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*[[MOS:INFOBOX]] says {{tq2|If the field is relevant to very few articles, it should probably not be included at all}} For the example given of [[Naomi Osaka]], which is a [[WP:GA]], her infobox listed residence of Beverly Hills isn’t otherwise mentioned in its lead. That aside, is she the exception for an arguably notable residence, or the tennis norm?—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 06:33, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

*[[MOS:INFOBOX]] says {{tq2|If the field is relevant to very few articles, it should probably not be included at all}} For the example given of [[Naomi Osaka]], which is a [[WP:GA]], her infobox listed residence of Beverly Hills isn’t otherwise mentioned in its lead. That aside, is she the exception for an arguably notable residence, or the tennis norm?—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 06:33, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

*:One of the things that happens a lot in tennis is players go to large academies to learn to play… sometimes for many years. They live out of country or they have multiple residences… like Monaco because of taxes. As an international player it happens a lot more than say the NBA or MLB or NHL. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 06:40, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

*:One of the things that happens a lot in tennis is players go to large academies to learn to play… sometimes for many years. They live out of country or they have multiple residences… like Monaco because of taxes. As an international player it happens a lot more than say the NBA or MLB or NHL. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 06:40, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

*”’Note”’ Wow… this is a massively used Tennis Project template and you invited editors from a previous Infobox Person template discussion? That could poison this RFC before it begins as it looks like canvassing. I’m actually in shock you did that. And did you post this where it matters most… at the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis|WikiProject Tennis talk page]] and think to perhaps ping its active members? No… nothing. So that isn’t everyone. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 06:37, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

*”’Note”’ Wow… this is a massively used Tennis Project template and you invited editors from a previous Infobox Person template discussion? That could poison this RFC before it begins as it looks like canvassing. I’m actually in shock you did that. And did you post this where it matters most… at the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis|WikiProject Tennis talk page]] and think to perhaps ping its active members? No… nothing. So that isn’t everyone. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 06:37, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Could you please edit this link to [[Wimbledon Championships|Wimbledon]] in the infobox template for players have competed in the Wimbledon Championships following a move request per Talk:Wimbledon#Requested move 3 July 2022. ApprenticeFan work 04:21, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done * Pppery * it has begun… 17:49, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is it worth amending this so that the default text is something like “incomplete” rather than 0-0 when the parameter is not entered – many players have 0-0 in classes that they have also won tournaments in. 2A02:C7C:60D7:5200:7978:6726:851A:FED3 (talk) 14:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Description of suggested change: Request for adding a new parameter under the Team competitions section for the United Cup. Unnamelessness (talk) 03:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Probrably adding | label97 = [[United Cup]] and | data97 = {{{United Cup|}}}, and subsquently update the follow-up parameters. Unnamelessness (talk) 03:26, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Primefac (talk) 08:45, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the update, Primefac (talk), but I am very sorry that for the consistency with the other parameters, the | data97 = {{{United Cup|}}} better to be | data97 = {{{UnitedCupresult|}}}. Also, I’m afraid that the Check for unknown parameters checklist also needs an update, so that the warning message would not be triggered in the preview when the parameter is implentmented. This could be done by set
{{#invoke:Check for unknown parameters|check|unknown=[[Category:Pages using infobox tennis biography with unsupported parameters|_VALUE_{{PAGENAME}}]]|preview = Page using [[Template:Infobox tennis biography]] with unknown parameter "_VALUE_"|ignoreblank=y
| embed | name | image | image_size | alt | caption | full_name | fullname | native_name | native_name_lang | itf_name | country_represented | country represented | country | residence | birth_date | birth_place | death_date | death_place | height | turnedpro | retired | plays | college | coach | careerprizemoney | tennishofyear | tennishofid | website | singlesrecord | singlestitles | highestsinglesranking | currentsinglesranking | AustralianOpenresult | FrenchOpenresult | Wimbledonresult | USOpenresult | AustralianOpenjuniorresult | FrenchOpenjuniorresult | Wimbledonjuniorresult | USOpenjuniorresult | AustralianOpenseniorresult | FrenchOpenseniorresult | Wimbledonseniorresult | USOpenseniorresult | WHCCresult | WCCCresult | TOCresult | MastersCupresult | GrandSlamCupresult | WCTFinalsresult | WTAChampionshipsresult | Olympicsresult | WheelchairTennisMastersresult | Paralympicsresult | Promajors | USProresult | WembleyProresult | FrenchProresult | Proother | doublesrecord | doublestitles | highestdoublesranking | currentdoublesranking | AustralianOpenDoublesresult | FrenchOpenDoublesresult | WimbledonDoublesresult | USOpenDoublesresult | AustralianOpenDoublesjuniorresult | FrenchOpenDoublesjuniorresult | WimbledonDoublesjuniorresult | USOpenDoublesjuniorresult | AustralianOpenDoublesseniorresult | FrenchOpenDoublesseniorresult | WimbledonDoublesseniorresult | USOpenDoublesseniorresult | WHCCDoublesresult | WCCCDoublesresult | MastersCupDoublesresult | WTAChampionshipsDoublesresult | OlympicsDoublesresult | WheelchairTennisMastersDoublesresult | ParalympicsDoublesresult | mixedrecord | mixedtitles | AustralianOpenMixedresult | FrenchOpenMixedresult | WimbledonMixedresult | USOpenMixedresult | WHCCMixedDoublesresult | WCCCMixedDoublesresult | OlympicMixedDoublesresult | WheelchairWorldTeamCupresult | DavisCupresult | FedCupresult | BJKCupresult | HopmanCupresult | WightmanCupresult | CoachYears | CoachPlayers | CoachSinglesTitles | CoachDoublesTitles | CoachTournamentRecord | CoachingAwards | CoachingRecords | module | medals-title | medaltemplates-title | medals | medaltemplates | medals-expand | medaltemplates-expand | updated
| Othertournaments | OthertournamentsDoubles | OthertournamentsMixedDoubles | Mixed | Team
}}
to
{{#invoke:Check for unknown parameters|check|unknown=[[Category:Pages using infobox tennis biography with unsupported parameters|_VALUE_{{PAGENAME}}]]|preview = Page using [[Template:Infobox tennis biography]] with unknown parameter "_VALUE_"|ignoreblank=y
| embed | name | image | image_size | alt | caption | full_name | fullname | native_name | native_name_lang | itf_name | country_represented | country represented | country | residence | birth_date | birth_place | death_date | death_place | height | turnedpro | retired | plays | college | coach | careerprizemoney | tennishofyear | tennishofid | website | singlesrecord | singlestitles | highestsinglesranking | currentsinglesranking | AustralianOpenresult | FrenchOpenresult | Wimbledonresult | USOpenresult | AustralianOpenjuniorresult | FrenchOpenjuniorresult | Wimbledonjuniorresult | USOpenjuniorresult | AustralianOpenseniorresult | FrenchOpenseniorresult | Wimbledonseniorresult | USOpenseniorresult | WHCCresult | WCCCresult | TOCresult | MastersCupresult | GrandSlamCupresult | WCTFinalsresult | WTAChampionshipsresult | Olympicsresult | WheelchairTennisMastersresult | Paralympicsresult | Promajors | USProresult | WembleyProresult | FrenchProresult | Proother | doublesrecord | doublestitles | highestdoublesranking | currentdoublesranking | AustralianOpenDoublesresult | FrenchOpenDoublesresult | WimbledonDoublesresult | USOpenDoublesresult | AustralianOpenDoublesjuniorresult | FrenchOpenDoublesjuniorresult | WimbledonDoublesjuniorresult | USOpenDoublesjuniorresult | AustralianOpenDoublesseniorresult | FrenchOpenDoublesseniorresult | WimbledonDoublesseniorresult | USOpenDoublesseniorresult | WHCCDoublesresult | WCCCDoublesresult | MastersCupDoublesresult | WTAChampionshipsDoublesresult | OlympicsDoublesresult | WheelchairTennisMastersDoublesresult | ParalympicsDoublesresult | mixedrecord | mixedtitles | AustralianOpenMixedresult | FrenchOpenMixedresult | WimbledonMixedresult | USOpenMixedresult | WHCCMixedDoublesresult | WCCCMixedDoublesresult | OlympicMixedDoublesresult | WheelchairWorldTeamCupresult | DavisCupresult | FedCupresult | BJKCupresult | HopmanCupresult | WightmanCupresult | UnitedCupresult | CoachYears | CoachPlayers | CoachSinglesTitles | CoachDoublesTitles | CoachTournamentRecord | CoachingAwards | CoachingRecords | module | medals-title | medaltemplates-title | medals | medaltemplates | medals-expand | medaltemplates-expand | updated
| Othertournaments | OthertournamentsDoubles | OthertournamentsMixedDoubles | Mixed | Team
}} after the parameter name update. Unnamelessness (talk) 05:17, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Primefac (talk) 08:47, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This should never have been added without substantial consultation with tennis project. This is a minor event with no history, just like Laver Cup. There are plenty of events that are purposely omitted from the infobox and, without discussion, none should be added. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:17, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reverted as contested. Primefac (talk) 07:18, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you change the link from Fed Cup to Billie Jean King Cup? Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:19, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Primefac (talk) 14:25, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done, BJK Cup already has a link and params. Unless consensus says otherwise, I would argue that keeping it as “Fed Cup” will keep the names consistent for the time period in which the cup was won. Primefac (talk) 14:27, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please give a line as “No. of grandslams won: __ ” (for both singles and doubles) in infobox. Beacuse everytime when the user views the wiki page of a top player, he/she has to count the number of grandslams won, if he/she wants to know how much grandslams the player has won.
—106.51.179.120 (talk) 06:27, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The terminology would have to be different before considering. The last male to win a Grand Slam was Rod Laver in 1969. Steffi Graf was the last female. I suppose under the “Grand Slam singles results” in the infobox we could have something like Total won: 3. The trouble is 99.9% of players will have won zero. This will affect very few articles and even those who have won a major it’s probably 1-4 which is easily countable. It’s rare players like Graf and Djokovic that cause the heavy counting. So maybe it could be added for those rare times it could be useful. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:44, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is a line as: “Career titles:__”. Another line can be given below as: “Career grandslams: __”, which can be made visible only if the player has won a grandslam.
—106.51.179.120 (talk) 07:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It would never be written as “Career Grandslams”. One it’s two words, and two… no player has won a Grand Slam since 1988. Maybe “Major titles”. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didnt mean Calender Grandslam. In the article Grand Slam (tennis) its given as “…winning all four major championships in one discipline in a calendar year,..” and in article Wimbledon Championships, as: “Wimbledon is one of the four Grand Slam tennis tournaments…“. User:Fyunck(click), whats your view on this?
—106.51.179.120 (talk) 08:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We have to be careful not to confuse readers with the terms. There really is no calendar Grand Slam. There is Grand Slam (winning all four majors in a year) and non-calendar Grand Slam (winning all four majors consecutively but not in a single year). There is also the four tennis “majors” or “Grand Slam tournaments” which are the individual events that make up a Grand Slam. You really need to make sure the word “tournament” is attached so as not to confuse it with the term Grand Slam. If it ever gets put in the infobox it would need to use “major” or “Grand Slam tournaments”, and Grand Slam tournament totals is a bit long for the box width. Plus the term “Career Grand Slam” is actually used to refer to winning all four majors at any time in a player’s career. 08:41, 4 July 2023 (UTC)Fyunck(click) (talk)
Concur with Fyunck; we already have a list of “Grand Slam singles results” listed in the infobox, and as mentioned it’s happened all of 25 times in the last century, so the signal/noise ratio is rather low and not really worth including (especially given all of the potential confusion and/or misuse indicated above). Primefac (talk) 08:51, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It’s possible we could add something like I did here on Federer’s article (putting major titles under singles titles), but I’m not sure we need it or if we could get the Tennis Project to go along with it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:00, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you User:Fyunck(click). User:Primefac, please consider adding a line “Major titles won: __” because, there are around 37 players (in both men and women) who has won 7+ major titles, and whenever their page is visited and if the user wants to know their total number of major titles win, he/she has to count looking at the years.
—106.51.179.120 (talk) 10:09, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We should add |honorific prefix= and |honorific suffix=, like in {{Infobox person}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy’s edits 15:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Change “Coach” to “Coach(es)” in the Infobox tennis biography 72.226.1.120 (talk) 15:02, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Usually a player has only one coach. And only the current coach is supposed to be in the infobox, the rest in a separate prose section. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:36, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit template-protected}} template. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put’er there 20:29, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Description of suggested change:
Remove font-weight: lighter from belowstyle for accessibility reasons. It’s font-weight: 100 and basically unreadable on macOS. NM 00:58, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I’m missing something, the font is the same size for me in places like Venus Williams. Am I opposed, no, but I don’t know what “lighter” is supposedly doing. Primefac (talk) 12:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Done It looks OK to me in my browser, but with some fonts, reducing the weight (i.e. the opposite of bolding) can make text thin and difficult to read. There is no benefit to a lighter weight here, and some potential for accessibility problems. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:15, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Primefac, I forgot to provide this link for an explanation of what “lighter” does. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I propose we change the header color to a green, similar to how the Infobox for swimmers has a blue color for their headers. I’ve made the changes in the sandbox as an example of what it would look like with a “tennis ball green” coloring Bluealbion (talk) 01:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add “/university” to |college= so that it displays the university names for biographies of American or non-American tennis players who competed in Canada’s U Sports or any varsity competition elsewhere outside the United States. Santiago Claudio (talk) 04:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would say no as U Sports isn’t notable per Tennis project. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I meant to type… add “/university” to |label13=college when this infobox is in biographies of non-American tennis players who played U.S. varsity tennis. Santiago Claudio (talk) 05:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Easy enough to add a |university= parameter, which will also change the label if used. Primefac (talk) 09:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Primefac: Using pixels is deprecated at wikipedia for infobox image sizing and that’s what the image_size parameter does. Can get an image_upright parameter added like we have done at “Template:Infobox person”? That way instead of changing image.jpg to “file:image.jpg|frameless|upright=.8” we can simply add the parameter image_upright=.8

That would be a lot easier for tennis bios and doesn’t change anything for current articles. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:48, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to sandbox it. Primefac (talk) 23:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac: I just tried it. Using the Template from the well-used “Template:Infobox person” I pretty much pasted it into Template:Infobox tennis biography/sandbox. Seems to work as expected except for making the bars green instead of blue. Maybe because it’s a sandbox template rather than a standard template? I used article Jovana Jović as the test player for the sandbox. The parameter for the infobox “image_upright” seems to work well, with no red warnings. I guess our tennis bio template wasn’t updated when the infobox person was updated. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:27, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, sorted. Primefac (talk) 14:57, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac: Thanks but one big problem. You accidentally removed the image_upright parameter from “checking for unknown parameters” section. I added it back to the sandbox with this edit. It won’t work with that removed as the template sees it as an unknown parameter. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:23, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Technically I didn’t remove it, I just forgot to add it (the sandbox was a mess). I’ve added it in now. Thanks. Primefac (talk) 19:35, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Description of suggested change:

Can someone please wrap the Tfm notice in noinclude tags? There is no need for it to be transcluded everywhere this template is used.
Tvx1 10:11, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Tvx1 by convention WP:TFM notices are included to draw people to the discussion. —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:14, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But this is not the template that’s being discussed? Tvx1 18:37, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion is to merge the two so both are involved. — Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 19:10, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
True. All the garbage from real tennis, even though it doesn’t pertain to tennis, would be merged into tennis biography. So it makes a big difference that many need to be aware of. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:32, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it’s been withdrawn anyway. Tvx1 09:28, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox person has an RfC for possible consensus regarding the removal of color from person infoboxes. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. — Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:31, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Residence has been part of infobox tennis biography template for a long time. Why was this removed without notice or discussion here? Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:37, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I advised you when you commented on my talk page, this was the result of a very clear RFC. It has been removed from {{infobox person}} and {{Infobox sportsperson}} among many others. I see no reason that {{Infobox tennis biography}} should be exempt from this RFC decision… Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 05:51, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was not a blanket agreement, and if it were and the projects it affected were not informed, it is completely wrong to do so. There was a discussion about overturning the “specific” infobox person decision in 2024 and it was pointed out the specific project templates have different needs. If you want to start a discussion to see what the Tennis Project thinks about a removal be my guest, but the template is tennis player specific and needs Tennis Project approval for changes of that magnitude. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:08, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At an RFC in 2019, there was overwhelming support to remove |residence= from {{Infobox person}} and from {{Infobox sportsperson}}.

In 2024, at a second RFC that decision was affirmed and overwhelming agreed to for a second time.

Given that {{Infobox person}} and {{Infobox sportsperson}} both had this parameter removed, should {{Infobox tennis biography}} do the same.

For the record and for full disclosure, I initially went ahead and removed it as I felt that the 2 RFCs made it clear that this change was to be made. That removal was objected to fiercely by another editor who felt I had overstepped. I have reverted my change and here we are.

A few arguments
  • Per MOS:IBXPURPOSE: The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance
  • The “residence” is almost never sourced and is not really relevant to the player’s biography
  • To quote one editor at the previous RFC, “Completely non-educational unless you’re some sort of celebrity stalker“.

Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 06:09, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@9t5, 4theloveofallthings, Bagumba, Bluerasberry, Brainulator9, Cocobb8, Coolcaesar, Cyphoidbomb, DarkGlow, Dmehus, Doniago, FieldMarine, FlightTime, Goldsztajn, HTGS, Kusma, Levivich, MarnetteD, Moxy, Nikkimaria, Remsense, RexxS, Ryk72, SMcCandlish, Teblick, and Vanisaac: courtesy ping to those who commented on the two related RFCs (I THINK I got everyone). —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 06:16, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose There are a lot of things that aren’t sourced that should be… but this was removed with no discussion. Glad to see it has one now. Tennis players often play for one country but reside in another… that is important stuff at a glance. We have players like Naomi Osaka who plays for Japan but lives in the US. We have players that live in Russia but because Russia is banned as a nation in tennis the player plays for another country. That is important to know. Maybe other sports and businesses don’t have that type of location balance. Most huge sports are team sports so they may need different parameters, but with tennis it is very common to play for one nation and live in another… that’s important for readers to know and why we have kept it all these decades. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:25, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • MOS:INFOBOX says

    If the field is relevant to very few articles, it should probably not be included at all

    For the example given of Naomi Osaka, which is a WP:GA, her infobox listed residence of Beverly Hills isn’t otherwise mentioned in its lead. That aside, is she the exception for an arguably notable residence, or the tennis norm?—Bagumba (talk) 06:33, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    One of the things that happens a lot in tennis is players go to large academies to learn to play… sometimes for many years. They live out of country or they have multiple residences… like Monaco because of taxes. As an international player it happens a lot more than say the NBA or MLB or NHL. Players like Daniil Medvedev play for Russia and live in Monaco, as does #10 Holger Rune and #3 Alexander Zverev. Women’s #1 Aryna Sabalenka plays for Belarus and lives in the US. And #10 ranked Elena Rybakina was born in Russia, plays for Kazakhstan, and lives in UAE. #5 Mirra Andreeva plays for Russia and lives in France. So this happens a lot. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:40, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note Wow… this is a massively used Tennis Project template and you invited editors from a previous Infobox Person template discussion? That could poison this RFC before it begins as it looks like canvassing. I’m actually in shock you did that. And did you post this where it matters most… at the WikiProject Tennis talk page and think to perhaps ping its active members? No… nothing. So that isn’t everyone. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:37, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    you need to calm down. I invited EVERYONE involved in the previous discussion, not just those I agreed with. And I was in the process of posting on the talk page. This rfc has been live for all of 5 minutes. seriously calm down. – Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 06:41, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry but with your previous accusations I am not happy with your attitude at all. And there was no previous discussion here. You invited people from a different discussion. Oh and the RfC you posted after my post… all it says is there’s an RfC going on. No context at all. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:48, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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