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Sneha Kumari (8 September 2025). “Iryna Zarutska murder: Wikipedia deletion notice fuels media cover-up claims; netizens question video, call it ‘deliberate censorship’“. Indiatimes.com. Retrieved 8 September 2025. Following the updates about the incident, even the Wikipedia page on the killing of Iryna Zarutska has come under major scrutiny, with an editor nominating the article for deletion. “Editors At Wikipedia Descend Into Circular Firing Squad Over Charlotte Stabbing Article”. The Daily Caller. 8 September 2025. Retrieved 8 September 2025. The article remains on Wikipedia as of Monday afternoon. Ashley Rindsberg (8 September 2025). “A Woman Was Stabbed to Death on a Train. Wikipedia Wants to Erase Her Story”. The Free Press. Retrieved 8 September 2025. A Ukrainian woman was stabbed to death by a serial criminal. Those facts are too much for some of the online encyclopedia’s editors to bear. Joseph MacKinnon (8 September 2025). “Wikipedia editors are trying to scrub the record clean of Iryna Zarutska’s slaughter by violent thug”. The Blaze. Retrieved 8 September 2025. While liberal news outfits did their apparent best to avoid reporting on a story that has garnered significant national interest, comment from lawmakers, and further insights into Democrats’ ruinous soft-on-crime policies, editors at Wikipedia tried to scrub any mention of the tragic incident from their platform. Crisnel Longino (9 September 2025). “Wikipedia Faces Backlash Over Attempt to Delete Page on Ukrainian Refugee’s Killing”. International Business Times. Retrieved 9 September 2025. Critics accused Wikipedia of selective editing and silencing victims who do not fit a preferred narrative. … Conservative commentators went further, accusing Wikipedia of protecting establishment narratives through digital erasure. Anthony Blair (9 September 2025). “Wikipedia accused of censoring page on murder of Ukrainian refugee at hands of career criminal: ‘The left is cancelling Iryna Zarutska’“. New York Post. Retrieved 9 September 2025. Wikipedia has faced furious accusations of censorship after alleged attempts to delete a page on the killing of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska by a homeless career criminal on board a train in Charlotte, North Carolina. Anonymous (8 September 2025). “Flydde Ukraina – höggs ihjäl på spårvagn av den här”. Fria Tider. Retrieved 9 September 2025. En 23-årig kvinna från Ukraina dödades av den här mannen på en spårvagn i Charlotte i amerikanska North Carolina den 22 augusti. Nu försöker internetuppslagsverket Wikipedia radera sin artikel om händelsen. David Spector (9 September 2025). “Wikipedia editors attempted to delete Charlotte murder article, removed suspect’s name from entry: report”. Fox News. Retrieved 10 September 2025. A Wikipedia editor tried Sunday to delete the entry about Zarutska’s death, arguing it didn’t meet the site’s “notability” requirements. Those guidelines, written by volunteers, say a subject must receive significant coverage in multiple reputable outlets. Critics say the standard is often applied inconsistently. Natasha Anderson, Senior US News Reporter (10 September 2025). “Wikipedia editors ‘downplaying’ Iryna Zarutska’s murder by trying to sneakily remove article”. The Daily Mail. Retrieved 10 September 2025. Wikipedia’s editors are accused of having removed the name of Zarutska’s alleged attacker from the article, as well as references to his race and the phrase ‘career criminal’. Bobby Burack (9 September 2025). “Wikipedia Editors Are Trying To Downplay Details Of Iryna Zarutska’s Murder”. OutKick. Retrieved 10 September 2025. Wikipedia is the 11th most visited website in the United States and consistently ranks among the top Google search results. But beyond its lack of accuracy, the site has increasingly revealed a clear liberal bias in its citations and editorial decisions. Stephen Harrison (17 September 2025). “Why Right-Wing Outlets Attacked Wikipedia After Charlie Kirk’s Shooting”. Slate. Retrieved 17 September 2025. The Fox News article about Erika Kirk’s entry mirrors another recent piece by Ashley Rindsberg, this time in the Free Press, about Wikipedia’s coverage of the killing of Iryna Zarutska, a 23-year-old Ukrainian refugee stabbed to death on a Charlotte, North Carolina, train in August, for which a man, Decarlos Brown Jr., has been charged. The headline in the Free Press claimed “Wikipedia Wants to Erase Her Story.” Like much of Rindsberg’s work, the point isn’t to provide information to readers about what’s happening on Wikipedia, but to stoke further outrage for attention.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link) Will Oremus (October 24, 2025). “He co-founded Wikipedia. Now he’s inspiring Elon Musk to build a rival”. The Washington Post. Retrieved October 24, 2025. Cruz noted that some Wikipedia editors sought to have the article taken down, arguing that an individual street crime wasn’t notable enough to merit its own page. Cruz’s letter didn’t mention that their push was unsuccessful: Other editors voted to keep the article and it remained on the site, as does a page that records editors’ internal debate over the decision.

Following discussion with @Ianmacm, is anyone oppose to put in See also:

• Killing of Lisa from Abcoude – killing of a 17-year-old in the Netherlands (August 20, 2025), which similarly sparked national debate about women’s safety at transit

IMO, it’s MOS:SEEALSO “relevant” as well: young woman victim, only two days apart, women safety in public/nighttime/transit, similar ethnicity of perpetrator Bildete (talk) 18:29, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add. The same week, also white female safety and black male perpetrator, so yes very relevant crime across the ocean EwelaKalina (talk) 11:31, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Change title from “Killing” to “Murder” and include that it was racially motivited attack, since after he murderd her he clearly said “I got that White Girl”. If George Floyid page, who OD on drugs can have “Murder” why cant this poor girl aswell? One was OD other was cold blooded murder,
it clearly dosent fit Wikipedias naratvies to state that this was a Murder. 188.2.58.32 (talk) 12:31, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Before someone points out FAQ, answer this question: If she was Black, would it fit “definition” of Murder? Racially Motivated Attack? 188.2.58.32 (talk) 12:35, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also on the page it clearly states “Murder”, also change the infobox from “Accused” to “Convicted” 188.2.58.32 (talk) 12:38, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See the numerous previous discussions about this. There has been no trial or conviction, and the motive has not been given by the police.–♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 12:43, 2 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

George Floyd did not OD on drugs. The toxicology report said he had previous use, but both autopsies, one by the local government and one by the family, found the asphyxiation from the knee on his neck was what killed him. Also, the article was titled “Death of George Floyd” until it was confirmed to be a homicide, then it was only “Killing of George Floyd” until a guilty verdict against his murderer was announced. Wikipedia does not use the word “murder” unless someone is convicted. LeoLeoSuper (talk) 18:02, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This article title is mislabeled as “Killing”. This edit request is to title the article as “Murder of Iryna Zarutska”. The term “killing” is used as a general term for causing death and “murder” when the killing is illegal and intentional. As defined by the Cambridge dictionary, a murder is the crime of intentionally killing a person. There is zero debate on whether Iryna’s death was an accident or intentional, and the article should reflect that.

Cambridge dictionary definition link: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/murder ~2025-33499-36 (talk) 11:48, 14 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the perpetrator has been charged with murder, should this not be renamed murder of? ~2025-33854-84 (talk) 19:52, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Charged does not equal convicted, WP:BLPCRIME is clear on this.–♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:59, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Iryna law goes into effect this Monday – we can mention it in the article (the section about Law). ~2025-34538-19 (talk) 09:49, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From the same source – “Officials told commissioners Tuesday they expect the law will increase workloads throughout the local criminal justice and court systems and the number of people held in the Mecklenburg County Detention Center”. ~2025-34538-19 (talk) 09:50, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The title is not as grammatically correct as it should be. The title should be The Murder of Iryna Zaritska. ~2025-36839-25 (talk) 01:22, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: See the FAQ at the top of the page. – Umby 🌕🐶 (talk) 01:34, 28 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change “2025 Chicago train attack” to “2025 Chicago train immolation” to match the targeted article’s title. TwitchingMovie (talk) 17:12, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change “Killing” to “Murder”. ~2025-37700-91 (talk) 17:47, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: According to the page’s protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. If you mean the page name, then,  Not done: to request a page move follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested moves. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 18:36, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and see the talk page FAQ as well. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 18:37, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

it was cold blooded murder ~2025-37338-30 (talk) 00:07, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See the talk page FAQ at the top of the page (sigh).–♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:52, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You absolutely shouldn’t have any authority at wiki if that is how, and let’s be clear, it is uncivil, you respond.

Such typically woke drama to respond to a person with an absolutely legitimate observation perfectly illustrates what people like Elon Musk have been claiming.

Yes, People are absolutely right to question why wiki censors, and why there’s someone who ‘owns’ the entry. People don’t care about your low quality sophistry. Give yourself a ban, then come back and refrain from editing anything of substance. Your reply should be illustrated in media as to just what’s wrong with public discourse, it becomes dominated by the worst, who are unable to respond appropriately to the simplest of inquries. Is there a report procedure for your behavior? ~2025-39024-47 (talk) 14:12, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can understand why people get frustrated over this, but it is longstanding Wikipedia policy that a person is not described as a murderer unless they have been found guilty by a court of law. This article is not being treated differently from any other article, such as Killing of Brian Thompson.–♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:29, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

His reply was entirely civil. The first comment is by someone who completely ignored the FAQ at the top, every previous request to change the title, and who has completely ignored the rules of Wikipedia as a whole. “Such typically woke drama” is uncivil. “An absolutely legitimate observation” is incorrect. Until someone is found guilty, pleads guilty, or is otherwise found legally responsible in a criminal court of a murder, Wikipedia will not call a killing a murder. Same thing has happened or is happening with Nicole Brown Simpson, George Floyd, and, as the admin pointed out, Brian Thompson.

Wikipedia is not censoring anything. No one “owns” the entry. There is no “sophistry” happening here. The rules are clear and simple. There’s nothing wrong with the admin’s reply. The original request was not the “simplest of inquiries,” it was part of the repeated spam of people wanting a Wikipedia page to go against the main rules of Wikipedia by someone who skipped over every attempt and explanation so far. LeoLeoSuper (talk) 00:20, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]