User talk:Paccyd33: Difference between revisions

== October 2025 ==

[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please stop your [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive editing]].

* If you are engaged in an article [[Wikipedia:Editing policy|content dispute]] with another editor, discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the [[:Talk:Eagles in Middle-earth|article’s talk page]], and seek [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] with them. Alternatively you can read Wikipedia’s [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] page, and ask for independent help at one of the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution#Ask for help at a relevant noticeboard|relevant noticeboards]].

* If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, seek assistance at Wikipedia’s [[Wikipedia:Administrators’ noticeboard/Incidents|Administrators’ noticeboard/Incidents]].

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at [[:Eagles in Middle-earth]], you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]. ”There is a long-standing consensus in WikiProject Middle-earth that fan art is not suitable in most places in Wikipedia articles, and that it is especially unsuitable in the lead at the top of any article. It is disruptive and contrary, therefore, to insert a piece of fan art and simultaneously to delete the comment notifying you and anyone else with that intention that the action is inappropriate. Removal of such a comment is directly disruptive in itself.”<!– Template:uw-disruptive3 –> [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 09:33, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

:That is an image by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] mate, what are you talking about? It’s in multiple editions of the hobbit and I have provided a source in the description of the image. [[User:Paccyd33|Paccyd33]] ([[User talk:Paccyd33#top|talk]]) 09:34, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

:@Chiswick Chap: Here is a database of all tolkien related images. https://tai.tolkienists.org/tai/17/ The very article I have added this to references it. Check the link on the ‘this painting inspired tolkien’s work’. This is the piece it is talking about. I have just looked up a youtube video to confirm and it is indeed plate 9.[[User:Paccyd33|Paccyd33]] ([[User talk:Paccyd33#top|talk]]) 09:39, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

:: It is certainly Tolkien’s, I mistook your behaviour for out-and-out fan-dalism of which there’s plenty about. It would have helped if you had provided an edit comment: uncommented edits are typical of fans and vandals, as is removal of anti-fan art comments. For future reference, *every* edit should be commented: this is of advantage both to you and to every other editor who is watching the page (and to the anti-vandal patrol people, who work hard enough already). I am doubtful whether the fair usage rationale is valid for a theme article: such things are uncontentious for the cover pages of books in book articles (e.g. LOTR itself), but since there are many possible themes per book, the rationale is a deal thinner. I’m not going to take the image to XfD but I won’t be surprised if someone else does. [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 10:04, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

:::That was a mistake and I pretty much saw that immediately. Funnily enough, I was about to add a caption to the image when i spotted the talk page message. Is there a fair use category more applicable to it? I saw that the bilbo and sauron articles had a tolkien-made image, so I thought that would be fine. I’ll see if I can improve the rationale.[[User:Paccyd33|Paccyd33]] ([[User talk:Paccyd33#top|talk]]) 10:10, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

:::: The thing that would have helped would have been an edit comment, which could have been quite short, like “Tolkien’s image with NFUR”. I don’t think jiggling with NFUR categories will work. It is the case that the more specific categories attract less attention from the folks who patrol images, but you can’t pretend this is anything other than what it is. All non-free images have a fragile status at best; [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS|existence of other images]] should not be taken as any kind of defence. [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 10:28, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

::::: I’m not looking to pretend it is something it isn’t, which is why i’m asking if I should adjust it. Upload wizard added the comment ‘Any derivative work based upon the cover art would be a copyright violation, so creation of a free image is not possible’, when it is not the cover art. Does that matter? Can I just change the wording? [[User:Paccyd33|Paccyd33]] ([[User talk:Paccyd33#top|talk]]) 10:35, 10 October 2025 (UTC)