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::The usual rule in space-limited situations like main page hooks is that if something needs a full explanation to be used responsibly, we probably shouldn’t use it at all. I can see the ”de facto” argument but for what it’s worth think {{u|Rjjiii}} made the right shout there. ”[[User:UndercoverClassicist|<b style=”color:#7F007F”>UndercoverClassicist</b>]]” <sup>[[User talk:UndercoverClassicist|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/UndercoverClassicist|C]]</sup> 19:11, 3 January 2026 (UTC) |
::The usual rule in space-limited situations like main page hooks is that if something needs a full explanation to be used responsibly, we probably shouldn’t use it at all. I can see the ”de facto” argument but for what it’s worth think {{u|Rjjiii}} made the right shout there. ”[[User:UndercoverClassicist|<b style=”color:#7F007F”>UndercoverClassicist</b>]]” <sup>[[User talk:UndercoverClassicist|T]]·[[Special:Contributions/UndercoverClassicist|C]]</sup> 19:11, 3 January 2026 (UTC) |
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:::Just stating his name without his role or title provides an incomplete explanation, for those who are not following this geopolitical situation. Additionally, we had listed Maduro in the infobox of [[President of Venezuela]] up to today, and he is listed as president in the [[List of current heads of state and government]]. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 19:15, 3 January 2026 (UTC) |
:::Just stating his name without his role or title provides an incomplete explanation, for those who are not following this geopolitical situation. Additionally, we had listed Maduro in the infobox of [[President of Venezuela]] up to today, and he is listed as president in the [[List of current heads of state and government]]. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 19:15, 3 January 2026 (UTC) |
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::::Beyond the procedural rationale above. Maduro being president is the operative thing here, not a random Venezuelan citizen but the president of a sovereign country kidnapped. To remove this is to reduce the significance of this illegal action. [[User:Gotitbro|Gotitbro]] ([[User talk:Gotitbro|talk]]) 19:31, 3 January 2026 (UTC) |
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The United States strikes targets in Venezuela and captures President Nicolás Maduro
Having just watched the press conference, it appears that the US (and EU) did not recognise Maduro as President. And his article says that over 50 countries, the OAS, and the Lima Group do not recognize Maduro as the legitimate president of Venezuela
. So, why are we giving him the title of President in an undisputed way? Perhaps we should drop the title or qualify it? Andrew🐉(talk) 18:44, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- Seems to now have been dropped. UndercoverClassicist T·C 19:04, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- For now, I’ve removed “President”. The US, EU, and some Latin American countries recognized diplomat Edmundo González Urrutia as the elected president following a vote where he won the majority but was expelled by Maduro. Other countries, like Uruguay recognize neither man. Popular opposition candidate María Corina Machado was barred from running. Likely some qualifier should be added before his name. Rjjiii (talk) 19:09, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- Restore President Regardless of international recognition and political opposition, Maduro was in charge of the country and leading the country, in the office of president. I would reinstate the wording of president. Natg 19 (talk) 19:09, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- The usual rule in space-limited situations like main page hooks is that if something needs a full explanation to be used responsibly, we probably shouldn’t use it at all. I can see the de facto argument but for what it’s worth think Rjjiii made the right shout there. UndercoverClassicist T·C 19:11, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- Just stating his name without his role or title provides an incomplete explanation, for those who are not following this geopolitical situation. Additionally, we had listed Maduro in the infobox of President of Venezuela up to today, and he is listed as president in the List of current heads of state and government. Natg 19 (talk) 19:15, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- Agree. The blurb was per consensus from ITNC and no one raised an objection to this at the nomination there, Rjjiii should revert that unilateral removal.
- Beyond the procedural rationale above. Maduro being president is the operative thing here, not a random Venezuelan citizen but the president of a sovereign country kidnapped. To remove this is to reduce the significance of this illegal action. Gotitbro (talk) 19:31, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- Just stating his name without his role or title provides an incomplete explanation, for those who are not following this geopolitical situation. Additionally, we had listed Maduro in the infobox of President of Venezuela up to today, and he is listed as president in the List of current heads of state and government. Natg 19 (talk) 19:15, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- The usual rule in space-limited situations like main page hooks is that if something needs a full explanation to be used responsibly, we probably shouldn’t use it at all. I can see the de facto argument but for what it’s worth think Rjjiii made the right shout there. UndercoverClassicist T·C 19:11, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
… that, under the governments of Andreas Papandreou (pictured), any Greek citizen raising political criticisms against him was considered a national security threat?
— I’m not sure the source actually says that. What it does say is:It is interesting to note the interpretation of the term “national security” that one of these listeners [that is, employees of the EYP, the Greek intelligence service] related at the committee hearings: “To make polemic critique against the Prime Minister and the Ministers of the government, constitutes a dangerous act for the country’s national security.”
That’s one (fairly junior) government agent’s phrasing in a hearing — it’s quite a way short of saying this was official state policy (the “listener” might have been wrong, spoken imprecisely, or simply been exceeding his authority). Even then, “make polemic critique” means to me publishing propagandistic writings against the government, which is a higher bar than just criticising them. The second quotation given at the DYK nomination in support of this statement doesn’t include it. I also note strong concerns about sourcing raised by an IP on the Talk page, but haven’t been through to assess them (though also note that their accusation that the sourcing was not checked at the GA nomination is clearly untrue).@AirshipJungleman29, No Swan So Fine, and A.Cython: can we swap in a securely-sourced ALT? UndercoverClassicist T·C 11:25, 3 January 2026 (UTC)- Agreed. Sourcing just one study and dragging its conclusions so far should pretty much be considered vandalism. ~2025-31983-94 (talk) 11:41, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- @~2025-31983-94 Careful as you are out of line. Calling someone a vandal without any evidence is insulting. A.Cython(talk) 15:17, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- For now I’ve swapped in ALT4, with minor variations, to give us
… that Andreas Papandreou (pictured), populist Greek prime minister in the 1980s, divorced his second wife to marry an air stewardess less than half his age?
. That one stuck out to me as unimpeachably true (I amended “less than half”, since she turned 34 in 1989 and he was 70 in that year), and the nomination made no suggestion on ALTs other than that ALT8 (raised above) was the most hooky. This is very much a stopgap and I am very happy to be reverted or discuss further. UndercoverClassicist T·C 12:50, 3 January 2026 (UTC)- That was not just from a junior agent but through a series of policies and laws made in the 1980s by the PASOK governments. Papandreou even indicted for this at the same time with the Koskotas scandal but later the charges were dropped, because Mitsotakis had popularity issues both with his party and outside. For example, Konstantinos Karamanlis opposed even the indictment of Papandreou for the Koskotas scandal. The DYK statement actually was an understatement of what happened in 1980s. A.Cython(talk) 15:07, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- From the same journal previous page where the DYK was coming from, As it was pointed out by the members of the Inter-party Investigation Committee in Parliament’s session of September 19, 1989, wiretaps of this kind were organized especially when, by Law 1645/86, the Greek Central Intelligence (KYP), renamed under PASOK as National Information Service (EYP), was demilitarized or “politicized” and was placed directly under According to that law, the Premier could exclusively decide on EYP staffing and structure; In other words PASOK passed a law to make this a reality. Did you even bothered to read the journal article?
- Here is another from the article:
- Wiretapping under the PASOK administration, however, was scandalous because, as it has been substantiated by the pertinent Parliamentary Investigation Committee, it was irrelevant for national security. It was rather similar to “Nixonian tactics,” as Hitchens points out,’ organized to serve the will of the PASOK premier to politically control his rivals. Do you want from different sources as well? A.Cython(talk) 15:22, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- It does not really matter in the end. Writing this article was the bane of my existence as I had to go through the massive literature, while at the same time to deal with people injecting their opinion/beliefs and no evidence. I cannot work in WP without evidence. A.Cython(talk) 16:06, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- I’m not arguing that the statement is untrue (that is well above our pay grade here), but we need a source that unambiguously says what’s in the hook in order to run it. I can’t see anything in the material you quote here, or the rest of the journal article cited, or the other source cited during the DYK nomination, that says what we need: a clear statement that Papandreou’s governments redefined the term “national security risk” to include any citizen that criticised him. The comment about the EYP officer’s statement is not that. UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:21, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- It does not really matter in the end. Writing this article was the bane of my existence as I had to go through the massive literature, while at the same time to deal with people injecting their opinion/beliefs and no evidence. I cannot work in WP without evidence. A.Cython(talk) 16:06, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- That was not just from a junior agent but through a series of policies and laws made in the 1980s by the PASOK governments. Papandreou even indicted for this at the same time with the Koskotas scandal but later the charges were dropped, because Mitsotakis had popularity issues both with his party and outside. For example, Konstantinos Karamanlis opposed even the indictment of Papandreou for the Koskotas scandal. The DYK statement actually was an understatement of what happened in 1980s. A.Cython(talk) 15:07, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
- Agreed. Sourcing just one study and dragging its conclusions so far should pretty much be considered vandalism. ~2025-31983-94 (talk) 11:41, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
I have just swapped the hooks in January 3’s set, as they had not been swapped for 2026. I encourage editors to check the set and suggest changes below. Admin, please feel free to make changes without consulting or pinging me. Z1720 (talk) 19:57, 2 January 2026 (UTC)
I have just swapped the hooks in January 4’s set, as they had not been swapped for 2026. I encourage editors to check the set and suggest changes below. Admin, please feel free to make changes without consulting or pinging me. If anyone is interested in swapping OTD hooks to help reduce the backlog, feel free to do so and ping me for tips and advice. Z1720 (talk) 04:51, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
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