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:::He did an impressive amount of work to make it look like a serious article. Regardless, I concur that it should be ”’deleted”’. [[User:Trumpetrep|Trumpetrep]] ([[User talk:Trumpetrep|talk]]) 17:33, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

:::He did an impressive amount of work to make it look like a serious article. Regardless, I concur that it should be ”’deleted”’. [[User:Trumpetrep|Trumpetrep]] ([[User talk:Trumpetrep|talk]]) 17:33, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

*”’Delete”’ Looking it over , I do agree that it seems to be original research and synthesis of events that doesn’t correspond to bibliography. –[[User:Griboski|Griboski]] ([[User talk:Griboski|talk]]) 22:25, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

*”’Delete”’ Looking it over , I do agree that it seems to be original research and synthesis of events that doesn’t correspond to bibliography. –[[User:Griboski|Griboski]] ([[User talk:Griboski|talk]]) 22:25, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

:* ”’Keep ”’: There are about 80+ sources cited in the article, both from Albanian sources and Serbian sources and etc… You may instead try to improve the article by adjusting it providing your reliable sources. Otherwise you should name concrete examples of WP:SYNTH WP:OR that make the whole article WP:FRINGE as well as why the sources are unreliable (Remember it’s not only because they are Albanian, that they are unreliable). As for your last paragraph, it is ironic, because you are condemning WP:OR but you are also engaging in it. Don’t apply double standards. And the lack of serbo-croatian language academic consensus doesn’t make this article unreliable.

:[[User:TheSecondBrother2|TheSecondBrother2]] ([[User talk:TheSecondBrother2|talk]]) 14:46, 6 February 2026 (UTC)


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Insurgency in Karadak–Gollak (1941–1951) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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I am nominating this article for deletion because it represents a fundamental violation of WP:SYNTH, WP:OR and WP:POVFORK, constructing a historical narrative that does not exist in mainstream academic historiography. The article attempts to create a single, continuous ten-year “insurgency” (1941–1951) by artificially merging two distinct and unrelated historical phenomena: the World War II axis collaborationist activities in the region (1941–1944) and the post-war suppression of scattered criminal bands and residual fascist collaborators (1945–1951). There is no reliable, neutral English-language academic source that treats these events as a singular, unified “Insurgency in Karadak–Gollak”; this specific terminology and timeframe appear to be a neologism derived exclusively from modern, non-neutral local historiography and fringe theories intended to revise the historical context.

Furthermore, the article fundamentally violates WP:RS (Reliable Sources) by relying overwhelmingly on non-academic Albanian-language web portals (e.g., Presheva.al, Pashtriku, 2LONLINE:), self-published blogs, and local partisan memoirs that lack editorial oversight and historical distance. Where Western academic sources are cited (such as Franziska Zaugg or Noel Malcolm), they are clearly cherry-picked to support specific combat details while ignoring the broader context provided by these very authors—namely, that the groups in question (such as the SS Division Skanderbeg and Balli Kombëtar) were operating as auxiliary forces for Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, not as an independent “insurgency” movement in the vacuum the article suggests. The framing of the article is heavily biased, utilizing peacock terms and emotive language to portray Axis collaborators fighting against the internationally recognized Allied forces (Yugoslav Partisans and the Bulgarian Army post-1944) solely as victims or freedom fighters, effectively whitewashing their role in the Holocaust and occupation apparatus.

The post-1945 events described were not a political uprising or a coherent military campaign recognized by military historians, but rather “mopping-up” operations by the Yugoslav state security against “križari” or “kaçak” outlaws, similar to other regions in post-war Europe; elevating these police actions to a “war” or “insurgency” without high-quality secondary sources constitutes original research (WP:OR). Since the topic “Insurgency in Karadak–Gollak (1941–1951)” is an artificial synthesis not found in standard history books, the article cannot be fixed by editing or renaming; it creates a false historical reality that misleads the reader. The factual content regarding WWII battles belongs in World War II in Yugoslav Macedonia or Balli Kombëtar, while the post-war outlaw activity does not merit a standalone article framed as a major conflict. Therefore, the page should be deleted to maintain the encyclopedia’s integrity and prevent the promotion of revisionist historical narratives unsupported by peer-reviewed scholarship.

It is frankly a mockery of historical record to frame the clean-up operations by the Yugoslav state security (and the Bulgarian army in the final stages of the war) against residual fascist collaborators as a grand “insurgency.” In any other context, we call these groups “stay-behind networks” or bandits, not insurgents. Since the entire premise of the article—a unified 1941–1951 conflict—is a fabrication supported only by non-RS websites and zero english and serbo-croatian language academic consensus, there is nothing here to salvage or rename. It’s a violation of WP:NPOV and WP:OR from the title down to the last sentence, and it should be deleted to stop misleading readers with revisionist fantasy. FranéRogoz (talk) 00:00, 30 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Something does not add up here. The Albanian version of the article is almost entirely different, and it begins with the Italian invasion in 1939.
At a minimum, this article is covering more ground than it is able, especially relying so heavily on non-English sources. I can’t say if it should be deleted, but it definitely needs to be cleaned up. Trumpetrep (talk) 03:30, 1 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
You are spot on that things don’t add up here. The reason is simple, this entire article is a textbook case of WP:SYNTH and revisionism. It tries to invent a continuous “ten-year war” by mixing WWII collaboration with unrelated post-war police actions, something no serious historian supports. Regarding the Albanian version you mentioned, if you check it closely, you will see it suffers from the exact same issues, it relies entirely on local nationalist portals and dead links, so it is hardly a standard for accuracy. Also, it is worth noting that the creator of this page (GermanManFromFrankfurt) has a history of creating similar problematic articles that were deleted for the same reasons. We are seeing a pattern here, similar to the Kosovo uprising (1945–1951) article currently up for deletion. You simply cannot “clean up” a hoax based on blogs and non-academic sources because if you remove the violations, there is literally nothing left on the page. It has to go. FranéRogoz (talk) 15:29, 1 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
He did an impressive amount of work to make it look like a serious article. Regardless, I concur that it should be deleted. Trumpetrep (talk) 17:33, 1 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep : There are about 80+ sources cited in the article, both from Albanian sources and Serbian sources and etc… You may instead try to improve the article by adjusting it providing your reliable sources. Otherwise you should name concrete examples of WP:SYNTH WP:OR that make the whole article WP:FRINGE as well as why the sources are unreliable (Remember it’s not only because they are Albanian, that they are unreliable). As for your last paragraph, it is ironic, because you are condemning WP:OR but you are also engaging in it. Don’t apply double standards. And the lack of serbo-croatian language academic consensus doesn’t make this article unreliable.
TheSecondBrother2 (talk) 14:46, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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