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:: Yes I utilized ChatGPT to find additional sources and it reflected in the URL, and furthermore, I am aware that em dashes are a well-known indication of AI use, so I understand your logic in adding the tag and think your assessment was fair. I believe my sources are reliable and properly deployed. but I’ll have to use [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Dashes|dashes]] more sparingly going forward. Thanks for explaining! [[User:Alexander Patmos|Alexander Patmos]] ([[User talk:Alexander Patmos|talk]]) 00:51, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

:::Other than what the non-useful message above just detailed (–), [[MOS:CURLY|curly quotes]] (“ and ” or ‘ and ’) usage are also an indicator (as it is not standard per the [[WP:Manual of style|MOS]]). The most ostensible part in the article is the non-standard subheadings, just as an instance: {{tq|”A Short Treatise”…, therapy and claim rationale}}, the [[Earth-bathing#A Short Treatise…, therapy and claim rationale|subheading]] in the article is not a standard subheading on Wikipedia and seems fabricated and along with knowledge cut-off dates are usually indicative of AI writing or known on Wikipedia as [[WP:LLM]]. [[Special:Contributions/182.187.148.47|182.187.148.47]] ([[User talk:182.187.148.47|talk]]) 15:33, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

::I draftified the article for being composed of LLM-generated text. I documented an example of LLM-style language and source-to-text integrity issues at the draft talk page. [[User:NicheSports|NicheSports]] ([[User talk:NicheSports|talk]]) 02:56, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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@ToBeFree: ??? Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 06:30, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts exactly, looking at [1] ~ ToBeFree (talk) 06:31, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ChildrenWillListen, I was surprised to see this block, but what on earth did you think you were doing on that article? Why didn’t you just wait for an admin to block the IP? — asilvering (talk) 06:43, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, looking at the timestamps again, and with this rather clear clarification that this was prohibited good-faith behavior that additionally fed a troll, it’s so unlikely that you’d continue or would repeat it on other pages that I can unblock right away. I also see that the first edits to their talk page were vandalism, but WP:UP#CMT exists and throwing an edit warring warning, of all possible messages, an edit warring warning! on their page in this fashion is absurdly beyond the options. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 06:43, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done ~ ToBeFree (talk) 06:45, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

throwing an edit warring warning, of all possible messages, an edit warring warning!: I didn’t even know that happened. When I enabled the script, the user was modifying warnings from other users (example), so I reverted their edits there. I don’t care if people remove warnings from their userpage, and I don’t recall ever edit warring those back in. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 07:11, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, that one. It’s a script I created to revert vandals as soon as they edit a certain page; it’s meant for abusers like Salebot1 and others who rapidly vandalize articles or game permissions. I ran it on their talk page and went on to do other things, and it seems they just kept reverting over and over again. I realized this was happening for too long and shut it down. I also never realized this can be construed as edit warring (per WP:3RRNO), but I know better now and would not do that again, and remove that feature from my script just in case (and perhaps get rollback removed since it has clearly got me in trouble, just not the way I think it would.) Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 06:45, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did think for a moment about revoking rollback but I don’t think doing so would benefit either you or the encyclopedia. You would, however, have to request approval for such automation outside of your own userspace and without manual supervision. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 06:49, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also disclose of having used a script to rollback all edits by Spare account 1143546781 per WP:BANREVERT. I don’t think I ever used used rollback at all besides through those two scripts, and I’d like to have it revoked for now. I’ll request the perms somewhere if I ever need it again. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 07:07, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You may like to use rollback as a server-sided, fast alternative to Twinkle’s red VANDAL rollback link or similar things provided by other tools. For Twinkle, CSS for removing the red link is at User:ToBeFree/common.css. Revoking the permission, uh … from my side, not directly after the block and unblock today. It would feel too much like a forced revocation / delayed penalty. If you have thought about this for a few days and noone did it yet, feel free to ping/notify me about it again. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:33, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Ah, one thing regarding 3RRNO, this is a rare case where not even reverting a banned user would be justification enough, as even banned users are allowed to edit their own talk page, not just for filing an appeal but at least also for removing read messages. It may be arguable whether someone whose account is blocked is allowed to edit their IP’s talk page and whether that depends on still having access to the account. But that’s a rather academic discussion as what happened there was simply pointlessly disruptive independently of the edit warring policy.) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 06:54, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, reverting gaming edits does not do anything to stop them. What matters is their edit count as shown on the contributions page. Seercat3160 (talk) 07:10, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend reading Wikipedia:Don’t edit-war with vandals or sockpuppets to understand the downsides of such an approach. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for getting rid of that crud on my talk page last night. Thought I might return the favor. Keep up the good work, Lynch 44 12:03, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I saw your G4 speedy deletion nomination for this article. Is it possible to salt through speedy deletion, or does a salt request require a new AFD? Thank you, 198.145.229.62 (talk) 15:03, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, typically a new AfD, but you can ask an uninvolved admin to do it for you out-of-process. But do see WP:NOSALT for why salting is a bad idea in general. If you create an account, you can add this page to your watchlist, and be instantly alerted when someone recreates it. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 15:05, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I should’ve carefully inspected that IP user’s edit in Iterator. I wasn’t aware that “Iterator” was correlated to computer programming, I just thought it was gonna be some random article about plants (judging by the name of the article) since I was quickly moving through edits in the Recent Changes, so I wasn’t expecting to run into some edits which look arcane to me like “import std;”. I thought the IP was implying “sexually transmitted disease” (you see what I mean, right?). That’s why I reverted, although I was wrong. So yeah, I thought you deserved an explanation to my strange revert there. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 03:53, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ivebeenhacked: You’re good. See C++ standard library. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 03:54, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, the IP took exception to this comment I made. I wasn’t online yesterday and it was certainly something to log in today and see a whole ANI thread. Gotta update the counter on my userpage too. I’m happy to go in depth about the connections between Dinoboyaz and the IPs, but honestly I just suggest taking a look at Dinoboyaz’s contribs and pattern of behavior and I think you’ll see the resemblance too. He’s been harassing me and Pi for a few years now, and it’s even gotten into harassing messages on my Commons talk page after one of his IPs caught a block for socking and proxy use. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 18:24, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (botop|talk) 20:31, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I’m requesting that the recent edit removing Shari Kasman from the “More than a Beach” documentary description be restored. She is documented as appearing in the film as tour guide, so removing this factual information makes the article less accurate. Thank you. 2001:4958:3412:E701:3D88:6F5:1610:467B (talk) 01:29, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Im referring to the Bloordale Beach entry. 2001:4958:3412:E701:3D88:6F5:1610:467B (talk) 01:30, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yes that one, thanks for letting me know what this is about. I don’t see why we should add that per WP:DUE, we generally don’t name members of the cast when we mention a film or documentary from an unrelated article (exceptions may apply, of course.) Also, I recall that page had issues with WP:COI editing by multiple individuals, so can you please disclose if you are related to any of them in any way? Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 01:36, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(replacing Yapperbot) SodiumBot (botop|talk) 07:30, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, would you be able to clarify the reason for the AI-generated tag on Earth-bathing? I have confirmed that the information is consistent with the cited sources while being paraphrased so as to not violate copyright, aside from occasional direct quotes when necessary. I put care into consolidating the sourced information, and the references are not fictitious. Was there anything in particular that stood out to you as hallucinated, or would you have any suggestions for improvement? I’m interested in creating more articles, so any feedback would be appreciated, thanks! Alexander Patmos (talk) 17:10, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexander Patmos: There were ChatGPT citations in the initial version of the article, and also the excessive use of em-dashes. Only remove the tag if you are absolutely sure that the article has proper source-text integrity. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 18:39, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I utilized ChatGPT to find additional sources and it reflected in the URL, and furthermore, I am aware that em dashes are a well-known indication of AI use, so I understand your logic in adding the tag and think your assessment was fair. I believe my sources are reliable and properly deployed. but I’ll have to use dashes more sparingly going forward. Thanks for explaining! Alexander Patmos (talk) 00:51, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Other than what the non-useful message above just detailed (–), curly quotes (“ and ” or ‘ and ’) usage are also an indicator (as it is not standard per the MOS). The most ostensible part in the article is the non-standard subheadings, just as an instance: A Short Treatise…, therapy and claim rationale, the subheading in the article is not a standard subheading on Wikipedia and seems fabricated and along with knowledge cut-off dates are usually indicative of AI writing or known on Wikipedia as WP:LLM. 182.187.148.47 (talk) 15:33, 3 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I draftified the article for being composed of LLM-generated text. I documented an example of LLM-style language and source-to-text integrity issues at the draft talk page. NicheSports (talk) 02:56, 9 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for being observative, and for so politely and deservedly delivering a boot to my backside. Well, the article Grammatical tenses needs a great amount of work (I’ve hardly started on it); and once it’s corrected and sourced and examples are provided, in its entirety it’s likely to be simplistic or indigestible or, most likely, a strange mixture of both. I’m rather regretting my amiable response here; perhaps I should have just ignored the directive “improve page on Tenses”. — Hoary (talk) 08:28, 5 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keeps erasing everything I’m adding even though I can’t see anything wrong with them. RandomSillyGuy9 (talk) 20:46, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@RandomSillyGuy9: Please do not add WP:FANCRUFT or other non-notable entries to disambiguation pages. In general, entries must only be added if they are mentioned in the article you link. Thanks! Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 20:48, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oh ok now I see RandomSillyGuy9 (talk) 20:53, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

you mentioned at ANI that each temporary account can only be used by one person. as far as i can tell there’s no ID verification or biometrics involved, so i’m not sure what you mean. ~2025-31294-09 (talk) 21:54, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-31294-09: People can share cookies, but only if they want to. On the other hand, many people can share the same IP address and can’t choose otherwise. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 22:39, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ah ok. thanks ~2025-31294-09 (talk) 22:51, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators’ noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Aesurias (talk) 06:22, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No need to involve yourself if you don’t want to but I saw you dealed with this user so thought I should let you know. Have a good day! Aesurias (talk) 06:22, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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