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:Also a few other mentions in “snippet view”, for instance [https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Untangling_the_Web/Jn9pOo0MNGgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22I+can+eat+glass%22&dq=%22I+can+eat+glass%22&printsec=frontcover ”Untangling the Web: Nonce’s Guide to Language & Culture on the Internet” p. 48], but nothing that really helps I’m afraid. [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 15:00, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

:Also a few other mentions in “snippet view”, for instance [https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Untangling_the_Web/Jn9pOo0MNGgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22I+can+eat+glass%22&dq=%22I+can+eat+glass%22&printsec=frontcover ”Untangling the Web: Nonce’s Guide to Language & Culture on the Internet” p. 48], but nothing that really helps I’m afraid. [[User:Alansplodge|Alansplodge]] ([[User talk:Alansplodge|talk]]) 15:00, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you very much! [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 03:58, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you very much! [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 03:58, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

::What a terribly unfortunate name for a book. I can’t see it selling well, or at all, in Britain. [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 21:11, 13 September 2025 (UTC)

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….cavern: How can I place this — [www.carlsbadcavernstradingco.com/resteraunt Cafe in Carlsbad Caverns] in the Carlsbad Caverns article? It is a cafe that is inside a natural cave system in New Mexico, and possibly the only known cafe that is underground. The reason I’m asking is that this unusual website is heavily illustrated with pixes of the cafe, and I cannot do anything with this, due to certain Wikipedia regs, and the website placement issues on Wikipedia. I found the cafe on Google. Also, since it is nearly 500 feet underground, SOME people thinks it will make a nice bomb shelter since there are military installations nearby.216.247.72.142 (talk) 02:26, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Carlsbad Cavern already mentions the “Underground Lunchroom”, and there is a link in the external links section. It is not the only known underground cafe. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:25, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I hope they don’t actually spell it “resteraunt”. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:54, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I note that https://carlsbadcavernstradingco.com/restaurant/ makes no claim to being underground, whereas https://carlsbadcavernstradingco.com/underground-lunch-room/ flaunts its subterranean location. — Verbarson  ^talk_edits 14:53, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Friend: I am hoping that someone working in the technical department can update the system format so that whenever I am at an article, I can switch the reference numbers off and on. I enjoy listening to the articles, and when the reference numbers are included, they get read out and this can tend to cause confusion. Thank You🏆 🙂 74.255.169.123 (talk) 13:18, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can find out a few ways to do that yourself here: Help:Reference display customization#In-text cites. Chuntuk (talk) 14:03, 3 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We don’t have a read aloud mode that would do this automatically? Viriditas (talk) 20:03, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Wikipedia does have a wikiproject, wikiproject spoken Wikipedia, so you could look into that somehow- possibly ask at the talk page for it. 24.190.200.120 (talk) 13:21, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I fully support Wikipedia – to the tune of the biggest monthly donation standing offer I can afford. And I encourage everybody who benefits from Wikipedia to do what they can too. But I really find it bothersome to receive firm “please don’t close this box” type donation request messages when I open Wikipedia. I’m logged in, so can’t the system leave me alone? ˜˜˜˜ Hayttom (talk) 01:47, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t recall ever seeing that kind of message. Maybe there’s some oddity with your preferences or something. Has this been going on for a long time, or did it just start recently? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:20, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Hayttom I’ve never seen that. That box is definitely suspect, but try clicking on preferences at the top of any page, then click on “banners” and untick everything. Also you might be interested to read up on Wikipedia finances. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:34, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Instructions at Wikipedia:Suppress display of the fundraising banner — Verbarson  ^talk_edits 14:46, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’m going through the Tavernier biography word by word, beginning with confirming his birth date. Strangely, no source I can find does this, except for the French Wikipedia, which lists “Acte de naissance, 27 avril 1844, état civil reconstitué, Paris, Archives de Paris lire en ligne [archive] (vue 6/51).[1] I cannot access either of those links. They just open up and show blank pages. Can someone help me? Viriditas (talk) 00:44, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When I go to this link (found at wikidata Q3188933 under “birth name”):

https://archives.paris.fr/arkotheque/visionneuse/visionneuse.php?arko=YTo2OntzOjQ6ImRhdGUiO3M6MTA6IjIwMjUtMDktMDUiO3M6MTA6InR5cGVfZm9uZHMiO3M6MTE6ImFya29fc2VyaWVsIjtzOjQ6InJlZjEiO2k6Mzk7czo0OiJyZWYyIjtpOjMwODQzODtzOjE2OiJ2aXNpb25uZXVzZV9odG1sIjtiOjE7czoyMToidmlzaW9ubmV1c2VfaHRtbF9tb2RlIjtzOjQ6InByb2QiO30=#uielem_move=0%2C0&uielem_rotate=F&uielem_islocked=0&uielem_zoom=43

and hit the right arrow ⮕ at the bottom left till I reach page 6, I see an acte de naissance on that date for Jules Wilhem, son of John Tavernier, confiseur and Marie Louise Woillaume. Note that the act gives the painter’s middle name as Wilhem, note Wilhelm. The French Wikipedia also has Wilhem, but the scribe may have made an error in recording the name he was told.

(I don’t know how stable this is. I see no way to link directly to the page or image. I can email you a screenshot of the birth certificate.)

Based on what I see here, it looks like Jules’ maternal grandfather was also a Tavernier.  ​‑‑Lambiam 09:29, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that’s correct. The linking doesn’t work, but since it is listed in chronological and alphabetical order, I scrolled to the last birth certificate on that date in the civil registry and then proceeded to work my way backwards and there it was. I was able to download the image but not to save a link. Was this file reconstructed due to the fire at the Paris Commune? Viriditas (talk) 09:48, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Additional question: due to the Paris Commune fire, the birth certificate was recreated sometime between 1871 and 1877 (allegedly). If so, can I upload an image of the birth certificate to commons? Viriditas (talk) 10:00, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now that true fluorescent lights have been banned (no thanks to those goddam environmentalists), where TF can I get a straight 48-inch T12 bi-pin type A (or type C) LED replacement in warm white color (with a color temperature of ~2700K or less), as opposed to “bright white” (3000K)?! I’ve checked at Lowe’s and at Home Depot, but the lowest they have is 3000K! 2601:646:8082:BA0:93:4615:4E62:CFCB (talk) 11:32, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fwiw, 2700K and 3000K are actually reasonably close in appearance. It’s 5000K “daylight” color temps that are harsh and blue-ish. — Avocado (talk) 14:26, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on the person, and on the specific application — to you they look almost the same, but to me there’s a significant difference (also, in my case, the 2700K warm white light was combined with a daylight one in the same fixture, which gave a perfect color balance — but as luck would have it, it was the warm-white light which burned out, and after I replaced it with the 3000K bright white light, the balance is now noticeably off!) 2601:646:8082:BA0:93:4615:4E62:CFCB (talk) 22:07, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I can see that being an issue with the combination. Sometimes they sell 4000K Bright White LEDs. Perhaps a pair of those would provide the color temp you need? — Avocado (talk) 15:07, 7 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated Ethan Mollick for Did You Know. I planned to use a hook related to Mollick’s project of finding more than 150 translations of the phrase “I can eat glass, it does not hurt me.” I have not been able to find good sourcing for this beyond a brief mention in the index of the book Language: Its Structure and Use by Edward Finegan, which states he translated it over 100 times, not 150. I would appreciate any assistance trying to find at least one accessible reliable source to cite this statement. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 19:01, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I found a brief and not very helpful mention in The Oxford Handbook of Reading pp. 10-11.

Also a few other mentions in “snippet view”, for instance Untangling the Web: Nonce’s Guide to Language & Culture on the Internet p. 48, but nothing that really helps I’m afraid. Alansplodge (talk) 15:00, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! Thriley (talk) 03:58, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What a terribly unfortunate name for a book. I can’t see it selling well, or at all, in Britain. DuncanHill (talk) 21:11, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Does anyone familiar with Utah Valley University have a clue as to where the photos have been taken? Likely somewhere near Richard D. & Joann B. Losee Center in 2005 Trade (talk) 22:29, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What does 2005 have to do with it? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:54, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The shooter was positioned on the roof on a nearby building. The photos were likely taken by security cameras inside that building, assuming he accessed the roof from the inside and not from climbing an outside wall. You would have to check news reports to see whether the name of that building has been made public. Xuxl (talk) 12:44, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

“In 2005” implies the year. What does the year 2005 have to do with anything/ ←Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:06, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The question was where the photos have been taken. This obviously asks about the position in 4-dimensional space-time, so any answer must include latitude, longitude, elevation and time. PiusImpavidus (talk) 10:29, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
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Maybe that’s the year the OP will come back here and explain. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What’s up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:18, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Clearing briars on the Sussex farm where I live revealed this stone. The inscription reads

T. C.

1846

S. C. 1876

Its shape suggests a headstone, but its size, 15 inches by 12, doesn’t, and anyway it’s my impression that in the 19th century it would have been illegal to bury anyone outside a churchyard or municipal cemetery. My best guess is that it’s a marker stone left by a utilities company or some such, but can anyone identify it with more certainty? —Antiquary (talk) 12:09, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think it’s ever been illegal to bury people “at home”, as it were, certainly nowadays in England and Wales as long as you have the landowner’s permission (and there are no restrictive covenants or environmental regulations) you can do it. Burial on your own land was common amongst Quakers, and the simplicity and small size of the stone would be consistent with their practice. I would suggest searching old censuses etc to see if people with those initials lived or died on your farm. Of course, people also bury dogs, cats, horses, etc, sometimes with headstones. It has just struck me that they could be unbaptised infants, some priests wouldn’t allow them in consecrated ground. DuncanHill (talk) 12:44, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’m doubtful that a cat’s or dog’s gravestone would bear initials rather than “Tiddles” or “Rover” or what have you, but I like your other two suggestions. I know there were Quakers in the next parish along in the early 18th century because, unusually, a corner of the Anglican churchyard was allocated to them. I need to establish whether the farmers here had a surname starting with C. —Antiquary (talk) 12:59, 12 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’d support ChatGPT’s suggestion that it’s a boundary marker, like those with two-letter initials in East Sussex. This one, in particular, also bears initials, probably of the person who put it, with a year. Brandmeister ^talk 14:52, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Very interesting. Since your “Boundary stone Maesglase” image is of a stone on Snowdon I’m almost certain the initials C. C. C. stand for Caernarvonshire County Council. Could S. C. be Sussex Council then? —Antiquary (talk) 16:07, 13 September 2025 (UTC) Ah, but now I come to think of it we didn’t have county councils in 1861, so strike that. —Antiquary (talk) 16:44, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For comparison, there’s a complete guide to boundary stones in Maidenhead. Couldn’t find equivalent for Sussex, but rounded tops and two-letter abbreviations with a year on some of them are quite similar. Brandmeister ^talk 18:51, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not a boundary stone, they have the two entities on different sides, and having two different dates wouldn’t make sense either. “T C” and “S C” wouldn’t make sense either, you’d expect a something with P for Parish or a B for Borough. As for the Maesglase marker, not only weren’t there county councils in 1861, Maesglase wasn’t on a border with Carnarvonshire anyway. DuncanHill (talk) 20:35, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]