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November 24

Category:Buildings and structures in the Middle East

Nominator’s rationale: Category:Buildings and structures in the Middle East has one subcategory and zero pages, so it’s a redundant layer. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 22:37, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Actually, I just realized that Category:Buildings and structures in Iraq, Category:Buildings and structures in Israel, Category:Buildings and structures in Jordan, etc… exist. I don’t know why they weren’t already subcategories, but I now think that adding them as subcategories would be a better idea. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 02:33, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Reverse merge, for the logic of a category tree it should not start with a “by type” category on top. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete both categories. We already have categories for the various countries, which should be sufficient. Our category tree is heavily dependent on a by-continent division, and all of the other subcategories of Category:Buildings and structures by region represent regions that are uni-continental. However, the Middle East is often considered to include Egypt and Turkey (see map atop the Middle East article), even their African and European parts, so if this category were properly populated, it would include Category:Buildings and structures in Egypt with articles such as Aswan Dam, and Category:Buildings and structures in Turkey with articles such as Grand Synagogue of Edirne. If it’s important to have a category for this general region, we can rename it to “…in Southwest Asia” and include the subcategories for the Egyptian governorates in the Sinai and for the Turkish provinces in Asia Minor. Nyttend (talk) 10:10, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pseudonymous actors

Nominator’s rationale: Not a defining characteristic and the category is to a large extent filled with musicians with stage names who’ve made acting appearances (André 3000 and Sting (musician)), nicknames, Westernised names, and names changed after immigration. There are several categories in Category:Pseudonymous entertainers with limited definingness but I think they need to be evaluated individually. See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 November 9#Category:Pseudonymous musicians. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 22:25, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support deletion per WP:NONDEFINING and subjectivity; I’m not sure that a Westernized name, for example, should count as a pseudonym. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 22:40, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I am less than convinced that using a pseudonym is actually defining. There are far too many cases for this to be defining. At one point in the mid-20th century it was borderline universal. At least it was very common and not at all close to defining.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:35, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, trivial characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. D4iNa4 (talk) 22:07, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Some acting unions require you to have a unique name and change it if someone else is already using it, see this list. – RevelationDirect (talk) 23:10, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above —Lenticel ^(talk) 03:10, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women’s handball players

Nominator’s rationale: From my perspective this category is simply a duplicate of Category:Female handball players Robby (talk) 16:55, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Reverse merge Most such categories use “women’s” not “female”. This is in part because these are by league played in, not actually by anything about the person per se. This category is for people who participanted in Women’s handball leagues, so I think that is what the category should be named.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:36, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

College wrestling coaches in the United States letter A

• Merge Category:Adrian Bulldogs wrestling coaches to Category:Adrian Bulldogs coaches and Category:College wrestling coaches in the United States
• Merge Category:Air Force Falcons wrestling coaches to Category:Air Force Falcons coaches and Category:College wrestling coaches in the United States
• Merge Category:Alabama Crimson Tide wrestling coaches to Category:Alabama Crimson Tide coaches and Category:College wrestling coaches in the United States
• Merge Category:Albany Great Danes wrestling coaches to Category:Albany Great Danes coaches and Category:College wrestling coaches in the United States
• Merge Category:Arkansas State Red Wolves wrestling coaches to Category:Arkansas State Red Wolves coaches and Category:College wrestling coaches in the United States
• Merge Category:Augustana (Illinois) Vikings wrestling coaches to Category:Augustana (Illinois) Vikings coaches and Category:College wrestling coaches in the United States
• Nominator’s rationale All these categories have 1 article. 1 article categories make navigation between articles harder. Upmerging these will aid navigation. I just did the A section because there are so many 1 article sub-cats of Category:College wrestling coaches in the United States (I think 31) that I decided to not do the whole group at once. This is especially the case because in some cases we do not have the appropriate Foo team coaches category as a parent, so I either need to make that category or figure out what next higher level category the article should go in. So I have limited this to the first 5. The other 2 A section categories only have 2 articles and 3 articles, so I am not sure we need them either, but I am going to focus on the categories with only 1 article for now since those are the most obvious not helping navigation cases. When first posted there were some slight formatting errors, I think I have fixed those. That is another reason to limit the size of the nomination. So it is easier to make sure everything is correctly formatted.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:53, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:45, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge all one-article child categories of Category:College wrestling coaches in the United States. I don’t think that the other cases differ substantially. Care to differ or discuss with me? The N^th User 02:30, 25 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge too narrow to aid navigation. – RevelationDirect (talk) 23:11, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per above —Lenticel ^(talk) 03:10, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Penn State Nittany Lions and Lady Lions basketball venues

Nominator’s rationale: Not enough articles to justify a separate category. User:Namiba 15:37, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yale Bulldogs coaches

College Squash coaches in the United States

• Upmerge Category:Cornell Big Red men’s squash coaches to Category:College squash coaches in the United States, Category:Cornell Big Red men’s squash and Category:Cornell Big Red coaches
• Upmerge Category:Drexel Dragons squash coaches to Category:Drexel Dragons coaches and Category:College squash coaches in the United States
• Upmerge Category:Drexel Dragons squash to Category:Drexel Dragons and Category:College squash in the United States
• Upmerge Category:Princeton Tigers women’s squash coaches to Category:Princeton Tigers squash , Category:Princeton Tigers coaches and Category:College squash coaches in the United States
• Upmerge Category:Princeton Tigers women’s squash players to Category:Princeton Tigers athletes and Category:College women’s squash players in the United States
• Delete Category:Princeton Tigers women’s squash
• Upmerge Category:Stanford Cardinal women’s squash coaches to Category:Stanford Cardinal coaches and Category:College squash coaches in the United States
• Upmerge Category:Yale Bulldogs women’s squash coaches to Category:Yale Bulldogs coaches and Category:College squash coaches in the United States
• Nominator’s rationale The entire tree of Category:College squash coaches in the United States has 5 sub-categories, plus 2 direct articles, the sub-categories being 4 with 1 article and 1 with 2. Because of overlap there are only 7 articles in this entire tree. This is hindering not helping navigation. Drexel Dragons Squash only has an article on the team, so the upmerges there will place that article in parents where it can be navigated between. The Princeton Tigers women’s squash does not have an article on the team, just 2 sub-cats with 1 article each so these moves will empty that category so it needs to be deleted. The entire college squash tree is very thin and full of small categories, but I think this nomination is complex enough on its own, so any further upmerging of other narrow categories for players would best wait for a future nomination.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:49, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge for now, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:51, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Goodreads Choice Awards winners

Nominator’s rationale: The Goodreads Choice Awards is a popularity contest voted on by users of the social media platform Goodreads, property of Amazon Inc., and is based on the millions of books added, rated, and reviewed on Goodreads each year. 15 books are awarded each year in 15 different genre categories. The first category groups authors who wrote the winning books. However, their biography articles do not treat this award as a defining characteristic of their careers or longterm significance, generally listing it with other honours. It is not a defining trait for the large majority of its notable recipients (WP:OCAWARD), as evidenced by reliable sources discussing each. The second category groups books that won a Goodreads Choice Award, which is similarly WP:NONDEFINING because being selected as one of their 15 different “readers’ favorites” each year is not a major part of the literary significance of a given work. The contents of both categories are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. Οἶδα (talk) 09:09, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom: As the creator of the categories I compared it to similar awards collections in literature, and with it being voted on by users compared similar to “popularity” based awards in other fields. But i can understand why the lists work better for this case. HighlandFacts (talk) 20:58, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Clay Higgins

Nominator’s rationale: I believe the editor who created this has things ‘backwards’. The “2016 US House of Representatives election in Louisiana” isn’t a subcategory of “Clay Higgins”, Clay Higgens was named in the article specified – and the same for all the other categories. Haven’t found specific guidance on this, but generally it seems that only particularly notable people have subcategories, such as Nancy Pelosi, Mike Johnson, etc. With 400+ members of the house in any given cycle, it seems unnecessary that each one should be a category unto themselves. Please correct me if I’m in error. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 05:46, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Armenian healthcare managers

Nominator’s rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 05:07, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Serbian haematologist

Nominator’s rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 04:07, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Emperors of Central Africa

Nominator’s rationale: Merge all three into one. (I suspect that I used the wrong template for this, but I’ve never before proposed a three-way merger.) I want to see a single category holding what’s now in all three of these categories.

Because the Central African Empire had only one emperor, and because it never had any other monarchy in its history, these three essentially have the same scope — Emperor Bokassa I was a member of the House of Bokassa, and his house comprises all royalty in the country’s history. If we have any articles on tribal kings, they’re not here, and we probably should have a separate category that distinguishes them from the monarch of the entire country; also, the parent for “CA royalty” shows that it means royalty from what’s now the CAR, not royalty from all countries in the central region of Africa. Obviously the House includes people other than the Emperor, but we can simply put him into Category:Emperors in Africa; I don’t think there’s a need to have a distinct category for him, when we’re absolutely certain that nobody will write any other articles that belong in this category, and it’s almost 100% certain that no other emperors will exist in the future. Sometimes it makes sense to have tiny categories when a parent is 100% subdivided, but Kanta Kotal is already in “Emperors in Africa” rather than in a subcategory, so we wouldn’t be breaking an existing 100%-subdivided status. Nyttend (talk) 02:52, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

PS, we typically would expect to have every head of state in his country’s heads-of-state category, but since Bokassa was President of Central Africa before he named himself emperor, he’s already in Category:Heads of state of the Central African Republic regardless of the imperial categories. Nyttend (talk) 02:57, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge all three into the House of Bokassa Category. If we were to keep the base Category I think it would need yo be renamed Caregory:Emperors of the Central African Empire, “Central Africa” is too widely used to refer to a broad area, and the specific country is at an article titled Central African Republic, it is one of six existing country articles we feel we need to tag on Republic to. I do wonder if Central African Republic politicians should be renamed to Category:Politicians from the Central African Republic, I think it would be a slightly better name, also Category:People from the Central African Republic, etc. However that is a discussion for another day. For now I think we only need the one Category. Although I am wondering if Royalty of the Central African Empire might be the best Category name to end up with. Right now the royalty Category has only 2 entries.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:39, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Alt merge Category:Emperors of Central Africa to Category:Emperors in Africa, delete Category:Central African royalty and keep Category:House of Bokassa. The middle category does not have to be upmerged because Category:House of Bokassa is part of Category:African royal families, hence part of royalty. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Merge to Emperors in Africa. That category already has 1 direct Biographical article, and we have placed others directly in by continent categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:14, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Johnpacklambert, are you changing your first vote, or are you supplementing it? It would help if you’d either strike your first vote or integrate the second one into it. If you do the latter, feel free to delete this comment. WP:TPG says you can edit others’ comments with their permission; presumably deleting a comment entirely is included. Nyttend (talk) 10:00, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]