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If you try to sort by the column “available,” it sorts by months alphabetically rather than by date.

Possible workarounds:

1. Use dates in format YYYY-MM or YYYY-MM-M (Good for reasons of standards compliance)
2. Keep dates in current M-YYYY format but prefix each date with an invisible string that sorts better (Good because it lets you keep loose dates like “Early 2018”)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.98.89.55 (talk)

The article mentions Linux compatibility but the entire OS is already Linux-based and each program of ChromeOS is thus already a Linux application. Technically Crouton enables compatibility specifically with applications relying on the GNU environment. This difference is already mentioned here.
Now the wording does not make much sense as Linux compatibility would imply ChromeOS is not already Linux. Would it make sense to update this paragraph? It refers to application compatibility that relates specifically to having a GNU environment running on top of ChromeOS Linux. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A10:3781:2B33:0:0:0:0:B66 (talk) 21:40, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That does make sense. – Ahunt (talk) 23:13, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I hope the modification I just did makes it more clear what’s going on. 18:34, 30 December 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A10:3781:2B33:0:0:0:0:18C (talk)

No that was not clarifying or constructive. Please propose some text here for consensus. – Ahunt (talk) 20:16, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I guess it would make sense to use the changes I had put on the page then as a proposal for a modified text here. The difference to the current version is very small, so I will just describe the differences. First of all now there is this sentence “ChromeOS, which runs on Chromebooks is already based on the Linux kernel, but it does not provide default support for Linux-based applications.” This reads somewhat awkward as all ChromeOS default applications are inherently Linux-based. I had changed the last part so it became “but it does not provide default support for applications that expect a GNU-based system.”. Another variant might be a smaller change where “Linux-based applications” would simply become “GNU/Linux-based applications”. That is the most common way it is described, but it is less explicit. That was the version I had put a bit lower so it became “Google maintains a list of devices that were launched before 2019, which support GNU/Linux applications.”. Technically all devices support Linux applcations. Only specific ones support GNU/Linux applications. How do you think this could be improved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A10:3781:2B33:0:0:0:0:18C (talk • contribs) 21:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For one thing we don’t use the term “GNU/Linux” on Wikipedia, except under very specific conditions, such as in describing a distro that uses the term in its formal name. See MOS:LINUX. It is just a synonym for “Linux” anyway. So your wording would need to be reworked to make sense in that context. – Ahunt (talk) 21:52, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems there is a misunderstanding. The GNU project and Linux projects are not directly related. Linux by itself is a kernel and exposes APIs towards applications that can run on top of it. The GNU libraries and utilities are much older and were ported to run on top of Linux. This combination is referred to as GNU/Linux. There are multiple Linux distributions that use this as their base. Some however use a different toolset on top, such as Alpine which uses a lot of GNU tools, but a different C library and a different shell. There is also Android which uses Linux for its kernel, but its user environment is different and not derived from the GNU project. Similarly ChromeOS uses a different environment, but because many people are used to software from the GNU project, such as GNU Bash and many applications rely on libaries and tools from the GNU project Crostini was added to host a Debian environment. When using ChromeOS all applications, whether native to ChromeOS itself or whether running inside of Crostini are Linux applications. The ones in Crostini distingiush themselves primarily because they are built against the GNU C library. Having Debian as its base also ensures that all typical GNU tools are available, especially on the command-line. Note that GNU was also ported to other platforms. There is for instance Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, which uses the FreeBSD kernel. Another port is to Cygwin allowing to use a GNU environment on MS Windows. I hope this explains the relation between GNU and Linux and why GNU/Linux is different from Linux. For instance Android and ChromeOS are Linux-based, but not GNU/Linux based. Debian can be called Linux-based and GNU/Linux based. 22:58, 11 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A10:3781:2B33:0:0:0:0:B66 (talk)

Sure I understand all of what you are saying, I am familiar with all that history, but as noted, here in Wikipedia by longstanding consensus, we do not use the term GNU/Linux, except to refer to a distribution that formally uses it in its name, so if you want to describe what is going on in ChromeOS you will need to find a different way of saying it. If you want to see the background on that decision you should read Talk:Linux including all the archives of that page, to get the history of the problem as well as Talk:Linux/Name as this is where past consensuses have been formed. You will also want to read GNU/Linux naming controversy and its talk page, as well. – Ahunt (talk) 23:30, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah I was not aware of that. I remember Linux was popular for GNU/Linux when essentially all distributions used GNU. With the advent of non-GNU distributions generally GNU/Linux is more common than before in my experience. My Smart TV is Linux-based, but sadly doesn’t just let me easily get a Bash shell and install my own stuff 🙂 Thanks for pointing to these pages on Wikipedia!! So what if I would replace “GNU/Linux applications” with “Crostini” in that final sentence? The rest of the text did not use “GNU/Linux” as a term. Maybe there are other things that could be improved? 15:41, 12 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A10:3781:2B33:0:0:0:0:B66 (talk)

That sounds like it would work better. Why don’t you propose a fresh version of the text here and we can have a look? – Ahunt (talk) 16:45, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It would become: “In May 2018, Google announced it would make Linux desktop applications available on Chromebooks via a virtual machine code-named “Crostini”. ChromeOS, which runs on Chromebooks is already based on the Linux kernel, but it does not provide default support for applications that expect a GNU-based system. Crostini left the beta stage in May 2021 as part of release 91. Google maintains a list of devices that were launched before 2019, which support Crostini.” 18:36, 12 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A10:3781:2B33:0:0:0:0:B66 (talk)

Sure, that looks fine. – Ahunt (talk) 18:59, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I updated the page. Thank you for the help! 11:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A10:3781:2B33:0:0:0:0:B66 (talk)

Looks good. It can be a bit of a slow process, but collaboration works! – Ahunt (talk) 11:53, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed! Great!! Thank you so much! 15:14, 15 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A10:3781:2B33:0:0:0:0:B66 (talk)

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InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There’s a popular trend right now that people would destroy that device by using sharp objects in the part of the device 76.121.149.140 (talk) 01:02, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I don’t see a section named that. So this could be added 76.121.149.140 (talk) 02:53, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It’s called the “Chromebook challenge” if you are curious about the thing. Also, there are online sources out there with evidence but it’s not listed in that article. The section could be named “Chromebook TikTok trend” or “Chromebook challenge trend” or something else related to that 76.121.149.140 (talk) 03:47, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thousands of Internet trends emerge every month. It’s unlikely to be notable on the grand scheme of things. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:43, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even though that is true, I did find a lot of online sources stating that which is a issue. For example, the article A Minecraft Movie mentions the TikTok trend thing. So that means in this article, it should also mention the Chromebook challenge problem 76.121.149.140 (talk) 01:29, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then WP:GOFORIT if you can find reliable sources that demonstrate notability. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:21, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update: It looks like an article for the trend was recently created and is now up for deletion, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chromebook challenge. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:22, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]