naming of a food item are not “incorrect” to do so. Belbury (talk) 08:49, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. However, as we have seen there is some controversy over what is considered the “correct” definition of “chicken burger”, and I propose the addition of a section to elaborate on this. Goldstaupe (talk) 22:11, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:TEND. Be cautious here. Strongwranglers (talk) 03:49, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a “nationalistic” judgement. Chicken burger has an accepted culinary use which sources dating back every 1-2 years for 100s of years supports. Strongwranglers (talk) 03:48, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. People use words differently from how I do it =/= wrong. Of course, people sometimes feels strongly on these things.
To quote one writer: “Expect a blank look if you’re in the States and ask for a chicken burger ‘cause they ain’t got a clue what the hell you’re talking about. We might both speak English but we speak a different language, if you know what I mean. Don’t start jumping up and down and throwing a hissy saying they’re wrong and I’m right rubbish. It’s just what we call burgers, Americans call sandwiches. Unless it’s minced beef, then we’re on the same page.“
Slightly off-topic for this thread, but the “The culinary term chicken burger is strictly used in reference to a ground chicken patty.[5][6][7][8][9][10]” seems to insist that “And if anyone ever called something with a filé in it a chicken burger, they’re WRONG!!!“. Perhaps burgers will be the next WP:CTOP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:52, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps it is because I have actually worked as a professional chef that leaves me with the utterly banal impression that things are what they are.
Arguing against reality as you’re doing is an argument for crapification. I find it to be utterly stupid and unconvincing, and ultimately being done because you want to push a point of view.
Magically not being able to understand that there is some food item, which, for hundreds of years, meant one specific thing isn’t a good argument for why that shouldn’t be included in favor of a local convention which is incorrect.
https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/full-menu/chicken-and-fish-sandwiches.html
https://www.mcdonalds.com/gb/en-gb/product/mcchicken-sandwich.html
The article previously listed a ‘chicken burger’ which is literally called a chicken sandwich when you go to the website for it.
But you know, everyone will ignore the thousands of words I have typed on this subject to push their personal views.
Really, I find that sucks and if you continue to ignore everything I’ve said, I think you suck too. Strongwranglers (talk) 11:24, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Local conventions are correct for those locales. McDonalds also uses “chicken burger” in some regions, such as https://www.mcdonalds.com/qa/en-qa/product/chicken-burger.html Belbury (talk) 11:38, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One can even go beyond McDonalds. And I see non-ground chicken patty there, so they must fail the correct meaning of “culinary”. Now, let’s all go and have a friendly game of football. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:41, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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