I’ve started a rewording effort at {{tl|db-llm-notice/sandbox}} to trim superfluous parts of the template and make the core message more readable. While having specific criteria is essential for admins to know when (or when not) to delete, these same specifics can be too much for a newcomer-oriented warning and might bury the important aspects (why the page is being tagged for deletion, how to contest it, where to ask for help). I’m thinking that this could also be adapted to other {{tl|db-notice}}-derived templates (and possibly even the core template’s wording), as many of them are extremely wordy and not newcomer-friendly at all. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style=”color:#8a7500″>Chaotic <span style=”color:#9e5cb1″>Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 14:47, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
I’ve started a rewording effort at {{tl|db-llm-notice/sandbox}} to trim superfluous parts of the template and make the core message more readable. While having specific criteria is essential for admins to know when (or when not) to delete, these same specifics can be too much for a newcomer-oriented warning and might bury the important aspects (why the page is being tagged for deletion, how to contest it, where to ask for help). I’m thinking that this could also be adapted to other {{tl|db-notice}}-derived templates (and possibly even the core template’s wording), as many of them are extremely wordy and not newcomer-friendly at all. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style=”color:#8a7500″>Chaotic <span style=”color:#9e5cb1″>Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 14:47, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Chaotic Enby|Chaotic Enby]] I like these changes. The status quo is horrible for new users. (Any thoughts on {{Section link|#Simplification effort}}, to in a way also help new users?) [[User:FaviFake|FaviFake]] ([[User talk:FaviFake|talk]]) 15:36, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
:@[[User:Chaotic Enby|Chaotic Enby]] I like these changes. The status quo is horrible for new users. (Any thoughts on {{Section link|#Simplification effort}}, to in a way also help new users?) [[User:FaviFake|FaviFake]] ([[User talk:FaviFake|talk]]) 15:36, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
== More simplification ==
I was looking at {{tl|db-notice-multiple}}, which can easily be one of the most overwhelming notices in terms of length and seriousness, making for a pretty poor user onboarding experience. There is a lot of redundant wording in that template, and I am thinking of simplifying the first paragraph from:
{{tqb|Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that [[{{{namespace|}}}:{{{1}}}]], a page that you created, has been tagged for deletion. This has been done under two or more of the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|criteria for speedy deletion]], by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly defined criteria, then it may soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:}}
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{{tqb|Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. [[{{{namespace|}}}:{{{1}}}]], which you created, has been tagged under two or more of the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|criteria for speedy deletion]]. The page can be deleted without discussion if it meets any of these strictly defined criteria:}}
And similarly for the alternate wording, which can be changed from:
{{tqb|A tag has been placed on [[{{{namespace|}}}:{{{1}}}]], requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|criteria for speedy deletion]], by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly defined criteria, then it may soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:}}
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{{tqb|A tag has been placed on [[{{{namespace|}}}:{{{1}}}]], requesting that it be deleted under two or more of the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|criteria for speedy deletion]]. The page can be deleted without discussion if it meets any of these strictly defined criteria:}} [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style=”color:#8a7500″>Chaotic <span style=”color:#9e5cb1″>Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 19:47, 5 November 2025 (UTC)
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Please change
{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>#ifeq: {{{additionally|}}}|||Additionally {{{additionally}}}}}<noinclude>
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{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>#ifeq: {{{additionally|}}}|||Additionally, {{{additionally}}}}}<noinclude>
I did not like how I had to put an en dash in Template:Db-llm-deleted, otherwise it would have been “Additionally if you would like”, which lacks a comma. The missing-comma use is seen in Template:Db-a10-notice and elsewhere. —Alalch E. 14:51, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
The following discussion might be of interest to you:
Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy#Incubation and the draftify-related standardized language.
Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 13:27, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
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Replace with {{Db-notice/sandbox}} to remove link from heading per MOS:HEAD:
For technical reasons, section headings should […] [n]ot contain links, especially where only part of a heading is linked. […] These technical restrictions are necessary to avoid technical complications and are not subject to override by local consensus.
The CSD page is still linked in every message, for example {{Db-nonsense-notice}}, so this isn’t removing the link. FaviFake (talk) 17:37, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
{{Edit template-protected}}template. That guideline is widely ignored outside of article space (that MOS page says that it applies to articles) and links in headers do not appear to cause any harm (unlike templates). It is possible that something has changed that makes those technical restrictions no longer applicable. I recommend opening a discussion at the relevant MOS talk page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:49, 15 October 2025 (UTC)- @Jonesey95 One harm I can think of is mobile users being unable to expand a section because if they try, they get sent to the link. (Also, the link is redundant, as I said) I’ve posed a {{please see}} at MOS:MOS FaviFake (talk) 17:54, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
I’ve started a rewording effort at {{db-llm-notice/sandbox}} to trim superfluous parts of the template and make the core message more readable. While having specific criteria is essential for admins to know when (or when not) to delete, these same specifics can be too much for a newcomer-oriented warning and might bury the important aspects (why the page is being tagged for deletion, how to contest it, where to ask for help). I’m thinking that this could also be adapted to other {{db-notice}}-derived templates (and possibly even the core template’s wording), as many of them are extremely wordy and not newcomer-friendly at all. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:47, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
- @Chaotic Enby I like these changes. The status quo is horrible for new users. (Any thoughts on § Simplification effort, to in a way also help new users?) FaviFake (talk) 15:36, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
I was looking at {{db-notice-multiple}}, which can easily be one of the most overwhelming notices in terms of length and seriousness, making for a pretty poor user onboarding experience. There is a lot of redundant wording in that template, and I am thinking of simplifying the first paragraph from:
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that [[:{{{1}}}]], a page that you created, has been tagged for deletion. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly defined criteria, then it may soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:
to
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. [[:{{{1}}}]], which you created, has been tagged under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion. The page can be deleted without discussion if it meets any of these strictly defined criteria:
And similarly for the alternate wording, which can be changed from:
A tag has been placed on [[:{{{1}}}]], requesting that it be deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which pages can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly defined criteria, then it may soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:
to
A tag has been placed on [[:{{{1}}}]], requesting that it be deleted under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion. The page can be deleted without discussion if it meets any of these strictly defined criteria:
