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Dear Noclador, I have now found a deletion request you filed as speedy delete for the First Egyptian Army org diagram in February 2020 – the sources are bullshit – and reinstated it with my name at the very end. The new sources can be seen at the deletion discussion. There are two armies with no intermediate corps in the east, under a higher command, and four military districts. First Army (United Arab Republic) was a designation covering forces in Syria, though some ill-informed sources have said it control(s) forces to the rear of Second and Third Armies. I am not sure why you got so angry so quickly, but I had no intention of offending you, and no intention of blackmailing you. The data on the verified 2018 organisation of the two armies and four military districts (eg Northern Military Region (Egypt)) is all available at the articles in question. Happy to elaborate or explain further.

Then I want to work with you to create an org diagram covering the Unified Command and its two armies and its divisions; and the four districts, down to division level. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there is an issue, always come to my talkpage. I will work with anyone to resolve any issue as quickly as possible. That said: Ok, let’s delete the 1st Army graphic, and then we work on creating correct graphics and overwrite the two other files. All easy, if you tell me on my talkpage what needs to be done. Best regards, noclador (talk) 09:15, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK so please endorse the new Commons deletion request for First Army. Second, er, Second Army – in May 2018 comprised 6th Armd Div, HQ Mansoura; 7th Mech Div; 18th Mech Div (no certain locations for the other div HQs); 135th Ind Mech Brigade; two independent artillery brigades; independent engineer water brigade; independent engineer bridge brigade; independent engineer construction brigade. Source is listed at the deletion discussion. Please do note that the structure is as of May 2018. Buckshot06 (talk) 09:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am in the middle of updating the 298 Italian Army articles I wrote, but I will find time for the graphics. I didn’t find at which of the many deletion discussions the actual structure can be found. Also is this all we know about the Second Army?
  • 6th Armd Div, HQ Mansoura
  • 7th Mech Div
  • 18th Mech Div
  • 135th Mech Brigade
  • 2× independent artillery brigades
  • engineer water brigade
  • engineer bridge brigade
  • engineer construction brigade
This seems awfully little for creating a graphic. Do we know anything about the division structures? Best regards, noclador (talk) 00:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing reliable apart from the usual 2/1 split of mech/armd brigades in mech divs etc. Data is super thin. I would rather we concentrated on division level and above. The diagram at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Egyptian_Army_-_Second_Field_Army.png reflects (a) Egyptian disinformation; and (b) we usually deal with European armies etc who are open, transparent, instead of Egypt – completely closed and suspicious. Can clarify / expand supporting data by e-mail if necessary. Buckshot06 (talk) 11:46, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Noclador best wishes for all the work you are doing re north and east of Egypt.

In accordance with https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CENTRAL%20INTELLIGENCE%20BULL%5B15777415%5D.pdf page 12 of 16 pages (actually says p4 on the actual page) I have made a number of changes to the First Army file page, including a request for renaming to First Army, United Arab Republic, October 1958. If that move is successful I can start to put together a list of what the Syrians might have had in October 1958, so the diagram can be vaguely accurate. Buckshot06 (talk) 07:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The name change has been accepted and I can start digging around for a 1958 UAR/Syrian order of battle. Buckshot06 (talk) 07:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For your graphics;

– 5 Regt AAC and 6 Regt AAC of the 1st Aviation Brigade Combat Team now both have their Headquarters at Middle Wallop (not Aldergrove/Bury St Edmunds.)

– 1 Rifles is still under 7 Light BCT (even when based in Cyprus). 1 PWRR of 20th Armoured BCT is also in Cyprus right now. More precisely, 1 PWRR is at Episkopi, and 1 Rifles is at Dhekelia.

– in 19th Brigade, the entire brigade is made of Reserve units (some aren’t marked as reserve)

– 3RSME is at Minley, not Minley Manor

– Combat Manoeuvre Centre is at BOVINGTON

PAWPERSO (talk) 15:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Thank you for letting me know, noclador (talk) 17:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

32 Regiment Royal Artillery is now under the command of Joint Aviation Command, not Surveillance Group, Field Army Troops
2 Yorkshire Regiment missing ‘Royal’ Yorkshire Regiment in graphic (Land Warfare Centre) PAWPERSO (talk) 21:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PAWPERSO: Does this mean Surveillance Group has now no units? Should I leave it in or remove the entry for Surveillance Group?? noclador (talk) 01:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I say leave surveillance group HQ in there with no units under it. We won’t know for certain what’s happening with it until the defence review in a few months. PAWPERSO (talk) 04:36, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. I used the same blue color for 32 and 47 Rgt. Royal Artillery. If that is incorrect, please let me know. Best regards, noclador (talk) 10:20, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nominations now open for the WikiProject Military History newcomer of the year and military historian of the year awards for 2024! The the top editors will be awarded the coveted Gold Wiki. Nominations are open here and here respectively. The nomination period closes at 23:59 on 30 November 2024 when voting begins. On behalf of the coordinators, wishing you the very best for the festive season and the new year. MediaWiki message delivery via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:21, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi noclador: In line with the information about the dates for nomination for military historian of the year: please send me the count of the number of articles that you have written at B class and the ones that you have improved to B class in both 2023 and 2024. 2023 is mostly for background but I think it will improve the nomination. Note the deadline for the end of the month. I am looking forward to nominating you for this award. Donner60 (talk) 05:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I am dealing with computer problems, scam problems and identity theft. My online time will be very limited for the foreseeable future. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators#Account, computer, scam, problems; need help for more if you wish. Donner60 (talk) 09:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2026 Military Historian of the Year
As voted by your peers within the Military history WikiProject, I hereby award you the WikiProject Barnstar for being nominated for the 2026 Military Historian of the Year Award. Congratulations, and thank you for your efforts throughout the year. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

can you show me a source the KRH will stay as a CR3 regiment? Peacemaker600 (talk) 07:34, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure: The first tweet of the Royal Armoured Corps and the second tweet of the Royal Armoured Corps about retaining three armoured regiments and an article about it from Army Recognition. Best regards, noclador (talk) 09:25, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

” The UK armed forces’ most senior officer, the Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS), will, for the first time since this role was created, now command the service chiefs and head a newly-established Military Strategic Headquarters”

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-04-01/debates/25040143000006/DefenceReform

FYI

Peacemaker600 (talk) 03:04, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Information icon Hello there! @Noclador, I noticed that your making some great updates to Wikipedia and as a fellow Wikipedian I really appreciate it. An edit that you recently made seemed to be a mistake and has been reverted14:20, 24 October 2025. Tokeamour (talk) 20:27, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

However, feel free to review the citations claim once more and if it is not credible and misleading, please undo the revert.Tokeamour (talk) 22:45, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In addition Indian Embassy might be able to provide a source, though I suspect is very unreliable and highly unlikely. Tokeamour (talk) 20:28, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Information icon This revert was in good faith. The text from this conversation within my messages was altered from the original at 22:41 UTC to provide a more clear message as my brain functions better due to being in a trauma hospital 2 days ago. Tokeamour (talk) 20:35, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Tokeamour neither source says anything about the Cheyenne Mountain Complex being “temporary-closed”. Some ancillary stuff like the “aquatics center, bowling center, library, military and family readiness center, civilian personnel office and official mail center are all closed” at the nearby Peterson Space Force Base are closed, but does not affect Cheyenne Mountain, which, like all operations at ALL US military command centers, continues as usual. Best regards, and I wish you a good recovery. noclador (talk) 04:45, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’m glad this was cleared up, I appreciate the support, I also live within walking distance to the entrance so I can also confirm that it is open. I trust your judgement. Tokeamour (talk) 01:01, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Noclador and again, thank you for the support its been hard. Tokeamour (talk) 01:03, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple origins were added to prevent the constant editing war in the origin tab as some people get very defensive about their national MICs.

I created the solution due to a conflict regarding where the JIM-LR and Piranha and Eagle as when it comes to the JIM-LR it is sold by Safran is French company but made by a Swiss subsidiary leading to inconsistencies between lists where on one list its French and on another its Swiss, and an editing war where the origin is constantly changed. Id recommend re-adding the multiple origins to stop the constant changes or getting a more defined rule for “origin” NobuttoO (talk) 21:23, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Module:Location map/data/Scandinavia LCC map has been nominated for discussion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 08:41, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nominations now open for the WikiProject Military History newcomer of the year and military historian of the year awards for 2025! The top editors will be awarded the coveted Gold Wiki. Nominations are open here and here respectively. The nomination period closes at 23:59 on 30 November 2025 when voting begins. On behalf of the coordinators, wishing you the very best for the festive season and the new year. MediaWiki message delivery via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Correction: nominations are open until 23:59 (UTC) on 14 December 2025. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:21, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We’ve lost contact on that platform, or there is a problem. Can we chat on Commons @ J-Man11? Buckshot06 (talk) 21:43, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information. I have not tried to track down or review articles to detect any AI. Everyone should probably be aware of this growing problem but I am only beginning to become aware of spotting it and dealing with it. While I will be aware of it, I will not claim to be very knowledgeable or helpful for now.

My guess is that you are familiar with the following pages: Wikipedia:WikiProject AI Cleanup, Wikipedia:WikiProject AI Cleanup/Guide, Wikipedia:WikiProject AI Cleanup/Noticeboard. A few other possibly pertinent information articles and templates are listed at Category:WikiProject AI Cleanup. If you are not familiar with these articles, they may give you some guidance. If you think requests, questions or comments could be useful on the pertinent talk pages, you might consider doing that since members of that project might be able to help with this. Other than suggesting they help with general AI cleanup of the general category of articles, they may need to be alerted to specific examples, or a specific user’s actions that need to be reviewed. You may be ahead of me on your view of whether this would be appropriate or helpful, however.

I am not familiar with and have not recently (if ever) assessed this category of military history articles. I notice that there are only two other active members of the subject military history task force, User:Attilios and User:Srnec. Long-time active editor User:Cplakidas has not made an edit since April but would also be interested in this if he returns to editing. These three editors might be interested in watching out for this problem if you think that giving them specific notice would be useful and appropriate and you have not yet done so.

It seems to me that this problem, though not entirely new in general, should be mentioned to other coordinators. Perhaps it might be with useful to post a notice on the project talk page. Possibly this would give more potential military history editors notice to be on the look out for the problem. Perhaps you have already considered whether there any reasons for or against more widespread mention of this on a project talk page.

I thought it would be easier to reply here. I have tried to keep my comments somewhat general in the event further details or the specific topic should be kept confidential, at least for now. Thanks for being aware of the situation and making efforts to deal with it. If my note here seems to indicate that I have not commented on or become aware of some things or possible actions pertinent to the problem that you have tried to bring to my attention, feel free to give me some further thoughts or information. Donner60 (talk) 07:01, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Voting is now open for the WikiProject Military History newcomer of the year and military historian of the year awards for 2025! The top editors will be awarded the coveted Gold Wiki. Cast your votes here and here respectively. Voting closes at 23:59 on 30 December 2025. On behalf of the coordinators, wishing you the very best for the festive season and the new year. MediaWiki message delivery via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:55, 15 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am working on fixing this issue. Would you be interested in editing, if possible? There was also some comments on (talk): Cheyenne Mountain Complex that also noticed another issue… (also I know your busy) Tokeamour (talk) 03:09, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I left a comment regarding the rename of the article on the new talk page – Talk:87th Training Division#Rename of article. Could you respond there? I don’t understand the rationale. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 01:31, 26 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where did this official data come from? The ALL IN CAPS regiment listings?? Buckshot06 (talk) 08:16, 3 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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