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Hello @Mailer Diablo,

Hello @Mailer Diablo,

I understand I was blocked for block evasion. I logged into a second account while blocked, which I now realize was against Wikipedia policy. I’m sorry for that mistake — I didn’t mean to avoid rules or cause disruption.

I understand I was blocked for block evasion. I logged into a second account while blocked, which I now realize was against Wikipedia policy. I’m sorry for that mistake — I didn’t mean to avoid rules or cause

I promise not to use multiple accounts again and will only edit with this account. I just want to make constructive edits, especially improving language articles with reliable sources.

Please consider unblocking me so I can return to editing in good faith.

Thank you for your time and understanding. 🙏 [[User:2paknartopa|2paknartopa]] ([[User talk:2paknartopa#top|talk]]) 07:27, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

:I understand I was blocked for block evasion. I created another account (Pakstonar12) while blocked, but I now realize that was against policy. I’m sorry for the mistake and I’ll only use this account (2paknartopa) moving forward.

:Please consider unblocking me so I can continue contributing constructively. [[User:2paknartopa|2paknartopa]] ([[User talk:2paknartopa#top|talk]]) 07:48, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

::Hello,

::My account has been blocked. I understand the reason for the block and I will make sure to follow all Wikipedia rules in the future.

::Please consider unblocking me so I can continue contributing constructively. Thank you. 🙏 [[User:2paknartopa|2paknartopa]] ([[User talk:2paknartopa#top|talk]]) 07:53, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit(s) you made to Hindko, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:36, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thanks for your message. My intention was constructive. I was adding that many Pashtuns from Hazara and Chhachh regions speak Hindko. This information is accurate, but I understand it needs a reliable source. I’ll look for a published reference and re-add it with a citation. Thank you for pointing it out. 2paknartopa (talk) 05:50, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thanks for your note. My intention was constructive. I edited the Hindko page to reflect that Hindko is recognized as a separate language by many scholars, not just a dialect of Punjabi. I will look for a reliable published source to support this and then re-add the information with proper citation. Thank you for pointing it out. 2paknartopa (talk) 05:55, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop removing sourced information. If you have concerns, use the talk page and reach WP:CONSENSUS. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:30, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 2paknartopa! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of Hindko several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you’re aware that the edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.

All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree at Talk:Hindko, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:31, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

thank you for your input. However, I would like to point out that Hindko is recognized as a language in several reliable sources. For example, the Pakistani census lists Hindko separately as a mother tongue, and international linguistic databases such as Ethnologue and Glottolog also classify Hindko as a language, not just a dialect cluster. While it is true that some linguists group it under Lahnda, many others—and importantly, its own speakers—consider it a distinct language with its own identity. For this reason, describing Hindko as a “language” in the lead is both accurate and supported by sources. 2paknartopa (talk) 00:03, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Hindko. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users’ edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article’s talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:14, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @History of Iran,

I noticed my previous edit regarding Hindko being a distinct language was reverted. My addition was sourced from reliable sources such as:

Rensch, Calvin (1992), Languages of Pakistan, pp. 53, 10–11 Shackle, Christopher (1980), Hindko in Kohat and Peshawar, p. 482

I tried to phrase it neutrally:

“Hindko is an Indo-Aryan language spoken in northwestern Pakistan. While some linguists classify it as part of the Lahnda group, several sources describe it as a distinct language with its own identity.”

I would appreciate your feedback on this phrasing so we can agree on a version that reflects reliable sources and remains neutral. 2paknartopa (talk) 00:37, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @History of Iran, thanks for your input. I just want to clarify that Hindko is officially recognized as a separate language in Pakistan’s national census (2017). This shows that, at the state and demographic level, Hindko is treated as a distinct language, not merely a dialect.

Equally important, many Hindko speakers themselves recognize it as their own distinct language and identity, not simply a dialect of another tongue. This is noted in sources such as Rensch (1992), which highlights the ethnic diversity and strong identity among Hindko speakers.

For neutral wording, I propose something like:

“Hindko (ہندکو, Hindkō) is an Indo-Aryan language spoken by several million people in northwestern Pakistan, primarily in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, northern Punjab, and Azad Kashmir. Pakistan’s census recognizes Hindko as a separate language, and many of its speakers identify it as such, while some linguists classify it within the broader Lahnda group.”

This way, the article reflects both the official recognition and the self-identification of speakers, alongside the academic classification, in a balanced way. 2paknartopa (talk) 00:51, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve restored this sourced material after replying twice and waiting 14 days for a response. If it is reverted again, I will reply here to discuss it before any further changes.” 2paknartopa (talk) 23:38, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators’ noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia’s policy on edit warring. Thank you. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:33, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

thank you for your input. However, I would like to point out that Hindko is recognized as a language in several reliable sources. For example, the Pakistani census lists Hindko separately as a mother tongue, and international linguistic databases such as Ethnologue and Glottolog also classify Hindko as a language, not just a dialect cluster. While it is true that some linguists group it under Lahnda, many others—and importantly, its own speakers—consider it a distinct language with its own identity. For this reason, describing Hindko as a “language” in the lead is both accurate and supported by sources. 2paknartopa (talk) 23:59, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I noticed your edit regarding Hindko. In the context of Pakistan, Hindko is recognized as a distinct language, not just a dialect, as shown by reliable sources. Let’s discuss any changes here on the talk page rather than reverting, so we can resolve it collaboratively 2paknartopa (talk) 00:11, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIran “Although Hindko includes several regional varieties, it is recognized as a distinct language in Pakistan. Linguists, official sources, and the census treat it as a language, and speakers identify themselves as Hindko-speaking. 2paknartopa (talk) 00:41, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIranHello, I understand your concern. I have already provided reliable sources showing that Hindko is recognized as a distinct language in Pakistan. Many speakers identify as Hindko-speaking, and census data supports this classification. I am happy to discuss any points here on the talk page rather than through repeated article edits.” 2paknartopa (talk) 00:50, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Case (talk) 02:54, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia’s no original research policy by adding your personal analysis or synthesis into articles, as you did at Nartopa, you may be blocked from editing.
Please read the Introduction to contentious topics notification on your talk page prior to making further changes to any Wikipedia article. Further disruption to WP:CT/SA pages, including the removal of unsourced content, or the addition of poorly sourced content, will result in an indefinite block from editing. Thank you. Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 16:59, 15 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Yamaguchi先生I am from the Hindko-speaking area and grew up with the language; I will not rely on my personal experience as evidence and will support any edits with reliable published sources (for example: Pakistan census data, peer-reviewed linguistics, Ethnologue). 2paknartopa (talk) 05:14, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, 2paknartopa. Your editing pattern indicates that you may be using multiple accounts or coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia, such as Pakstonar12 (talk · contribs). Our policy on multiple accounts usually does not allow this, and users who misuse multiple accounts may be blocked from editing. If you operate multiple accounts directly or with the help of another person, please disclose these connections. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 21:43, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your message. I want to clarify that I have only been using my account, 2paknartopa, and I am not coordinating edits with anyone outside Wikipedia. I understand Wikipedia’s rules about multiple accounts and edit coordination, and I will continue to follow them carefully. If anything I did appeared problematic, I apologize and will make sure to use the talk pages for discussion rather than repeated edits in the future.@ 2paknartopa (talk) 00:08, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Haris Rauf, you may be blocked from editing. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:38, 2 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Go and see the facts then talk OK 2paknartopa (talk) 00:04, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are a set of policies here in Wikipedia. Your “facts” are not part of them. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:08, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIranI understand that Wikipedia policies guide what can be included in articles. I’m not trying to bypass policies; rather, I’m citing reliable, verifiable sources recognized in academia and official statistics, such as Ethnologue and the Pakistan Census 2017, which list Hindko as a distinct language. I’m sharing these sources so the article reflects both scholarly classification and official recognition. I’m happy to discuss further here on the talk page in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines.

Thank you 2paknartopa (talk) 00:18, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No you’re not. And now you’re making the same thing about another topic that you have already said a dozen times. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:20, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIranIt seems you may not be fully familiar with cricket, yet you are commenting as if you are. I recommend reviewing reliable sources before making assertions on this topic, so the discussion and article remain accurate and neutral.

Thank you. 2paknartopa (talk) 00:23, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIranIt seems you’re commenting on topics related to Pakistan, but you may not be familiar with the context or sources here. Repeating points without local knowledge or reliable sources is disruptive. Please refrain from following my edits or making assertions about Pakistan unless you can provide verifiable references 2paknartopa (talk) 00:26, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIran

I would like to note that the Hindko article, when it was first created, included information highlighting its historical significance as an ancient language. This context is important for understanding the language’s background and should be considered before removing or changing content. My edits are based on reliable sources and aim to reflect both scholarly perspectives and historical information about Hindko. 2paknartopa (talk) 00:21, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop pinging me. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:24, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@HistoryofIranPlease stop pinging me. I am following Wikipedia’s guidelines and discussing topics with reliable sources. Repeatedly pinging me or following my edits is disruptive. Let’s keep the discussion focused on verifiable content. 2paknartopa (talk) 00:28, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve turned off receiving notifications from you. And if you keep disrupting articles, I will report you again. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:35, 3 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Mailer Diablo,

I understand I was blocked for block evasion. I logged into a second account while blocked, which I now realize was against Wikipedia policy. I’m sorry for that mistake — I didn’t mean to avoid rules or cause