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:::Are you always this aggressive? The RM discussion in the links on the page aren’t only for [[Republic of Ireland]] so having them be in a sub page of very specific page is the possibly the worst option. Since it’s also a project discussion and not an article discussion, a project page would be better, ideally without a proper title. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:42, 27 November 2025 (UTC) |
:::Are you always this aggressive? The RM discussion in the links on the page aren’t only for [[Republic of Ireland]] so having them be in a sub page of very specific page is the possibly the worst option. Since it’s also a project discussion and not an article discussion, a project page would be better, ideally without a proper title. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 10:42, 27 November 2025 (UTC) |
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::::Do you think you might manage to make your point without the personal attack? Looking at this as someone “with no skin in the game”, the only aggression that I can see is your reply. Whatever point you were making has been lost as a result. [[User:JMF|𝕁𝕄𝔽]] ([[User talk:JMF|talk]]) 11:09, 27 November 2025 (UTC) |
::::Do you think you might manage to make your point without the personal attack? Looking at this as someone “with no skin in the game”, the only aggression that I can see is your reply. Whatever point you were making has been lost as a result. [[User:JMF|𝕁𝕄𝔽]] ([[User talk:JMF|talk]]) 11:09, 27 November 2025 (UTC) |
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::::Agree with above. Outside of IECOLL, by far the most move discussions have been on this page. There have only been a few at [[Talk:Ireland]] and none that I know of at [[Talk:Ireland (disambiguation)]]. Again, it doesn’t make any difference where the sub-page is located, as long as it is linked from the top of these three pages. [[User:Scolaire|Scolaire]] ([[User talk:Scolaire|talk]]) 12:05, 27 November 2025 (UTC) |
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The current order of affairs is that there is a page for the Irish Republic (1919-21), then the Irish Free State (1921-1937) and then the Republic of Ireland (1937-today). However, between 1937-1948 Ireland was still under British rule: the 1937 Constitution did not proclaim a republic but rather Éire. So I suggest that there ought to be a page or at least a bigger notice that the Republic of Ireland was not formed straight after the Irish Free State as it is currently being implied. Joshua D. Muthi (talk) 10:18, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
- No, it wasn’t under British rule from 1937. The 1937 constitution of Ireland is still in force today. DrKay (talk) 11:00, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
- It was in fact under British rule until the Republic of Ireland act (1948), between 1937 and 1949, the state was officially called “Éire” 213.133.65.131 (talk) 23:13, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- Between 1937 and 1949, it was no more under British rule than was Australia or Canada: the King was head of state for diplomatic purposes and no more. The state is still called “Éire” (in Irish) and “Ireland” (in English), according to whichever language is being used at the time: see Constitution of Ireland. The Republic of Ireland Act 1948 did not change the name of the state, bur merely give it an “additional description”. All this is explained at The Republic of Ireland Act 1948 if you bother to read it. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:54, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- We have had a president as head of state 1937
- King lost any say in Ireland after the Republican constitution replaced the dominion one 2001:BB6:1312:5400:3F7D:7093:5E9A:2D34 (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Between 1937 and 1949, it was no more under British rule than was Australia or Canada: the King was head of state for diplomatic purposes and no more. The state is still called “Éire” (in Irish) and “Ireland” (in English), according to whichever language is being used at the time: see Constitution of Ireland. The Republic of Ireland Act 1948 did not change the name of the state, bur merely give it an “additional description”. All this is explained at The Republic of Ireland Act 1948 if you bother to read it. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:54, 20 March 2025 (UTC)
- It was in fact under British rule until the Republic of Ireland act (1948), between 1937 and 1949, the state was officially called “Éire” 213.133.65.131 (talk) 23:13, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
Paragraph Economy has quite old information, for instance
“The transfer of this debt means that Ireland, in 2017, still has one of the highest levels of both public sector indebtedness, and private sector indebtedness, in the EU-28/OECD.”
More up-to-date sources exist, like
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-euro-indicators/w/2-22102024-bp
which shows public debt at the lower end of EU countries, at 42.8%/GPP 128.214.173.198 (talk) 10:31, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
Not for EU could do with being broadened to balance the current very UK perspective. Can anyone contribute, esp with RS citations. See Talk:Not for EU/Archives/2025/July#EU perspective 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:12, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
Crouch, Swale has added the template IrelandRMArchive to this talk page and three others. The result is a sprawling of mass of text, links and boxes that more than doubles the size of the talk page header, which in turn takes up more than half the size of the entire page. Crouch, Swale proposed his template in this discussion of December 2023. I pointed out the excessive size and proposed moving the content to a sub-page with a small template linking to it on each of the talk pages, but he rejected that; his proposal didn’t get a consensus and a stop-gap template was added instead. I am now implementing my proposal: the sub-page is at Talk:Republic of Ireland/Naming discussions and the template is at Ireland naming discussions. I think users will agree it is a more suitable layout. Scolaire (talk) 12:05, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Scolaire maybe place this as a project sub page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland or Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration? I feel article sub pages are somehow way too hidden and lost. Gonnym (talk) 19:49, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
- I don’t see how that matters. The page is not meant to be visible; it’s only meant to be clickable from the top of this page and the other Ireland pages. Having it as a sub-page of WikiProject Ireland Collaboration would be particularly pointless, given that discussions of page moves were taken out of that project and it is now defunct. And WikiProject Ireland has never been involved in naming discussions. Scolaire (talk) 10:38, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Are you always this aggressive? The RM discussion in the links on the page aren’t only for Republic of Ireland so having them be in a sub page of very specific page is the possibly the worst option. Since it’s also a project discussion and not an article discussion, a project page would be better, ideally without a proper title. Gonnym (talk) 10:42, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Do you think you might manage to make your point without the personal attack? Looking at this as someone “with no skin in the game”, the only aggression that I can see is your reply. Whatever point you were making has been lost as a result. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:09, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with above. Outside of IECOLL, by far the most move discussions have been on this page. There have only been a few at Talk:Ireland and none that I know of at Talk:Ireland (disambiguation). Again, it doesn’t make any difference where the sub-page is located, as long as it is linked from the top of these three pages. Scolaire (talk) 12:05, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- Are you always this aggressive? The RM discussion in the links on the page aren’t only for Republic of Ireland so having them be in a sub page of very specific page is the possibly the worst option. Since it’s also a project discussion and not an article discussion, a project page would be better, ideally without a proper title. Gonnym (talk) 10:42, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
- I don’t see how that matters. The page is not meant to be visible; it’s only meant to be clickable from the top of this page and the other Ireland pages. Having it as a sub-page of WikiProject Ireland Collaboration would be particularly pointless, given that discussions of page moves were taken out of that project and it is now defunct. And WikiProject Ireland has never been involved in naming discussions. Scolaire (talk) 10:38, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

