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I keep getting reverted for re-adding the part which {{ping|Azoral}} added that: “Muzaka further describes Skanderbeg as a man “[[Serbs|Serbian]] in nature”, but according to historian [[Oliver Schmitt]], it remains unclear whether Muzaka meant this in terms of origin or mentality..<ref>{{harvnb|Schmitt|2009|p=27}}: {{blockquote|Der bereits erwähnte Giovanni Musachi bezeichnete Skanderbeg, den berühmtesten Kastriota, als einen Mann, der ‚serbisch von Natur‘ sei.}}</ref>” This was later removed by a user without any proper explanation. I don’t see what’s the problem here? It’s a completely scholarly analysis of a historical document! [[User:Jagjit Karan|Jagjit Karan]] ([[User talk:Jagjit Karan|talk]]) 11:18, 23 October 2025 |
I keep getting reverted for re-adding the part which {{ping|Azoral}} added that: “Muzaka further describes Skanderbeg as a man “[[Serbs|Serbian]] in nature”, but according to historian [[Oliver Schmitt]], it remains unclear whether Muzaka meant this in terms of origin or mentality..<ref>{{harvnb|Schmitt|2009|p=27}}: {{blockquote|Der bereits erwähnte Giovanni Musachi bezeichnete Skanderbeg, den berühmtesten Kastriota, als einen Mann, der ‚serbisch von Natur‘ sei.}}</ref>” This was later removed by a user without any proper explanation. I don’t see what’s the problem here? It’s a completely scholarly analysis of a historical document! [[User:Jagjit Karan|Jagjit Karan]] ([[User talk:Jagjit Karan|talk]]) 11:18, 23 October 2025 |
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: I can see it was removed by {{ping|Βατο}} for POV-pushing,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Skanderbeg&diff=1298721819&oldid=1298720527] and quite frankly, I’d agree with its removal. That quote is not depicted in full for starters, and it is also cited to the wrong page. Furthermore, and most importantly, we have an English translation of [[Gjon Muzaka]]’s memoir, the ‘[[Muzaka Chronicles]]’ – translated by Robert Elsie.[https://www.google.com.au/books/edition/Early_Albania/_sHmTRCEe7kC?hl=en&gbpv=0] Reading it, I cannot see a single line where Gjon Muzaka writes of Skanderbeg as a man “Serbian in nature”, nor does it come up when I search for anything similar. It would seem to be an [[WP:EXTRAORDINARY]] claim that doesn’t even show up in the document that it supposedly comes from… [[User:Botushali|Botushali]] ([[User talk:Botushali|talk]]) 11:56, 23 October 2025 (UTC) |
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Frequently asked questions
Q1: Was Skanderbeg Albanian? A1: Yes, Skanderbeg was an Albanian feudal lord from the Albanian House of Kastrioti.
Q2: What language did they speak in Albania during Skanderbeg’s lifetime? A2: Skanderbeg’s native language was Albanian. In the Balkans Italian, Greek, Vlach, Latin, South Slavic languages and Ottoman Turkish were also common during Skanderbeg’s lifetime. Q3: What was the background of Skanderbeg’s mother? A3: Primary sources refer to her as being from Polog, most likely being the Polog valley in modern day North Macedonia. It has also been argued that another Polog, closer to the town of Bitola in the plain of Pelagonia may be the location of the Polog mentioned by Barleti. There is debate among different scholars of whether Skanderbeg’s mother was related to the Muzaka family, most likely of Albanian descent, or of the Serb Branković dynasty, or of an unknown Bulgarian family. There is, however, no mention of Voisava on the Branković dynasty family tree.
Q4: Was Skanderbeg a Roman Catholic? A4: Gjergj Kastrioti Skanderbeg was a Roman Catholic in the period from 1444 to his death in 1468. In the period prior to 1444, he had converted to Islam. The exact date of his conversion is unclear but it must have been between 1426 and 1431. His father, Gjon Kastrioti changed his religion several times (Roman Catholic/Christian Orthodox/Muslim).
Q5: What was Skanderbeg’s real name and who were his parents? A5: His real name was Gjergj Kastrioti, Gjergj is the Albanian version of the name George. His father was Gjon Kastrioti and his mother’s name was Voisava Kastrioti
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Is it okay if I remove it? Triballiii (talk) 21:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Put it back my friend, this is an evidence. Voisava is a direct child of Brankovic family The true is true (talk) 16:49, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
Why are the sources used in this article in contradiction with each other? Why do they cite Skanderbeg as a Serbian while the article mentions him as Albanian? 93.86.237.151 (talk) 12:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Because there’s good evidence to support that claim, and because this article uses Albanian sources to estsblish his ethnicity, which we have no reason to assume are objective on this matter. Nexxogen (talk) 21:00, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
SKENDREBEU I QI ROBT TURKUT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.156.14.21 (talk) 13:45, 24 February 2025 (UTC)
Can we use a dot in all image descriptions in this article? Vannucci (talk) 15:27, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
In the end of every sentence —Vannucci (talk) 15:47, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
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Skenderbeg was not Albanian He was Serbian who lived in todays Albanian territory,Albanians didnt had wars against Ottomans, they re ottomans, so dont share Albanian propaganda and protect it. 109.245.38.47 (talk) 05:26, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
Not done: See question 1 in the Frequently Asked Questions at the top of the talk page. Day Creature (talk) 06:15, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
I keep getting reverted for re-adding the part which @Azoral: added that: “Muzaka further describes Skanderbeg as a man “Serbian in nature”, but according to historian Oliver Schmitt, it remains unclear whether Muzaka meant this in terms of origin or mentality..[1]” This was later removed by a user without any proper explanation. I don’t see what’s the problem here? It’s a completely scholarly analysis of a historical document! Jagjit Karan (talk) 11:18, 23 October 2025
- I can see it was removed by @Βατο: for POV-pushing,[1] and quite frankly, I’d agree with its removal. That quote is not depicted in full for starters, and it is also cited to the wrong page. Furthermore, and most importantly, we have an English translation of Gjon Muzaka‘s memoir, the ‘Muzaka Chronicles‘ – translated by Robert Elsie.[2] Reading it, I cannot see a single line where Gjon Muzaka writes of Skanderbeg as a man “Serbian in nature”, nor does it come up when I search for anything similar. It would seem to be an WP:EXTRAORDINARY claim that doesn’t even show up in the document that it supposedly comes from… Botushali (talk) 11:56, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
- ^ Schmitt 2009, p. 27:
Der bereits erwähnte Giovanni Musachi bezeichnete Skanderbeg, den berühmtesten Kastriota, als einen Mann, der ‚serbisch von Natur‘ sei.
