:It makes sense because in some countries, vegetarian can mean simply not eating meat, or even just not eating red meat, and in others, pescetarianism is seeing as a kind of soft vegetarianism. Thus, the data often includes “vegetarian” divided into these subsections. I wonder if the title of the article should change to reflect this (and that we also include veganism by country). [[User:OsFish|OsFish]] ([[User talk:OsFish|talk]]) 04:36, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:It makes sense because in some countries, vegetarian can mean simply not eating meat, or even just not eating red meat, and in others, pescetarianism is seeing as a kind of soft vegetarianism. Thus, the data often includes “vegetarian” divided into these subsections. I wonder if the title of the article should change to reflect this (and that we also include veganism by country). [[User:OsFish|OsFish]] ([[User talk:OsFish|talk]]) 04:36, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
::To include pescetarianism in the existing numbers for vegetarians is quite misleading. The article is about vegetarianism by country and people coming to this page is looking for data on that. This is reflected in the summary above the table: “The percentages in the following table are raw estimates prevalence of dietary vegetarianism and dietary veganism. The distinction is important between dietary vegans and other vegans. Dietary vegans may use leather or other non-food animal products, while other vegans (sometimes called lifestyle or ethical vegans) use no animal products of any type.”
::To include pescetarianism in the existing numbers for vegetarians is quite misleading. The article is about vegetarianism by country and people coming to this page is looking for data on that. This is reflected in the summary above the table: “The percentages in the following table are raw estimates prevalence of dietary vegetarianism and dietary veganism. The distinction is important between dietary vegans and other vegans. Dietary vegans may use leather or other non-food animal products, while other vegans (sometimes called lifestyle or ethical vegans) use no animal products of any type.”
::Also, the note says: “Includes pescetarians and vegans, unless otherwise stated. How is that stated when there is no info on the number of pescetarians.”
::Also, the note says: “Includes pescetarians and vegans, unless otherwise stated. How that stated when there is no info on the number of pescetarians
::If you want to include numbers on pescetarianism I suggest that you either add a column for that number or create the page pescetarianism by country. Also that the summary is changed.
::If you want to include numbers on pescetarianism I suggest that you either add a column for that number or create the page pescetarianism by country. Also that the summary is changed.
::I also suggest that the note is removed. [[User:Brunberg|Brunberg]] ([[User talk:Brunberg|talk]]) 14:02, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
::I also suggest that the note is removed. [[User:Brunberg|Brunberg]] ([[User talk:Brunberg|talk]]) 14:02, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
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I’m reposting this because the issue wasn’t actually addressed & the conversation was deleted. Aquatic Ambience simply ignored the points I made and repeated one of their false claims. This time I will request a third opinion.
Aquatic Ambience has repeatedly edited the article to remove important information in a way that makes the article misleading and is uncivil to the editors who worked on including this information. They have performed this deletion of information multiple times and ignored the important reasons for the info being included, giving the same very weak justifications in their edit description each time.
12% of people saying that the food they eat is “all or almost all vegetarian” is clearly not the same thing as 12% of people being vegetarian. The 12% number for Australia includes the seemingly much larger number who are flexitarian, not just vegetarians. The text removed was not “irrelevant and outdated” as Aquatic Ambience claimed. One of the sources was from 2019, which is more recent than the 12% source that Aquatic Ambience is cherry picking. The older Newspoll from 2010 is also worth including because it is more reliable than the ABC survey, and it is from from a poll that actually asked whether people they were vegetarian or not, which is therefore more relevant to this article than the 12% poll. The claim that the actual number of vegetarians is “irrelevant”, that a more recent article is “outdated”, is obviously false and uncivil, and assumption that a poll number than includes both vegetarians and non-vegetarian flexitarians is somehow a more reliable number is also obviously false and misleading. Deleting other people’s constructive contributions on such weak grounds (in this case with a false justification) is very disrespectful to those who did the hard work of digging up these other more relevant and more recent sources. It’s not just uncivil but very nasty behaviour. Mr G (talk) 00:59, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- I corrected the percentages of vegetarians in the table for Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania which were all surveyed in the 2020 Ipsos poll commissioned by Orkla that was being referred to as a source. All numbers had been inflated and I reverted them to the numbers mentioned in the source. I just wanted to mention it to avoid speculation. Brunberg (talk) 16:03, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
[I removed a repost of the same topic, as well as an unnecessary meta-discussion topic, after the first was archived by a poorly configured bot. –jacobolus (t) 03:25, 14 August 2025 (UTC)]
- Gregcaletta, sorry you had a misconfigured bot here. In any case, let’s try to stay polite please, even when there are disagreements. You might want to find a relevant Wikiproject to ask for other opinions if you’re having trouble getting engagement on the talk page. –jacobolus (t) 03:28, 14 August 2025 (UTC)
Remark:
The problem described below has been discussed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aquatic_Ambiance#Vegans_in_Poland
Several days ago I corrected information in the table about vegans in Poland: I removed information from a dubious source and add information from the same source as for vegetarians in Poland (the source contains also information about vegans). Then, during several edits, I cleaned up technical details. But Aquatic Ambience reverted all this and wrote: “A mess.” Why? What was wrong? I think that rather a mess is what is there now: very dubious information about vegans instead of information about vegetarians and vegans from one source (as it is for most countries) and no information that note 1 is not true in this case (according to the source). Please, explain me why my edits was wrong or restore them. (And I think that it is necessary to change the map of vegans respectively.) D.M. from Ukraine (talk) 19:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Relating to the Title of the Page, It might be problematic and not inclusive to state “Vegetarianism by country” only as the title. that is why i suggest a change and adding Veganism to the title as well, while still keeping the same page, if possible and if it seems reasonable. additionally, Veganism and Vegetarianism are not the same but the page includes information about both diets, so i think the page title should be changed to “Veganism and Vegetarianism by Country” in conclusion. ManO’Knowledge (talk) 12:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Where are the reliable and scientific studies that support the claim in the article that 19% of Mexico is vegetarian? The source cited here is from an online marketing research firm, NielsenIQ, which provides no references to any studies that back up their claims. Maybe they got their information from a poll, but how extensive was the poll, who conducted it, and what questions did they ask? The word carne in Mexico generally means only meat from mammals, and I have never met a Mexican who applies the word to chicken or fish. So what was the pollster asking in that survey. My husband is from Mexico, and we’ve lived in Mexico off and on for the last several years, and neither of us has ever met a vegetarian in the North American sense of the word. Personal experience is, of course, limited, but it does lead to legitimate questions about data that doesn’t make any sense at all.
Sources for other countries are equally bad or worse. Some include references to vegetarian think tanks, others are just online fluff. Very few lines in this articles are accurate. Wikipedians should be ashamed. MonteGargano (talk) 21:06, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
Why do the numbers include Pescetarianism ? 2A01:CB0C:8827:E100:C75A:4559:F951:4355 (talk) 01:32, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
- It makes sense because in some countries, vegetarian can mean simply not eating meat, or even just not eating red meat, and in others, pescetarianism is seeing as a kind of soft vegetarianism. Thus, the data often includes “vegetarian” divided into these subsections. I wonder if the title of the article should change to reflect this (and that we also include veganism by country). OsFish (talk) 04:36, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
- To include pescetarianism in the existing numbers for vegetarians is quite misleading. The article is about vegetarianism by country and people coming to this page is looking for data on that. This is reflected in the summary above the table: “The percentages in the following table are raw estimates prevalence of dietary vegetarianism and dietary veganism. The distinction is important between dietary vegans and other vegans. Dietary vegans may use leather or other non-food animal products, while other vegans (sometimes called lifestyle or ethical vegans) use no animal products of any type.”
- Also, the note for the column says: “Includes pescetarians and vegans, unless otherwise stated.” How can people know if that is stated when there is no info on the number of pescetarians in the table?
- If you want to include numbers on pescetarianism I suggest that you either add a column for that number or create the page pescetarianism by country. Also that the summary is changed.
- I also suggest that the note is removed. Brunberg (talk) 14:02, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
