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:::I don’t know about the Wizard of Earthsea, but James and the Giant peach does seem like Children’s to me. Start Trek and I Dream of Jeanie less so. The thing is, our opinion doesn’t matter, because our opinions are [[WP:OR]].

:::I don’t know about the Wizard of Earthsea, but James and the Giant peach does seem like Children’s to me. Start Trek and I Dream of Jeanie less so. The thing is, our opinion doesn’t matter, because our opinions are [[WP:OR]].

:::For what it’s worth, the way I interpret the above quote is less about whether fantasy elements exist, but more like whether the world itself is fantastical. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory has some bizarre stuff inside, but the world it’s set in is by assumption mundane. Ditto James and the Giant Peach; the fantastical happens only to the subjects of the story. Harry Potter, by contrast, has magic implied to be everywhere in the world (with muggles just blind to it). That’s my interpretation, but that also would be [[WP:OR]] to put into the article, as it’s not a bald, straightforward reading of what [[WP:RS]] say, which is what we DO put into the article. [[User:EducatedRedneck|EducatedRedneck]] ([[User talk:EducatedRedneck|talk]]) 20:16, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

:::For what it’s worth, the way I interpret the above quote is less about whether fantasy elements exist, but more like whether the world itself is fantastical. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory has some bizarre stuff inside, but the world it’s set in is by assumption mundane. Ditto James and the Giant Peach; the fantastical happens only to the subjects of the story. Harry Potter, by contrast, has magic implied to be everywhere in the world (with muggles just blind to it). That’s my interpretation, but that also would be [[WP:OR]] to put into the article, as it’s not a bald, straightforward reading of what [[WP:RS]] say, which is what we DO put into the article. [[User:EducatedRedneck|EducatedRedneck]] ([[User talk:EducatedRedneck|talk]]) 20:16, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

:I don’t know about the prevalence of [[fantasy]] and [[speculative fiction]] in the 1970s, but several works which you mention are not part of the decade. [[The Lord of the Rings]] was published in 1954-1955, though it was completed c. 1949. The original [[Earthsea]] novel was published in 1968, and only two of its sequels were published in the 1970s. [[James and the Giant Peach]] was published in 1961. [[Charlie and the Chocolate Factory]] was published in 1964. [[H.R. Pufnstuf]] only run for a few months in 1969. The original television series [[The Addams Family (1964 TV series)|The Addams Family]] only lasted from 1964 until 1966. [[Hanna-Barbera]]’s [[The Addams Family (1973 TV series)|animated adaptation]] lasted for a few months in 1973. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 08:57, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

:I don’t know about the prevalence of [[fantasy]] and [[speculative fiction]] in the 1970s, but several works which you mention are not part of the decade. [[The Lord of the Rings]] was published in 1954-1955, though it was completed c. 1949. The original [[Earthsea]] novel was published in 1968, and only two of its sequels were published in the 1970s. [[James and the Giant Peach]] was published in 1961. [[Charlie and the Chocolate Factory]] was published in 1964. [[H.R. Pufnstuf]] only run for a few months in 1969. The original television series [[The Addams Family (1964 TV series)|The Addams Family]] only lasted from 1964 until 1966. [[Hanna-Barbera]]’s [[The Addams Family (1973 TV series)|animated adaptation]] lasted for a few months in 1973. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) :, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

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The correct title of the first book is Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone – the author, J. K. Rowling, is British, and the book was first published in the United Kingdom. The alternative Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone is used only for the United States (USA) publication.

This article has been viewed enough times to make it onto the all-time Top 100 list. It has had 86 million views since December 2007. This article has been viewed enough times in a single year to make it into the Top 50 Report annual list. This happened in 2007, 2009, and 2011. Section sizes Section size for Harry Potter (35 sections) Section name Byte count Prose size (words) Header Total Header Total (Top) 7,638 7,638 457 457 Plot 213 9,498 0 1,367 Early years 4,640 4,640 670 670 Voldemort returns 4,645 4,645 697 697 Style and allusions 26 13,658 0 1,135 Genre and style 7,356 7,356 571 571 Allusions 6,276 6,276 564 564 Themes 5,794 5,794 607 607 Development history 1,312 19,857 71 986 Publishing history 9,840 9,840 482 482 Translations 5,040 5,040 256 256 Cover art 3,665 3,665 177 177 Reception 16 39,714 0 2,409 Commercial success 10,873 10,873 583 583 Literary criticism 13,987 13,987 899 899 Thematic critique 5,641 5,641 467 467 Controversies 9,197 9,197 460 460 Legacy 11 18,498 0 1,000 Influence on literature 2,560 2,560 266 266 Cultural impact 15,927 15,927 734 734 Awards, honours, and recognition 9,455 9,455 374 374 Adaptations 47 31,475 0 1,389 Films 6,912 8,585 341 408 Spin-off prequels 1,673 1,673 67 67 Games 4,616 4,616 309 309 Stage production 3,156 3,156 138 138 Television 10,317 10,317 484 484 Full-cast audiobook 4,754 4,754 50 50 Attractions 9,039 9,039 331 331 Supplementary works 5,832 5,832 254 254 See also 92 92 0 0 References 2,262 2,262 0 0 Sources 15,545 15,545 0 0 Further reading 1,276 1,276 0 0 External links 2,116 2,116 0 0 Total 191,749 191,749 10,309 10,309

I just created an article for SenLinYu, the author of the Harry Potter fan fiction Manacled. Any help with expansion would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 18:16, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Change the external link “https://jw-webmagazine.com/harry-potter-studio-tour-tokyo/”
to “https://jw-webmagazine.com/tips/harry-potter-studio-tour-tokyo/”
because the original link is dead.
Kobayshi.makiyo (talk) 14:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC) Kobayshi.makiyo (talk) 14:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Title updated also. LizardJr8 (talk) 14:39, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

JK Rowling wants it to be canon. She thinks it is canon. She’s the author, she thinks it can be in the HP books. So add it, please. Hamdaan Abid (talk) 18:32, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done The problem is that it is not a novel. wound theology◈ 20:44, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It kinda is because it has a script type of book. It can be counted as a semi-novel maybe. Hamdaan Abid (talk) 22:28, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it can’t. wound theology◈ 22:58, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jjdewikieditor5 (talk · contribs), please stop adding Category:Occult detective fiction to the page here. It is not in the source and makes no sense. It is WP:OR at best. wound theology◈ 11:40, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This statement is factually incorrect, and the only source is a book celebrating the Harry Potter Franchise. I intend to correct it, but would like to hear other opinions first. Which 1970s books are we thinking were realistic? The Lord of the Rings? The Wizard of Earthsea series? James and the Giant Peach? Charlie and the Chocolate Factory? On the contrary, fantastical books were very hot sellers. Ditto TV series (HR Puffenstuff, The Adams Family, The Banana Splits, I Dream of Jeanie, Lost in Space, Star Trek) and movies (Willy Wonka, Mary Poppins, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang).Msalt (talk) 18:56, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The only mention I can find is sentence 2 in the Harry Potter#Influence on literature section, which reads: In the 1970s, children’s books were generally realistic as opposed to fantastic and is sourced. What you stated above may be true, but it’s also WP:OR. Perhaps if you find a more reliable source (or more recent than 2002) that says otherwise, we could figure out if or how to include it. Right now, what you wrote above seems a bit Strawman-y, listing several works which are adult or young adult, but very much not children’s. EducatedRedneck (talk) 19:05, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the title of the new section to match the quote that you correctly identified, thank you.

And I would love to hear more about the distinction between children’s books and young adult books that you are making. I take your point on the Lord of the Rings, but I am not clear how one might consider James and the Giant Peach, or the Wizard of Earthsea series — also about a boy at a school for wizards — to be “adult or young adult, but very much not children’s”, as opposed to the Harry Potter series.Msalt (talk) 19:56, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Re Children’s books I typically think of as books for children (which I think of as ~3-12) while Young Adult is for people aged 12-17, but that’s pretty approximate. Upon looking at our article Children’s books, I see that Wikipedia considers YA to be a subset of Children’s Books, so perhaps my definition oughtn’t be used.

I don’t know about the Wizard of Earthsea, but James and the Giant peach does seem like Children’s to me. Start Trek and I Dream of Jeanie less so. The thing is, our opinion doesn’t matter, because our opinions are WP:OR.

For what it’s worth, the way I interpret the above quote is less about whether fantasy elements exist, but more like whether the world itself is fantastical. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory has some bizarre stuff inside, but the world it’s set in is by assumption mundane. Ditto James and the Giant Peach; the fantastical happens only to the subjects of the story. Harry Potter, by contrast, has magic implied to be everywhere in the world (with muggles just blind to it). That’s my interpretation, but that also would be WP:OR to put into the article, as it’s not a bald, straightforward reading of what WP:RS say, which is what we DO put into the article. EducatedRedneck (talk) 20:16, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t know about the prevalence of fantasy and speculative fiction in the 1970s, but several works which you mention are not part of the decade. The Lord of the Rings was published in 1954-1955, though it was completed c. 1949. The original Earthsea novel was published in 1968, and only two of its sequels were published in the 1970s. James and the Giant Peach was published in 1961. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was published in 1964. H.R. Pufnstuf only run for a few months in 1969. The original television series The Addams Family only lasted from 1964 until 1966. Hanna-Barbera‘s animated adaptation lasted for a few months in 1973. Lost in Space only lasted from 1965 until 1968. Star Trek: The Original Series only lasted from 1966 until 1969. Filmation‘s animated adaptation lasted from 1973 until 1974. Dimadick (talk) 09:02, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]