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Thank you! ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 04:31, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All the official sources claim it is a submachine gun including the manufacturer and the military that requested for the development. Please show me official sources that claims the gun categorized as carbine or assault rifle. And the source you used for “carbine” is K1A1 which has longer barrel than the original version. Kadrun (talk) 01:30, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia articles do not have any requirement to follow “official” sources; our standard is “reliable sources”. This is a core content guideline, so it’s rather concerning that you’re unfamiliar with that. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 01:33, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is that mean I can bring up the sources from ROK MOD, developer interview, etc, to roll back it as submachine gun? They are more creditable than guns.com? Kadrun (talk) 01:36, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it means that you can provide reliable sources for discussion and attempt to build consensus on the talk page for language that indicates that while it’s technically rifle and is referred to as such by independent reliable sources, the manufacturer refers to it as an SMG. How the manufacturer chooses to market it does not change the fact that it is by definition technically an assault rifle and carbine, and that other reliable sources refer to it that way. “Official” sources are no more creditable than guns.com; arguably less so, in this case, particularly if they are primary sources or governmental sources with potential bias or conflicts of interest that may affect their reliability. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 01:41, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you realize guns like CAR-15 and AKS-74U were originally classified as submachine gun when they first appear? Also the primary user (ROK military – the largest user) says it is submachine gun? You talk about the market yet decide to completely ignore the main operator? Kadrun (talk) 01:43, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It’s irrelevant to me — our policies are not based on how national governments choose to market certain things. However, this is still a poor argument — CAR-15 and AKS-74U are both listed as an assault rifle/carbine in our articles. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 01:47, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What’s the main reason K1 is categorized in rifle class? If that’s based on the ammunition type? Then why is FN P90 categorized as submachine gun? Kadrun (talk) 01:56, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot believe that I have to explain to an editor with over 7000 edits how WP:V, WP:OR, and WP:RS works. We categorize things the way that reliable sources categorize things. Reliable sources say that these things are rifles. I’m not playing games of exploring every possible hypothetical for “why other stuff exists”, particularly when you’re repeatedly bringing up examples that disprove your own point (now for the third time; our article on FN P90 explicitly states it’s categorized both as a PDW and a submachine gun, and the article body explains why and provides an abundance of sources). Is your account compromised? Because I’m becoming concerned here, this is basic editing competency that I should not have to be explaining. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 02:12, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No I am trying to figure out by what standard the weapons is categorized such. So based on your explanation, everything is “general consensus” w/o any or particular fixed guidelines. Kadrun (talk) 02:18, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes; Wikipedia does not set fixed guidelines on how weapons are categorized; we operate by consensus based on what reliable sources say. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 02:21, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Back in July you protected Dassault Rafale as ECP under WP:CT/IMH back in Jully, when for Certain Events Involving India the page as a whole was subject to extensive disruption. Since then things seem to have simmered down, and while parts of the page are under the mandatory-ECR of the IMH part of WP:CT/SA, most of the article isn’t. I believe reducing the protection to semi would be something worth trying, to see if that is enough to handle the overall potential disruption at this time – wondering if you concur? – The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:53, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, let’s give it a shot. I suspect the attention to the IMH part has died down somewhat since then, we’ll see if it’s been enough. I have to run out to visit someone in the hospital so I’ll be unavailable for a bit but feel free to change it. Same goes for any other partially-covered articles from that same conflict that I ECP’d under the same reason if you feel those are ready too. @The Bushranger: ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 15:12, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reduced to semi. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 18:49, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here’s hoping, and thanks! – The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:17, 16 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tokeamour (talk) 20:41, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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