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====Comments from Mike Christie====

* “The cashmere manufacturer Éric Bompard had been the principal sponsor of the Grand Prix de France since 2003 and the competition bore the company’s name in recognition.” I suspect “in recognition” is not quite right; isn’t it likely that the sponsorship contractually required the name to be used? As phrased it sounds like the tournament organizers generously decided to use the name in gratitude for the sponsorship.

* “The series also provides the viewing public with additional televised skating.”. This phrasing seems slightly odd to me — it’s clearly a true statement, but is the point that the ISU designed the sequence of competitions to attract more TV coverage, or is this just an editorial comment, sourced to someone outside the ISU?

:* The way I understand it is that the motivation for the tournament was partly to generate revenue from TV broadcasts. Interest in figure skating was at a high, and the ISU wanted to capitalize on that by hosting competitions in countries where they would be guaranteed decent TV coverage (France, Canada, the U.S., Germany, Japan, and Russia). In fact, Germany lost their host spot to China because China negotiated a more favorable TV deal with the ISU.

* I would guess that the “preliminary assignments” are the list of expected competitors known some time before the competition begins. Could we get a sentence or two above that table that clarifies the process? E.g. “At the start of the season, preliminary assignments of competitors for each competition are made, based on the previous year’s performances, but these are subject to change because of injury and for other reasons.” Though I don’t know if “start of the season” or the mention of “the previous year’s performance” are correct here.

:* A preliminary list of entrants is released at the beginning of the season for Grand Prix events. I will try to see if I can track down the original list with the date that they were released, but the Internet Archive is blocked here at work, so I will work on it when I get home this afternoon.

* In the judging section you give the multipliers for the short program but not the free skate, presumably since it never happened. I think it would be worth giving the free skate multipliers too — the number was defined for the tournament and is what would have been applied if the tournament had been completed.

:* As I mentioned in a review above, I don’t want to load down the article with details about event components that never took place, such as the required elements for the free skate. And honestly, I’m not sure this table is even necessary.

* I also noticed there was no way for me to find out what the base values were for the technical components. Since those component base values are presumably fixed for at least a season and perhaps longer, I can see that it would excessive detail to add them to every tournament article, but is there some other figure skating article which could be linked from “base value” that gives the numbers or at least gives more detail?

* “and any prize money and qualifying points for the Grand Prix Final were distributed”: suggest “and the prize money and qualifying points for the Grand Prix Final were distributed on that basis”.

— [[User:Mike Christie|Mike Christie]] ([[User_talk:Mike Christie|talk]] – [[Special:Contributions/Mike_Christie|contribs]] – [[User:Mike Christie/Reference library|library]]) 12:36, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

As of 23 September 2025, 13:53 (UTC), this page is active and open for discussion. An FAC coordinator will be responsible for closing the nomination.

Nominator(s): Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:03, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The 2015 Trophée Éric Bompard would have been just another figure skating competition were it not interrupted by the November 2015 Paris attacks. The competition results are all sourced and documented, the tables are properly formatted, the background and history have been extensively re-written to incorporate changes made to 2021 World Figure Skating Championships, the sources are properly formatted and archived, and relevant photographs are used. Please let me know if you have any suggestions or comments, and I look forward to any constructive input. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:03, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source review by Icepinner

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I’ll conduct a source review of this article, though it should be noted I am still new to this (I’ve only conducted one for Terraria so far) so patience is greatly appreciated. Icepinner 23:23, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Earwig reveals the top match is 17.4%, where unparaphrasable phrases have been detected (ex: ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating). All results are not copyvios.

Spot-checks are recommended for 10-15% of the article’s sources, though given the size of this article, 20% of its sources will be vetted. An RNG will be used and the sources up for inspection will not be listed for fairness. I will also focus on [2], which is the most cited source, and [15], a Facebook post.

[2] Is it possible to provide excerpts for [2]? If so, please do so here or send me a photograph of the pages cited via my Discord (this is an exception under the “no contacting me on Discord DMs” rule).

Can approve it ow

[4] Korpi’s name is crossed out.
[7] Besseghier is mentioned in the source. However, I am not too sure whether the source mentions that it was a host pick; he is under France but that doesn’t necessarily imply it was a “host pick”

France was hosting the event; ergo, any French skaters added after the original assignments were host picks.

[11]/[12] Where does it say that Ge was removed from the roster on 28 September? The sources were published in October. Also I’m debating whether this is improper synth considering it’s not mentioned he was removed due to visa issues.

Date changed to October 7. The second source confirms the removal from the French event was due to the visa. “So have to say sorry, but seems French GP will be unable to make it because of visas.”

I interpret it that they speculated they probably couldn’t make it, not that they can’t actually make it, but I’m willing to accept it if appropriate justification is made

That is a giant stretch. A visa is required for Uzbeks to enter France, Ge states that he won’t be able to procure a visa, Ge is removed from the competition. I don’t see a problem here.

Alright fair enough. Can be keeped

[15] is it really the best source you can find? Surely there has to be coverage of their partnership ending. Also debating if it’s improper synth

now approved

[17]/[18] Although [18] does mention that Amodio had an injury which affected his skating career, it mentions that he withdrew from the 2016 European Figure Skating Championships. Once again, improper synth. Is there a better source to this other than his Twitter account?

approved

- Also, why does [18] have the “limited access” parameter? I can access the source just fine. If it’s registration, then the content of the article doesn’t change after registering for an account I can remove that. This source is now gone.
[23]
[29]
[33] most of the claims are checked out, though the claim that 1,500 people attended the concert is not supported. I’ve also added the editor’s name to the citation, though this can be freely reverted if it’s against “consistent source formatting”
- Apologies for the off-topic comment but I feel this an issue that should be raised. I’m struggling to see how the article’s treatment of the November 2015 attacks follows DUEWEIGHT/SCOPE; whilst brief contextual info is needed, going into this level of detail is perhaps not needed, considering how the attacks led the competition to be cancelled.

I have pared this section down.

Thanks. Do you think it’s possible merge the November 2015 attacks and the aftermath section into one, by the way?

There is an Aftermath section which covers followup of the competition, the ISU’s response, and Éric Bompard’s termination of their sponsorship. It makes sense that followup of the attacks would be included there as well, as all of those events were post-November 13.

Alright, I don’t see how it can be merged into one section so we’ll just leave it at that

~~[37] is there a better source for this? The source is a rather opinionated article on migrants and the Schengen area. Also, the claim that seven of the attackers died is not supported~~ This source is now gone.

I’m still a bit unsure how to proceed. Technically we can use the source but I want to know whether there are better sources available (ex: interpretation from the NYT, BBC, etc, since it was a major incident)

Okay, maybe I’m lost, because the numbers changed while I was editing. Which source are you referring to?

[36]. The source is still present

New source added. It is now no. 34.

[34] needs the subscription symbol in its citation

[41]
[45] All of the short programs had been completed on 13 November hours before the attacks began This is not mentioned in the source. The closest is an athlete slept early before the attacks commenced. I will also enquire whether there is a better source for this, though I imagine this competition wasn’t covered that much by secondary sources. The author’s bachelor’s degree in journalism somewhat helps him with the “reliability” mark, though looking at [54], it seems that anyone with an interest in skating can contribute.

Paula Slater (from Golden Skate) is a respected and well-known skating journalist, credentialed by the ISU.

What source(s) back up this claim?

Given there is consensus by WP:FIGURE that it’s a reliable source, it passes the source review.

- Also the cancellation of the medal ceremony is not present within the article.

Irrelevant. Since the competition was not finished, of course there was no medal ceremony.

[49] I’ve added quotation marks to the “act of war” statement
[54]/[55] I’m concerned with [55] along with the website in general; The author appears to be self-published, considering how the only thing that even “helps” with her credibility is her interest in skating.

I’ve already addressed this above, but I also added a different source.

The added source is sufficiently independent and therefore accepted. Likewise, which source(s) say she is credientialed by the ISU?

Some of the links for the citations are presented as archived links even though their links are active. I don’t know if it’s considered as “strict”, but I would like to see this change reflected

The lack of reliable, secondary sources on the competition itself is a bit concerning; Out of the 55 total sources, only [2], [18], [19], and [44] fit the bill. The Golden skate website and The Irish Times news article could fit the bill, though that needs some discussion. The article heavily relies on primary, non-independent sourcing for the competition itself. All the other reliable, secondary sources are used for the attacks, which in itself is overly detailed and needs to be trimmed. It’s okay to use a few primary sources for basic info, but if the article heavily uses primary sourcing, then it’s a bit of a problem under WP:PRIMARY
- Given that WP:FS STYLE advocates for WP:IGNORE, such sources are fine for the FA.
Some citations use “pp” for single pages. This should be corrected accordingly

@Bgsu98: I am nearly done with the source review, I just need the scanned pages. Overall, the sourcing for this article is a bit iffy in my opinion. Given that I am relatively inexperienced with FAC and sports articles, I will request for comments from someone who has experience in this field. Icepinner 02:16, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Icepinner: I have e-mailed you the pages. I will address your other concerns tomorrow. I do agree that the text dealing with the attacks is overly heavy; I imported the text from the article’s main page and already shaved some of it down. I will take another look at it tomorrow. Thank you for taking the time to do the review. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:10, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Icepinner: I believe I have addressed all of your concerns. Please let me know if you need anything else, and thank you! Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:00, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, source numbers are not likely to match anymore because of changes made. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:02, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I’m nearly done. I’ve been procrastinating on [2] for some reason lol. Icepinner 22:10, 6 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bgsu98 I have completed the source review. Apologies if my interpretations were a bit strict, I’m still relatively new to this after all. Icepinner 04:06, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Icepinner: I believe I have addressed your concerns. Please let me know if you need anything else! 😃 Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:58, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bgsu98: finish line is in sight, the only issue that needs addressing is the formatting of [34]. It needs the subscription symbol. Icepinner 22:34, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Icepinner: Icon added. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:37, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bgsu98: I am satisfied that this meets the necessary FAC criteria for sourcing. I shall there support this nomination in terms of sourcing. Great work! Icepinner 22:43, 7 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will do a full review in due course, but as a drive-by comment I feel that the “aftermath” section should be merged into the “attacks” section, given that all of it relates to the attacks and their immediate impact on the competition and not really any sort of aftermath of the competition — ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:33, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:ChrisTheDude: I reworked that whole section this morning. Let me know what you think when you have a chance. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:32, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

“This series also provides the viewing public with additional televised skating, which was in high demand” – tense changes mid-sentence? Everything else in the background section is in the present tense apart from that one verb…….. Done
Any reason for the Changes to preliminary assignments section to be a bullet-pointed list rather than prose…….?

All of the Required performance elements section relates only to the short programme. Obviously that’s the only part that actually took place but is there a way to indicate that they would normally have been expected to do more…….?

I guess I can add clarfication that the free programs would have been held the next day – although that is already mentioned elsewhere in the article – but I certainly don’t want to load up the article with competition elements for components that did not take place. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:41, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Image review – pass

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Hi Bgsu98, happy to do the image review. The article contains the following images:

They have alt texts, captions, and are appropriately placed in the article. Phlsph7 (talk) 12:14, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Phlsph7: Thank you for your time! 😃 Bgsu98 (Talk) 07:36, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Nice work, as always. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 07:20, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

“The cashmere manufacturer Éric Bompard had been the principal sponsor of the Grand Prix de France since 2003 and the competition bore the company’s name in recognition.” I suspect “in recognition” is not quite right; isn’t it likely that the sponsorship contractually required the name to be used? As phrased it sounds like the tournament organizers generously decided to use the name in gratitude for the sponsorship. Fixed.
“The series also provides the viewing public with additional televised skating.”. This phrasing seems slightly odd to me — it’s clearly a true statement, but is the point that the ISU designed the sequence of competitions to attract more TV coverage, or is this just an editorial comment, sourced to someone outside the ISU?

The way I understand it is that the motivation for the tournament was partly to generate revenue from TV broadcasts. Interest in figure skating was at a high, and the ISU wanted to capitalize on that by hosting competitions in countries where they would be guaranteed decent TV coverage (France, Canada, the U.S., Germany, Japan, and Russia). In fact, Germany lost their host spot to China because China negotiated a more favorable TV deal with the ISU.

I would guess that the “preliminary assignments” are the list of expected competitors known some time before the competition begins. Could we get a sentence or two above that table that clarifies the process? E.g. “At the start of the season, preliminary assignments of competitors for each competition are made, based on the previous year’s performances, but these are subject to change because of injury and for other reasons.” Though I don’t know if “start of the season” or the mention of “the previous year’s performance” are correct here.

A preliminary list of entrants is released at the beginning of the season for Grand Prix events. I will try to see if I can track down the original list with the date that they were released, but the Internet Archive is blocked here at work, so I will work on it when I get home this afternoon.

In the judging section you give the multipliers for the short program but not the free skate, presumably since it never happened. I think it would be worth giving the free skate multipliers too — the number was defined for the tournament and is what would have been applied if the tournament had been completed.

As I mentioned in a review above, I don’t want to load down the article with details about event components that never took place, such as the required elements for the free skate. And honestly, I’m not sure this table is even necessary.

I also noticed there was no way for me to find out what the base values were for the technical components. Since those component base values are presumably fixed for at least a season and perhaps longer, I can see that it would excessive detail to add them to every tournament article, but is there some other figure skating article which could be linked from “base value” that gives the numbers or at least gives more detail?
“and any prize money and qualifying points for the Grand Prix Final were distributed”: suggest “and the prize money and qualifying points for the Grand Prix Final were distributed on that basis”. Done.

— Mike Christie (talk – contribs – library) 12:36, 23 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source review by Icepinner

Image review – pass

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