User talk:Wikishovel: Difference between revisions

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Thanks User:54rt678. Wikishovel (talk) 09:02, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Great Scott, have I really done that many! Maybe I should spend more time practicing piano. 😀 Wikishovel (talk) 18:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, please stop the reverted of programs broadcast by Yey! and previously programs broadcast by Yey! when Gino March cause of WP:ANI 2001:4453:614:3400:2DCA:D155:ADC9:30EA (talk) 10:50, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You’ll need to provide WP:Reliable sources to WP:Verify your edits, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 10:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

while the programs broadcast by Yey! and acquired programming was redirected by Gino March but Icarus58 was revert the edit of Gino cause of warning 2001:4453:614:3400:2DCA:D155:ADC9:30EA (talk) 11:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are of course free to report me at WP:ANI if you think I’m in breach of any Wikipedia policies. Wikishovel (talk) 11:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In all honesty i could have done a lot better with my claims,however it is not a hoax for sure. because i’ve seen sources about this War & i have at least an excuse for this claim. Arxyium (talk) 22:50, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Wikishovel!
I noticed your contributions on Vinzons Pilot Elementary School, I rediected on Vinzons Pilot High School because it’s not passed on notability per WP:NSCHOOL and WP:GNG. See my revision 1269994951.
Is it okay to redirect? I search that school, however I don’t see anything about that school except for their Facebook page. I really don’t know why it is possible vandalism on redirect lol. Royiswariii Talk! 12:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, no your redirect (with explanatory edit summary) was clearly not vandalism. The article creator may have misunderstood your redirect. But since the article creator has reverted the redirect, it will need to go to with proposed deletion or WP:AFD, as I can’t find sufficient secondary coverage of the school to meet WP:GNG. Wikishovel (talk) 13:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve prodded it for now. Guess we’ll see what happens. Wikishovel (talk) 14:33, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Wikishovel, I just saw your improvement on the newly created Tübingen school. Unfortunately I have created the page in place of a redirect. Therefore Is it possible to clean start the article? I have also made topic about this on the WP:Teahouse. Best. Xpander (talk) 19:48, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I’ve subscribed to that discussion at the Teahouse, and will help there if I can, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 19:54, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Wikishovel!
I’m consulting on this requesting move discussion of Talk:Jhoanna (singer) § Requested move 16 January 2025. I’m confident that should be move to “Jhoanna” because there is no disambiguation about Jhoanna, there is a Joanna but it is not associated on the name “Jhoanna”. Howard the Duck insisting to oppose and redirect to Joanna because it was a alternative spelling, which is true. However, news outlets, fans and all materials on Bini are called “Jhoanna”, and if we continue to insist and go to Joanna, it can be have a huge confusion and mislead to the readers, and I’m not an expert but, it can be confusion on Google algorithms too especially there is a Google Knowledge Panel for Jhoanna Robles. So, what do you think? It should be go to Jhoanna’ or Joanna? Also, you can join on discussion, thank you! ROY is WAR Talk! 15:28, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the discussion there seems to be going fine without my input. Wikishovel (talk) 06:57, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Wikishovel, just thought to inform you that you forgot to remove {{Donald Trump drafts}} after accepting Immigration policy of the second Donald Trump administration. While adding appropriate navboxes and templates might not be necessary after afc accepting, removing the drafts navbox is important. I have now removed it. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:35, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So I did! Good catch, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 12:37, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please Don’t delete the Trey Farley page. I added a source from Wayback Machine to help with his profile. He is a television Presenter and that page should not have to be deleted. 82.19.40.217 (talk) 14:48, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You’re welcome to create a new Draft:Trey Farley and submit it for review: please see Help:Your first article. Otherwise, you can ask for WP:Deletion review of the article, which was redirected following the deletion discussion a few months ago. Wikishovel (talk) 14:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On the Wikipedia Talk page, I would like to address the allegation made against my account for using multiple accounts. This statement is entirely false. While I am new to Wikipedia, this should not be a basis for such accusations without evidence. I have been adhering to Wikipedia’s guidelines and contributing in good faith. I kindly request that baseless allegations be avoided, as they undermine the collaborative and respectful environment Wikipedia strives to maintain. Furthermore, I might be mistaken in editing and would love to seek your guidance for future edits. Thanks SamstackDMV (talk) 16:13, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have evidence that this user may have multiple accounts: [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DACartman&diff=prev&oldid=1271798405 @User:Wikishovel DACartman (talk) 19:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! I wanted to let you know that I have revised your speedy deletion nomination for Albanian Boys Incorporated. You nominated this article as A7, G4, and G11. Given that the AFD for this topic was in 2006, G4 does not apply. As such, I have removed that tag, while leaving the others for another administrator to review. Thank you! Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your contributions to Tyler Luke Cunningham. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it has no sources.
I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page.
When the article is ready for publication, please click on the “Submit for review” button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Mekomo (talk) 16:38, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Quite right, doesn’t look like it would survive an AFD just now. Thanks for the ping. Wikishovel (talk) 17:00, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Wikishovel,
I hope you’re doing well. I have recently submitted Draft:Charles Odii (DG SMEDAN) for review and would appreciate your assistance in reviewing and improving it.
Charles Odii currently serves as the Director General and Chief Executive Officer of the Small Medium Enterprise Development Agency of Nigeria (SMEDAN), appointed by President Bola Ahmed Tinubu in October 2023.
If you have time, I would greatly appreciate any suggestions or edits to ensure the article meets Wikipedia’s standards. If you think removing the bracketed “DG SMEDAN” from the title would be more appropriate, please feel free to do so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Charles_Odii_(DG_SMEDAN)
Thank you for your time and expertise. Looking forward to your feedback. Imaaaaam (talk) 10:08, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, Wikishovel. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:John Rapley, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 18:08, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. In December you participated in an AfD on Sanjay Sehgal. The article is now back and is again at AfD here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sanjay Sehgal (2nd nomination). I am notifying all participants in the prior discussion. Thanks! Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:00, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Wikishovel,

I was just working with some old draft articles, saw your username in the page history and realized that I haven’t seen you around on the project in a few months. I hope you are okay and just busy with off-Wikipedia life. We’ll be here when you get back your interest in editing and free time. Take care. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:35, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Still wondering if everything is okay on your end. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:03, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Wikishovel, I’ve been wondering the same thing… and I hope you’re well. Your absence has been felt. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:18, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz and Hey man im josh: hello, and thank you for those kind words. I’ve actually been off ill, and in and out of hospital: it’s a long, boring story. But I’m back home recuperating now, which of course means lots more time for editing, yay. Wikishovel (talk) 15:58, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was also wondering the same thing. I just saw you edit an AFC draft and I was like “Oh! Wikishovel is back!”. Welcome indeed. Your absence was felt! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:17, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, aren’t you people lovely. Thank you, it’s a nice surprise to learn that not just one of you noticed, but three of you. Wikishovel (talk) 11:22, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

+1 here. Welcome back. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 11:24, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Wikishovel. This message concerns the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, “John Rapley“.

Drafts that go unedited for six months are eligible for deletion, in accordance with our draftspace policy, and this one has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply edit the submission, and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! DreamRimmer bot II (talk) 18:27, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wikishovel

I’m reaching out as I spotted you’ve previously edited the Investcorp page. I was wondering given you’ve edited the page before whether you would be interested in reviewing the further detail I have added to the Investcorp talk page?

For context, I work at Kekst CNC, a global communications agency that works with Investcorp to manage its communications. The agency has signed the Wikipedia:Statement on Wikipedia from participating communications firms, which means I understand rules around COI on the platform.

I would really appreciate your review of our suggested edits, and would be grateful if you consider adding some of the edits I’ve suggested to the page.

Any questions or feedback you have would be much appreciated too! AmeliaP KCNC (talk) 14:14, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Proof That I Think Terminated Pregnancy Was A Disease. ScienceGD (talk) 15:17, 9 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How can I create a page? InferiorX (talk) 02:29, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. You can learn about how to create a page at Help:Your first article. Wikishovel (talk) 05:11, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, remember I made The Jester (2023) article? I know I made it a mess but part 2 of it is coming to theaters in 15th so mind if you create it, please? Benjaminoben (talk) 23:47, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you aren’t able to write it yourself, you can request that the article be written for you at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Wikishovel (talk) 05:10, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You For Helping Me To Edit My Pages! ScienceGD (talk) 17:16, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

My name is Basant Kumar Shahi. I am interested in creating a Wikipedia article about myself.  

I understand that Wikipedia requires significant independent, reliable coverage of a subject before an article can be accepted.

Here is my official website with background information: https://www.basantshahi.com.np  

Could you please advise me on how to proceed within Wikipedia’s policies and whether the sources I have (news articles, interviews, etc.) might meet the notability requirements?

Thank you for your time and guidance.

Best regards,

Basant Kumar Shahi Shahi Spring (talk) 09:36, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I Don’t Know For The Question ScienceGD (talk) 14:16, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Wikishovel. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User talk:Mill6ix, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: blanking is fine. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 19:26, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Whpq: sorry, that was a mistake: I meant to nominate the user page, not the talk page. I see you’ve now correctly done nominated the user page, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 19:29, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I kinda thought that might be the case. — Whpq (talk) 19:32, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Twinkle is both a blessing and a curse. Wikishovel (talk) 19:32, 14 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick thank you for tidying up after me here, I don’t really know my way around SPI but seeing it done “right” is helping me learn! ~ L 🌸 (talk) 15:51, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no problem at all. I’ve done it myself a few times, and after the first time I should have known better. Wikishovel (talk) 15:52, 16 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WHAT? contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia??? Preventing the Mouse Trap page from being created is unfair and unjust, because it’s an obscure legitimate avant-garde music genre. you all just have too normie tastes and ears to enjoy such music. And dont say ship like “its a meme genre” because on the Flex Entertainment Wiki page for Lil Staurt Little, it has the category “Serious Artists” so its serious. “contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia” my mother forking bass cheeks, you cant censor ship because its ship or you hate it. we all hate Hatler (at least i hope so) but we have an lengthy article for him, so Mouse trap should have an article even if you hate it or its “unlistenable”. 92.40.215.51 (talk) 12:06, 17 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, and thanks for all your help with NPP! I wanted to let you know that I’ve declined your G4 speedy deletion nomination of Imad Jomaa. In this case, the AfD was in 2019, and several sources provided were published since then, so the page is ineligible for G4. If you think Jomaa still fails Wikipedia’s notability standards for biographies, feel free to nominate for deletion via AfD. Thanks again! Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 13:19, 18 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wikishovel,
The Subject‘s Official Name is Payday Music Publishing. Would you please rename/move the article to that? I have mistakenly renamed the redirect to that and can’t fix it. Nonstopable (talk) 10:28, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nonstopable, happy to help with this, but according to this source you cited, it’s actually called “Payday Publishing”. Their website uses both. So this might need to go to a page move discussion, to work out what the WP:COMMONNAME is, rather than the technically correct name. Wikishovel (talk) 10:32, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Wikishovel! I’ve come across many patrol edits by you whilst reviewing at NPP recently! Thank you for helping with the backlog! I don’t know whether it is intentional or not, however I notice you don’t mark the articles you patrol as reviewed. Just thought I would flag it! I can see you have been a new page reviewer for a while, so I am sure you are quite familiar with the page curation tool! Thank you! 11WB (talk) 18:16, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, and thanks for that. I tend to focus on cleaning up promising pages, and let other reviewers decide whether they should be marked as reviewed. It’s probably not an orthodox approach, but in a way, it feels like grading my own homework to tag a page I worked on as reviewed. When it’s something super straightforward like a dab page, then yes, I will pretty consistently mark it as reviewed. Wikishovel (talk) 21:38, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply! That is definitely an interesting way to view it. As a new page reviewer, despite your feeling of it being like grading homework, the point of conducting these reviews is so that articles can be marked as such, this in turn allows them to be indexed on Google search and the original author notified that their article is approved for mainspace! 11WB (talk) 22:18, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have previously edited Lydia Liebman, this is a courtesy notice that the page is currently at AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lydia Liebman. Thank you. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:48, 26 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

…for the notice. Could you please help me create a disambiguation page between Pedro de Paz (writer) and Pedro de Paz (soldier)? I’m afraid I’m not familiar with the process. Baal Nautes (talk) 22:33, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to help, but as there are only two articles, a disambiguation page isn’t really needed. Instead, I’ve put a WP:HATNOTE at the top of Pedro de Paz, pointing out the second article. Wikishovel (talk) 22:36, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see. How many similarly named articles are the minimum to create a disambiguation page? —Baal Nautes (talk) 22:42, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There’s no fixed minimum number. But a disambiguation page is normally created if we expect it to grow, to avoid maintaining a long string of hatnotes at the top of several pages. Are there other notable people called Pedro de Paz? Wikishovel (talk) 22:49, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is indeed another historical Spanish general named Pedro de Paz, but he has little notability and information about him is scarce, so I’m not planning to create an article. So, two Pedros de Paz for now. Baal Nautes (talk) 23:12, 27 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there! I wanted to let you know that I’ve declined your G4 speedy deletion nomination of Harry Sdraulig. In this case, the linked AfD occurred in 2006. Given the numerous changes that have occurred on Wikipedia in that time, as well as the information on the page discussing the year 2013, the article is ineligible for G4. If you think Sdraulig is still non-notable, feel free to renominate for deletion via AfD. Take care, Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 13:32, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Significa liberdade: no, you’re right, I missed the AFD date. I checked the Waybacked version of the article, and this was a single sentence about him winning something years ago. Sorry about that. Wikishovel (talk) 13:33, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there. I’m writing to you about mammalian BAF complex page. The heading should be “Mammalian SWI/SNF (BAF) Complex” but I couldn’t change it. WikiBar35 (talk) 16:06, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I’m happy to help with this. Since IANAB (I am not a biologist), let me ask: what’s the WP:COMMONNAME for the complex, rather than the technically correct name? Wikishovel (talk) 16:42, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for helping.

The name of the complex, SWItch/Sucrose Non-Fermentable (SWI/SNF), is the general term used across species (for more on this, please see the “History” section of the relevant page). SWI/SNF complexes are found in yeast, fruit flies, and mammalian cells. In mammals, however, the complex is commonly referred to as BAF, which stands for BRG1/BRM-associated factor.

Therefore, when we use the term BAF, we are specifically referring to the mammalian SWI/SNF complex. For this reason, the most appropriate heading would be:

“Mammalian SWI/SNF (BAF) Complex”.

Currently, there is no term more widely accepted or commonly used than BAF to describe the mammalian form of the SWI/SNF complex. WikiBar35 (talk) 16:51, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. When I google for “Mammalian SWI/SNF (BAF) Complex”, it seems to usually appear with a lowercase “c” for complex. This use of sentence case would also be consistent with Wikipedia’s policy on using sentence case in article titles. So how about we move it to Mammalian SWI/SNF (BAF) complex? Wikishovel (talk) 16:58, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think that works!! WikiBar35 (talk) 17:09, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Thanks for the suggestion. Wikishovel (talk) 17:19, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the help! WikiBar35 (talk) 17:20, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Saba Nayagan (upcoming film) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 October 1 § Saba Nayagan (upcoming film) until a consensus is reached. Steel1943 (talk) 21:25, 1 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. What’s your question? Wikishovel (talk) 14:14, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Wikishovel!

I’m sorry to contact you as there probably is someone in particular I should contact for these kind of issues, but being kind of a newbie on Wikipedia (been editing for four months or so) I don’t really know who to turn to. Anyways, recently I translated and adapted a lot of text from the Italian version of Wikipedia to expand and complete the article about Pieve Emanuele, currently classified as a stub. I was wondering who to ask for the “promotion” of the article into an higher class of the scale, since it is now almost complete and it has all the sources. In my opinion, its definitely not anymore a stub.

Is there any way you could help me?

Thanks in advance and sorry for the bother.

Dre DrefromItaly (talk) 18:55, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Dre, there’s a helpful guideline on this over at WP:STUBLENGTH. It’s definitely OK to remove the stub tag from Pieve Emanuele. And thank you very much for expanding the article. Wikishovel (talk) 21:13, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure! So I just remove myself in the edit page the “Stub” template or I have to do something more? DrefromItaly (talk) 21:54, 4 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That’s it – you’ve done it correctly. Wikishovel (talk) 04:47, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see where you say there’s nothing online about him. I’m very confused. Why you’re stating this there’s numerous numerous articles interviews everywhere for multiple media sources from video to press.? please explain to me why you’re not seeing these sources or checking the sources listed why is this page being discriminated against this is really starting to put in the entire integrity of Wikipedia. Thank you . Learningmyway (talk) 05:01, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Yes, there are some articles online about him joining Saving Abel in June, but most of them are interviews, and interviews alone aren’t the secondary coverage that Wikipedia’s notability guidelines require for a separate article. Please have a read of WP:MUSICBIO: joining a notable band doesn’t on its own doesn’t make a musician notable. I couldn’t find any significant, reliable, independent coverage of him, apart from his recent work with that band, but maybe you can? Thanks, Wikishovel (talk) 05:18, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for responding , I really appreciate it.

I understand the concern about interviews, but in this case there’s more than just Q&As or announcement pieces. There are multiple independent articles and magazine features that go beyond that — Go Venue Magazine, Rock Documented, Rock News UK, and Ethereal Metalzine all published pieces that discuss Randy Arthur Webb’s background, performance, and role in Saving Abel from an editorial standpoint. They’re not connected to the band and count as independent secondary coverage.

Also, per WP:MUSICBIO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MUSICBIO), the subject meets the notability criteria as the lead vocalist of a multi-platinum, Billboard-charting act and through his earlier charting work with One Day Alive (their single “Bringing on the Pain” reached #13 on the SMR Active Rock chart).

These references and chart credits establish verifiable, independent coverage that goes beyond routine announcements. I’d like to kindly ask that the redirect be reconsidered or reviewed so the article can stand on its own again.

Thank you for your time . Learningmyway (talk) 05:24, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You’re very welcome. Let’s keep this discussion in one place, maybe over at the article talk page is best. Wikishovel (talk) 05:25, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good I got confused by the redirected first I’ll all apologies. Learningmyway (talk) 05:26, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The template is not necessary on the draft page that’s being deleted and under what authority are you to tell me to “not delete it again”? Bhj867 (talk) 09:49, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The template is certainly necessary, as the original declined draft was created by an anonymous editor, then copied and pasted to main space. Under what authority are you blanking the draft, moving it to main space, and removing the merge template from the copied article? Wikishovel (talk) 09:51, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Under the authority of the person who created it accidentally when I am already an established user. Check the IP they match. You seem to be confused and wanting to follow me around harrasing me. Example: you flagged another one of my articles for deletion with flimsy reasoning. Bhj867 (talk) 09:56, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

please respond to the original question. Do you have the power to ban me from wp? Are you an administrator? Yes or no. Bhj867 (talk) 10:00, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, and editors don’t need to be administrators to revert disruptive editing. You’re free to report me at WP:ANI if you think I’ve breached the letter or spirit of any Wikipedia policies. But watch out for the boomerang. Wikishovel (talk) 10:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting to speedily delete an accidental unfinished draft, under my own IP address before logging in, is not “disruptive editing”. Mistakes happen. I saw you stated the draft “wasn’t qualified for speedy deletion”. What’s your reasoning for that, and under what authority if you’re not an administrator? If you continue to follow me around, bark orders at me and flagging my articles for deletion when I have solid sources, I will absolutely report you to WP:ANI because I view that as targeted bullying. I’m putting the speedy deletion tag back on the draft that I created. An admin (which you are not) can verify the IP which I will put in the notes. I have been editing wiki articles since 2007. The functionality of the site may have changed a bit, but not so much as to where I will tolerate demands from random users. How’s that for a boomerang. Bhj867 (talk) 10:13, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You’re welcome to add a db-author speedy tag to the draft, but please don’t blank or move the draft again. Wikishovel (talk) 10:15, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

thank you. I will do that. Does your self proclaimed authority feel respected now? If you want to be an admin. Apply to be one. Have a good day.Bhj867 (talk) 10:22, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I’d rather have an arrow through my neck than be an admin, like most WP editors. That’s why there’s such a shortage of them. Wikishovel (talk) 10:25, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good, because anyone who enjoys weilding power should never have it. Bhj867 (talk) 10:33, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn’t agree more. Wikishovel (talk) 10:35, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Bren.d.o and Alpha Magazines you may be blocked from editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhj867 (talk • contribs)

Drive-by revenge templating is not going to help. Please stop. Wikishovel (talk) 11:15, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you engage in an editing war legitimate talk page comments, as you are at Alpha Magazines and Bren.d.o. Bhj867 (talk) 12:30, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bhj867, you’re on an express train to getting blocked by an administrator for your disruptive editing. Consider the impact that this incident might have on you personally. Please, stop. Wikishovel (talk) 12:32, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1. don’t assume my identity, you’re wrong. 2. Are you threatening a public figure? You are the one on the fast track to being banned. Bhj867 (talk) 13:00, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bhj867, its very clear there is no threatening happening here. All things considered, Wikishovel is probably warning you to prevent you from getting blocked, not to cause you to get blocked. Editors don’t usually hope for others to be blocked. Please stop casting aspersions about one account being a sock of another. 45dogs (they/them) (talk page) 13:08, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This Wikipedia:Wikibullying you guys are engaging in is going to wind up getting you guys WP:SHOT Bhj867 (talk) 13:15, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

the statements your making are gonna hit you like a WP:BOOMERANG shane (talk to me if you want!) 13:16, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators’ noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.shane (talk to me if you want!) 13:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed that, thanks for the ping. Wikishovel (talk) 13:12, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

no problem shane (talk to me if you want!) 13:15, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I think an English name Ultra Supreme Elder Lord is better than the pinyin name “Daode Tianzun” which is not so convenient for westerners. Can you consider making Ultra Supreme Elder Lord the main article and redirect “Daode_Tianzun” to it ? I am working on the article and will add references later.

Futhermore, Ultra Supreme Elder Lord (太上老君) and The Heavenly Lord of Way and Virtue (道德天尊) do not always carry a same meaning in Taoist theology, maybe it is necessary to explain them respectively. AlphaOmega999 (talk) 09:58, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@AlphaOmega999: hello, and thanks for posting. Wikipedia doesn’t allow two articles on the same topic, but if you think it’s a better Ultra Supreme Elder Lord is a better title for the article, then you’re welcome to propose renaming the existing article. It’s a potentially controversial move, but that’s OK: there are instructions on how to propose the change at Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. Please let me know if you have any questions about that process. Wikishovel (talk) 10:02, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]