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::{{Ping|NelsonLee20042020|Paintspot}} Yes we can do and perhaps should. Honestly, I was thinking that all the other stuff that’s not to do with executions should be deleted also, as it has nothing to do with actual executions. It’s the executions that are rare, not the sentences. Many people sentenced to death won’t actually be executed. [[User:Inexpiable|Inexpiable]] ([[User talk:Inexpiable|talk]]) 06:47, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

::{{Ping|NelsonLee20042020|Paintspot}} Yes we can do and perhaps should. Honestly, I was thinking that all the other stuff that’s not to do with executions should be deleted also, as it has nothing to do with actual executions. It’s the executions that are rare, not the sentences. Many people sentenced to death won’t actually be executed. [[User:Inexpiable|Inexpiable]] ([[User talk:Inexpiable|talk]]) 06:47, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Inexpiable|Inexpiable]] and @[[User:Paintspot|Paintspot]], I agree with what Inexpiable said. No objection to the removal of the info [[User:NelsonLee20042020|NelsonLee20042020]] ([[User talk:NelsonLee20042020|talk]]) 06:57, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

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The introductory text is interesting, though leaves out some content that may add context during this timeframe.

• How many black people have been murdered by white people who have not been executed?
• How many white people have been murdered by black people who have not been executed?

—ADavidB 15:02, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many black folk were murdered in the Oklahoma City bombing at the Alfred P Murrah building, McVeigh was executed in 2001, shouldn’t he be added to the list? 163.1.172.1 (talk) 15:05, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How come there isn’t an article titled “List of black defendants executed for killing a white victim”? 2600:1012:B13E:74FA:0:36:8CF1:5301 (talk) 06:21, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because as the sources indicate, executions of white defendants for killing black victims are extremely rare. Every source demonstrates that. Black defendants executed for killing white victims are far more common. Inexpiable (talk) 08:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Whether it’s more common or not is impossible to tell without proportions which should be included in the article. 71.120.246.125 (talk) 05:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The sources mention it’s a rare occurrence. That is what Wikipedia relies on: SOURCES. The sources tell us it is RARE for this to happen. Whether you personally disagree with that analogy has no bearing on if the article should exist or not. Inexpiable (talk) 13:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to know, if it is feasible for us to set up a demographics table that can show how many states have conducted the executions of Whites for the killing of African American individuals? I also consider the possibility of adding the age range of the defendants. I noticed that South Carolina and Virginia had the most number (7 each), followed by Texas (6), Oklahoma and Ohio (3 each), and many other states that had maybe 1 or 2. Probably will add in more if Dylann Roof‘s death sentence was carried out (federal government) and same thing goes to the other White inmates on death row in whichever state not in the article.

Is it relevant to document this, and what do everyone think? NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 13:07, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@NelsonLee20042020: It could be added, but really it doesn’t matter all that much. All you’d have is state, age range, and execution method, which isn’t really all that relevant to the subject of the article. The point of the article is really to document rare cases of white offenders who were executed for killing a black person. The execution method, state, and age range of the subjects are not really of huge interest. Inexpiable (talk) 16:39, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Changed my mind and added it. Inexpiable (talk) 17:00, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing. I seen it. Thanks by the way. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 23:05, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Inexpiable. By the way, apart from Dylann Roof and Donald Middlebrooks of the Kerrick Majors murder case, are there any other inmates who were White and convicted on death row for killing African American people (whether racial hate or not)?

I am referring to those not executed yet, and yeah if their cases are notable enough (including coverage wise), or heinous enough to be posted in individual articles on Wikipedia. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 00:28, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@NelsonLee20042020: There most definitely are more but none I’m currently aware of. Usually, that information is only given come the time for execution. Sometimes races aren’t revealed altogether either and can only be found through Death Penalty Information Center or NAACP. One that possibly could be is Christopher Barbour in Alabama, I believe the victim in that case (Thelma Roberts) was Black and Barbour was White but I’m unable to find a source to confirm Roberts’ race. That case is also in the news because there is evidence Barbour may not have actually commit the crime and another person (a Black person) may have been the true perpetrator. But I’m unsure if Roberts was 100% Black or not. Inexpiable (talk) 22:24, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@NelsonLee20042020: Out of interest I had a look at the list of people on death row in Texas. They actually reveal the race of the victim. Only 2 white people on the list were convicted of killing a black person: Kimberly Cargill who murdered her mentally challenged babysitter Cherry Walker, who was Black. The other, Robert Satterfield, killed a Hispanic Woman, her Black Husband, and the couple’s son, presumably mixed-race. Inexpiable (talk) 22:46, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Inexpiable, omg, thanks. I tried google search but most commonly I often get the results of James Byrd Jr or some other Black victims whose stories were already on Wikipedia. Now that you helped out, the information here is helpful to me. I will go ahead and read through the Kimberly Cargill case first before I consider starting. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 23:26, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you’re looking to write about one, the Kimberly Cargill case is pretty unique. This is also the only White Woman I’m aware of to be sentenced to death for killing a Black person, and if executed, will be the first White woman executed in the U.S. for killing someone Black. Inexpiable (talk) 22:51, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Race is also mentioned at the trial: [1]. Inexpiable (talk) 22:52, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

and yeah, it looks promising to me. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 23:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I really don’t think all this extra info that has been added recently is needed. The page is titled “White defendants executed for killing black victims”. I don’t believe White defendants who died on death row for killing black victims or who had their sentences commuted are necessary for inclusion in this article. The page is now unnecessarily extra long and this added content has nothing to do with the title of the article. We don’t have separate lists under pages like List of people executed in the United States in 2025 of all the people who were nearly executed that year. Only those who are actually executed need to really be included. Inexpiable (talk) 11:03, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Inexpiable, I do have reservations about this extra info even though these were interesting additions. They could be better included in another page, summarized in this page or removed. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 13:47, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Inexpiable, I just took notice of the template about the page being primarily dealing with the American cases (I doubt we have such executions in other countries, or if we did, there were sparse numbers of these cases). Is it more appropriate for us to move it to another title, like List of white defendants executed for killing a black victim in the United States? NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 13:45, 17 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@NelsonLee20042020 and Inexpiable: I agree, this page should probably be moved to “List of white defendants executed for killing a black victim in the United States“. Paintspot Infez (talk) 03:06, 11 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@NelsonLee20042020 and Paintspot: Yes we can do and perhaps should. Honestly, I was thinking that all the other stuff that’s not to do with executions should be deleted also, as it has nothing to do with actual executions. It’s the executions that are rare, not the sentences. Many people sentenced to death won’t actually be executed. Inexpiable (talk) 06:47, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Inexpiable and @Paintspot, I agree with what Inexpiable said. No objection to the removal of the info NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:57, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly the other info I’ve deleted. It’s the executions that are rare, not sentences. And the page was getting too long and unnecessary info was being added. No source states that white people sentenced to death for killing black people is a rare occurrence, it’s the actual executions that are, many people sentenced to death won’t ever be executed. Inexpiable (talk) 06:51, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]