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[[User:Mariamnei|Mariamnei]] ([[User talk:Mariamnei|talk]]) 12:53, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi I have noticed you are one of the great contributors to CCP related content. I am deeply interested in the topic but I have only really contributed via Sinopec and Chen Tonghai. I would love to contribute more but I never feel like I am knowledgeable enough. Maybe you can recommend some direction to me?

I have read:

The Long Game – Rush Doshi (best book I have seen)
Party of One – Chun Han Wong decent for covering Doshi gaps
Beijing Rules – Allen tbh nothing stands out to me about this book
Principles for Dealing with the Changing World Order – Ray Dalio Nothing interesting
The Secret Listener – Yuan Tsung Chen amazing first hand account
World Order – Kissinger exactly what it sounds like
Fortune’s Bazaar – England not great still worth the read to me
The Rise of China as a Global Power – Hazelton elementry not worth the read
America Tianxia – interesting but not really much about China
Aftershocks – Kahl decent worth the read
Stronger – Hass good
Mao – Chang unserious got about 10% of the way in and stopped

current reading list :

~~Deng Xiaoping – Vogel~~
~~New China Playbook – Jin~~

I make attempts to read 求是 the magazine in Chinese but I am not skilled enough to understand it. For writing WP content BBC, South China Morning Post, Reuters, and occasionally 新华. Czarking0 (talk) 01:09, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for asking, and thanks for your praise!

Among the books I can recommend are:

~~Never Turn Back by Julian Gewirtz; a very good overview of how the reform and opening up started.~~
America Against America and Political Life by Wang Huning; very rare to have this kind of books by a senior Chinese politician, good sources for understanding the ideas of one of the top politicians in China today (and the first book feels a bit timely considering the recent events…)
~~The Political Thought of Xi Jinping by Steve Tsang and Olivia Cheung; very in-depth and academic analysis of Xi’s political ideas.~~
~~China and Russia by Philip Snow; probably the most detailed book about China-Russia relations.~~
Zhou Enlai: A Life by Jian Chen; good biography
The Shortest History of China by Linda Jaivin; good introduction to Chinese history
~~China’s Civilian Army by Peter Martin; about China’s diplomacy from 1949~~
~~From Rebel to Ruler by Tony Saich; good overview of the CCP~~

You can also check think tank reports for more technical analysis, though don’t forget to take them with a grain of salt (as they tend inevitably tend to have a vented interested). Brookings Institution and Center for Strategic and International Studies tend to have interesting articles for example, though inevitably written from an American standpoint. Mercator Institute for China Studies tends to have solid reports too. I also like Asia Society‘s Decoding Chinese Politics, which includes a lot of technical but critical details about how the Chinese system functions.

Regarding news sources, South China Morning Post seems to have the most amount of content regarding Chinese politics, and they report on important news stories not covered by other news agencies. Newspapers like the Financial Times and The Wall Street Journal have good coverage as well. I also like Bloomberg News, which is a very good source, especially regarding economics. Also to add, is there any particular topic about regarding China you’re curious about? The Account 2 (talk) 10:32, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I will be slowly adding these to my reading. I am most interested learning about the alternative model China offers the world in an economic sense and in a political sense. It is hard for me to summarize what that means. Czarking0 (talk) 16:30, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reading DengXiaoping now, I came across Wang Hongwen and was surprised by how limited the page is Czarking0 (talk) 01:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I agree, I feel like China and other East Asian countries do not have enough coverage on English Wikipedia (not just a China problem honestly. Japan articles tend to have subpar coverage as well). Though I guess this shouldn’t be too surprising considering very few Chinese people use Wikipedia as it’s banned there, with most instead using Baidu Baike. The Account 2 (talk) 09:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FYI I plan to read all of these, I have crossed out the ones above that I have already read. I find that nearly all these books discuss the lenninist party organizational structure. However, basically none of them stop to explain what that means. I suppose it is in part because there is not single meaning of the phrase. Party organization differs from Russia to China and 1927 China is very different from 1997 China. However, do you think there is a meaningful core definition that can be explained and is useful for understanding these books? When I google, easily accessible web articles do not seem to answer the question: what polices, guidelines, systems, institions, or practices do organization leaders need to implement in order for their organization to operate lenninist party organization? From context I gather this is, a propaganda apparatus which engages the masses to instill class consciousness, and party members to educate them on the correct political line, the allowed interpretations of the political line, and current policies; a discipline inspection institution which facilitates individual political struggle and criticism; a leadership body for determining the correct political line; an organization apparatus to promote members; and a military commission which operates armed force guided by the political line. Is there more to uncover there?Czarking0 (talk) 04:59, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there, sorry, got a bit busy. I think the single biggest thing to keep in mind is that the PRC is at its very core a one-party state. Leninist party systems differ from other type of systems by putting the ruling party at the complete center of political life. Most parties in multi-party systems have relatively weak structures. In the United States, for example, both the Republicans and the Democrats have no de jure centralized leaderships (DNC and RNC notwithstanding), and have virtually zero control over their membership (Trump could technically register as Democrat if he decided to tomorrow, which he historically did funnily enough). Some, like the Labour and Conservative Parties in the UK, are relatively more institutionalized; they can expel members, have a clear leader and can impose party discipline. But they lack the organized control over society that Leninist parties have. There’s no Labour Party Committees at UK companies, or a Labour Party Committee Secretary of Oxford University.

The leadership of the Communist Party is at the very core of the PRC and other Communist states. The constitution declares that “Leadership by the Communist Party of China is the defining feature of socialism with Chinese characteristics”. Leadership of the Party in Communist states is declared to be the end goal in itself, and unlike some nominally multi-party systems, there isn’t even a theoretical way the Party can lose power (i.e. in Russia for example, Putin can extremely theoretically be voted out of power in presidential elections, though we of course know that’s not gonna happen; this theoretical pathway doesn’t even nominally exist in China). Leninist theory holds that the Communist Party is composed of the most ideological members of society to lead masses towards socialism and eventually communism. The CCP itself has a description here on why it deems its leadership to be necessary.

The Chinese Communist Party doesn’t just serve as a small ruling clique in China, but as the core of political and (in many ways) social life itself. It has nearly 100 million members. It has branches at the most grassroots level (such as urban apartments or villages). It controls numerous social organizations (i.e. the Young Pioneers, which most Chinese students have been a member of at some point), directly manages numerous state-owned enterprises (which comprise a significant part of the economy and employment), and indirectly influences private companies in some form. In short, the broader population of China actively interact with the Party in their daily lives in some form, which is unlike the political parties seen in other systems. The situaton was ultimately similar within the Soviet Union as well.

Communist Parties also have usually maintained a very hierarchical structure, and the CCP is similar. The principle of democratic centralism holds that decisions made by the Party are binding to all members and need to keep their opinions to themselves (meaning they cannot question it after the decision has been made), which is to ensure the Party remains highly unified. This effectively means decisions made by the Central Committee/Politburo/Xi Jinping are sacrosant to Party members, who have to ensure their implementation to the fullest degree. As you’ve noted, there are various party structures which serve various functions; the Publicity Department has oversight over media, the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection overseas anti-corruption initiatives (it is the main organization implementing Xi Jinping’s anti-corruption campaign), the Organization Department oversees the which cadre gets which job, while the Central Military Commission has total control over the People’s Liberation Army, as well as the People’s Armed Police. These organs have been more or less consistent in ruling communist parties (North Korea’s Workers’ Party of Korea also has a Propaganda and Agitation Department to give an example, while Vietnam’s Communist Party has a Central Military Commission) There are additionally numerous smaller Party commissions dedicated to particular topics. For example, the Cyberspace Administration of China (which is an arm of the Party) is the main organization for implementing internet censorship. The Account 2 (talk) 22:29, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I appreciate the answer Czarking0 (talk) 23:11, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, here if you need if you have any other questions 🙂 The Account 2 (talk) 23:43, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, there’s been a new biography of Xi’s father released recently: The Party’s Interests Come First by Joseph Torigian. It seems to be a well-written book. You might be interested in it. The Account 2 (talk) 23:46, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wanted to check if you had seen this. I listened to it and it did not get very deep though I probably would at least look into reviews of Wasserstrom’s work Czarking0 (talk) 00:28, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I haven’t seen it. Let me check it; thanks for the recommendation! The Account 2 (talk) 10:24, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw (but have not yet looked into) he has another interview with Keyu Jin Czarking0 (talk) 23:32, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In conversation with a friend I was recommended to look into a Zixuan Ma (active on twitter). He recommends these works. I was wondering if you had any opinion to share on them?

1587, a Year of No Significance (1981) by Ray Huang
The Rise of Modern China, 6th Edition (1999) by Immanuel C. Y. Hsu
Prisoner of the State: The Secret Journal of Premier Zhao Ziyang (2009) by Zhao Ziyang (I am familiar with this but have not read it. Probably speaks for itself)
The State Strikes Back (2019) by Nicholas Lardy How China Works: An Introduction to China’s State-Led Economic Development (2024) by Lan Xiaohuan

Czarking0 (talk) 17:46, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another book to discuss: Breakneck by Dan Wang Czarking0 (talk) 17:48, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On a related note, do you know of any sources that discuss how Xi’s administration deals with potential neo-maoism? I would think Maoist critiques like probable defeat are rhetorically easy to make about the present day leadership of the CCP? Czarking0 (talk) 00:26, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I second America against America. Many of the problems discussed in that book are somehow much more extreme today. One of the most interesting books I’ve ever read, bit outdated but can easily be revised just a bit and applied to the modern day. 2601:282:8903:D810:4E6:C4A4:C7B4:774A (talk) 08:58, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment feels so timely, considering what just happened… The Account 2 (talk) 09:18, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I finally picked this up and I am excited. However I already ran into some trouble, on one of the first pages (this dumb copy doesn’t have page numbers) he says “The Chinese have overthrown the three great mountains that have been weighting them down for so long.” What does this mean? Google does not have much to say? Czarking0 (talk) 23:30, 22 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which page is this? Let me check the original Chinese version. The Account 2 (talk) 09:39, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wait, I found it. The “three great mountains” (三座大山) refers to imperialism, feudalism, and bureaucratic capitalism. You can check here. The Account 2 (talk) 09:40, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nice is there an en Wiki on this? From that page I think something on along the lines of a Maoism page for “两座压在中国人民头” with some later history covering bureaucratic capitalism being added to that doctrine could be quite useful. Czarking0 (talk) 15:06, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For a lot of relatively minor terms such as this, there generally aren’t enough independent sources to warrant a standalone page. I think it’s better to look at Baidu Baike for these things, with has a lower threshold for inclusion. The Account 2 (talk) 10:02, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

“官僚资本主义” Is particular is a phrase that is unclear to me. When I first read your reply I assume this came later and referred to state owned enterprises like Sinopec. However, 百度 says that Mao said this in 1948 which is long before those came into effect. Is he referring to KMT style rent seeking capitalism? When Wang Huning says China has overcome 官僚资本主义 in 1991 is it even the same thing China has overcome? Maybe 1991 would be too early to say this but I think we can now say that China has overcome bureaucratic capitalism in the sense that the economy is no longer centrally planned and mutually owned (phrase from the first chapter of AGA). Czarking0 (talk) 15:14, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the People’s Republic of China considers itself as socialist, 官僚资本主义 is definitely not used to refer to modern China (except by the critics of PRC). Rather, the Communist Party considers the China under the leadership of Kuomintang to be 官僚资本主义. What is the full context of the quote? Maybe that can help me understand it better. The Account 2 (talk) 10:04, 24 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Have you seen this. Could be an interesting source. 江培柱 is listed as an early associate of 王毅 in the Japanese department of the Ministry of Foreign affairs. I can probably get you a copy if I dig hard you and you cannot get one.Czarking0 (talk) 05:14, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! That could be interesting. I would be very happy if you found me a copy! The Account 2 (talk) 12:59, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok will take me a few days and I will find some way to send you a pdf Czarking0 (talk) 15:39, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LDMmAksLFw2wxAfgUXU3etgFv0QZoU1z/view?usp=sharing Czarking0 (talk) 00:11, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!! I’ll definitely check this. The Account 2 (talk) 10:29, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, The image you added is currently tagged for deletion in commons as it is a copyright violation. A reverse image search on it finds its usage by lots of news media and that KCNA/Reuters have copyright ownership. TarnishedPath^talk 09:57, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, didn’t know the image was copyrighted. Sorry about that. The Account 2 (talk) 10:00, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All good. I would suggest when thinking about using an image from commons going to the file page in commons and seeing if it has been uploaded with an appropriate license and then doing a reverse image search to check out if that claim is correct. For example, I’ve just removed two files from 2025 China Victory Day Parade because I went to commons, saw a claim that Russia had copyright ownership and released them under a free license, did a reverse image search and saw that that was rubbish and that they are they are copyright owned by Reuters. TarnishedPath^talk 10:21, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. For updates such as this [1], would you mind updating the source as well? Bogazicili (talk) 21:20, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, sorry about that. IMF updated its websites for databases so I’m figuring out how to source it. The Account 2 (talk) 21:23, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I noticed. You can link to its database and say which data sheet you got it from with |at= variable for {{cite web}} Bogazicili (talk) 21:35, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I mean the web page link, not csv document link. Bogazicili (talk) Bogazicili (talk) 21:36, 15 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, I acted too quickly on that one. The Account 2 (talk) 21:16, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Are national laws covered by copyright? The Account 2 (talk) 13:17, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The rules are different in each country. In North Korea, commercial use of government works is not allowed. “Documents for state management, current news or information data shall not be the object of copyright unless commercial purpose is pursued.” So that’s not a compatible license, because our license allows any use, including commercial use. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:33, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thank you, I’ll keep that in mind from now on. The Account 2 (talk) 14:37, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 04:34, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Editors cannot simply update statistics in country articles, as you recently did, unless they also update the source attached. WP editors must spend the time to search for new sources that back up any new numbers or rankings—and to replace previous sources that furnished the now-outdated statistics. Mason.Jones (talk) 15:12, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, but the links to those two specific sources (World Bank and Fortune) update by themselves. The World Bank website now lists manufacturing data for 2024, while the Fortune website shows Fortune Global 500 data for 2025. The Account 2 (talk) 15:20, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. So long as the source itself is dated “2025” to match the updated 2025 statistic. Mason.Jones (talk) 15:32, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I’ll take care to update those from now on too. Thanks for reminding me. The Account 2 (talk) 15:41, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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