Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Meszerus: Difference between revisions

20 September 2025

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Suspected sockpuppets

All four were involved in some way in a dispute over a single piece of text in the Alien: Earth article, either participating in an edit war to remove it or justifying its removal on the talk page, using the same arguments. If the second user can still be simply a registered anonymous user, I am confused by the fact that both the original author and the anonymous participant used the same arguments, consistently claiming that the showrunner’s statements cannot be accepted as an authoritative source until he literally says the necessary thesis in plain text, and that the interviewer who elaborates on his thoughts is merely “engaged in interpretation.” Solaire the knight (talk) 17:16, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I can see that the other three users listed are all single-contribution accounts on the same topic, so I understand why a sockpuppet investigation has been started. Meszerus is my sole account, but happy for you to run the investigation anyway. On “claiming that the showrunner’s statements cannot be accepted as an authoritative source until he literally says the necessary thesis in plain text”: I believe the showrunner is an authoritative source, I just don’t believe the showrunner is saying the same thing that had been added to the article, and in part this has come from wording of the RadioTimes’ team rather than directly the words of the showrunner himself. I believe taking the author’s explicit words, rather than any inferred meaning, would be the view of many editors, seemingly including the three accounts listed. We have/are discussing the issue at length in Talk:Alien:_Earth#Canonicity, where I am awaiting other editors to contribute to the discussion. If I was sockpuppeting, surely I would just have them “heed the call”? Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meszerus (talk • contribs) 19:45, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This isn’t about whether your arguments in the article’s discussion are valid or not. It’s only about whether you own the three accounts in question. If you at least deny it, then simply stating it is sufficient. There’s no need to argue your position in the entire dispute. Solaire the knight (talk) 20:42, 20 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not intend to dispute editing matter here; that should be confined to the Alien Earth Talk page. Hence me deferring there. I am not asking the sockpuppet investigators to take part, or anything like that. The only reason I brought it up here is because, insofar as it relates to the question of sockpuppeting, I believe it to be a likely reason other accounts, such as the three in question, may make such a change. As I said above. I will not touch again on the matter here.

And I have denied it, I have stated above: “Meszerus is my sole account”.

You have been very abrasive towards me from our very first interaction (“what are you talking about”), you have also personally attacked me (“you are easily confused”), and you still attach positions to me ever after I repeat that those are not my position, so politely I would request we minimise engagement with each other. Meszerus (talk) 08:40, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you’ve continued the edit war, deleting source-confirmed information, started by anonymous people. With essentially the same arguments. To the point that when I responded to the second user mentioned here, I didn’t even notice it was a different person. As expected, I’m starting to suspect something’s amiss here.The question “what are you talking about?” was entirely appropriate, given that you were denying the content of the source, which was literally stated in the title of its content. Perhaps my reaction was overly emotional, I admit, but in the end, the whole argument started only because you refused to acknowledge any information other than the showrunners’ literal, outright statement. Yet you refused my offer to find other sources that could corroborate your interpretation of the sources, while all the other interviews I found still followed Noah’s original statements. Solaire the knight (talk) 12:31, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Look, I explained why I briefly touched on the editing mater above in relation to this investigation. That’s it. As I’ve said above, I will not touch again on it here, so this stuff about me not finding other sources is just not relevant here: it does not suggest I am or am not any of the other three people, so what purpose does it serve bringing it up here.

I have politely asked we minimise engagement with each other, and yet you want to debate the things I’ve pointed at for why.

Your personal Talk page tells a story of conflicts with other users, not reading or understanding other users (I wish I had seen this before having to re-explain so much), and you’ve already made a personal attack on me that I have never done to you, so let me make it (once again) clear: please leave me alone. Meszerus (talk) 17:54, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To the admins: in relation to my point (and I suppose, my defence) that “I believe taking the author’s explicit words, rather than any inferred meaning, would be the view of many editors“, a new editor with a much more sustained and involved presence than the other accounts listed above (Butterscotch Beluga) has also joined the discussion with the same argument as me. Whilst I personally do not believe the amount of editors who do, or do not, share the same arguments as me neccessarily is proof either way to prove sockpuppeting, I hope it further illustrates my point that people having the same argument is not itself cause for suspicion. Meszerus (talk) 18:26, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn’t include all users who ever agreed with you. It only includes anonymous users who were involed in common edit war with you, and a new user who made a single edit on the same day in the same thread. Solaire the knight (talk) 18:29, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said, “I can see that the other three users listed are all single-contribution accounts on the same topic, so I understand why a sockpuppet investigation has been started”, so on that point, I understand and appreciate this was raised on good faith. On the point of making the same argument (which is in your opening post), this is specifically in relation to. But again, I repeat myself. This message was explicitly for the admins, anyway: they will be the judge. I have asked you again and again to leave me alone. Meszerus (talk) 18:42, 21 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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