The main issue at hand is ”’ensuring clarity in sources cited”’ for the {{tq|hundreds of humanitarian groups}} claim in this template. [[User:Rainsage|Rainsage]] implied the current sources cited relate to 6 individual groups, which are ”’not sufficient”’ to support the {{tq|hundreds of humanitarian groups}}. This is true, but sourcing is established by the hyperlink. For what to do with the sourcing, I have three suggestions:
The main issue at hand is ”’ensuring clarity in sources cited”’ for the {{tq|hundreds of humanitarian groups}} claim in this template. [[User:Rainsage|Rainsage]] implied the current sources cited relate to 6 individual groups, which are ”’not sufficient”’ to support the {{tq|hundreds of humanitarian groups}}. This is true, but sourcing is established by the hyperlink. For what to do with the sourcing, I have three suggestions:
”'(a)”’ Keep things as they are with the only change being putting “”’Examples:”'” at the top of the claim’s ref to clarify these sources are not substantiating the broader claim, but acting as examples of [[WP:NOTABLE]] groups making this claim for further reading by the reader
”'(a)”’ Keep things as they are with the only change being putting “”’:”'” at the top of the claim’s ref to clarify these sources are not substantiating the broader claim, but acting as examples of [[WP:NOTABLE]] groups making this claim for further reading by the reader
”'(b)”’ Remove the sources entirely so as to avoid it serving as a potential [[red herring]]
”'(b)”’ Remove the sources entirely so as to avoid it serving as a potential [[red herring]]
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- Context
Rainsage pointed out in Talk:Gaza genocide#Notification of template creation for consensus on Gaza genocide that there are issues relating to the “hundreds of human rights groups” claim.
- Human rights groups wording
“Hundreds of human rights groups” is a misleading representation of List of humanitarian groups accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza content, which consists more broadly of human rights groups: “Hundreds of humanitarian groups” is more accurate. Therefore I changed the wording on my own to reflect this. This should be uncontroversial but please voice if you disagree.
Rainsage said it looks like there are 6 individual groups cited, 1 of which is MSF which is more of a humanitarian aid organization
, pointing out that humanitarian aid groups are not human rights groups. This change should resolve that aspect of this user’s concern.
- Concerns over sourcing
First and foremost: the new hundreds of humanitarian groups
claim is sufficiently substantiated as-is. List of humanitarian groups accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza is referenced by a hyperlink embedded in the claim. The article has sources for hundreds of individual and collective statements by different humanitarian groups accusing Israel of genocide. It is reasonable and uncontroversial extrapolation from information accessible in the article upon a brief scroll-through (and does not constitute a violation of WP:OR) that hundreds of groups have accused Israel of genocide.
The main issue at hand is ensuring clarity in sources cited for the hundreds of humanitarian groups
claim in this template. Rainsage implied the current sources cited relate to 6 individual groups, which are not sufficient to support the hundreds of humanitarian groups
. This is true, but sourcing is established by the hyperlink. For what to do with the sourcing, I have three suggestions:
(a) Keep things as they are with the only change being putting “Notable examples:” at the top of the claim’s ref to clarify these sources are not substantiating the broader claim, but acting as examples of WP:NOTABLE groups making this claim for further reading by the reader
(b) Remove the sources entirely so as to avoid it serving as a potential red herring
(c) Source at least 100 org accusations in the claim ref, copy+pasting from the List of humanitarian groups accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza article’s sources
I have temporarily implemented solution (a) until this discussion is resolved.
- Starting the discussion
I vote for solution (b) for the sake of concision, as the claim is sufficiently sourced without a ref. I would like to hear votes by other users, and I am open to hearing other opinions if they diverge from this proposed solution approach.
Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 21:11, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
The template mentions the International Association of Genocide Scholars as well as genocide studies scholars, separately. Aren’t they more or less synonymous in this case, in other words wouldn’t one of the two be sufficient? Throast {{ping}} me! (talk | contribs) 21:16, 28 September 2025 (UTC)
