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Nominator: Jm307 (talk · contribs) 19:45, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: Viriditas (talk · contribs) 21:21, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
Feedback
- Initial observations
- @Jm307: The lead still fails to summarize the main points. For example, you don’t mention the censored 1936 reissue in the third paragraph, but instead talk about later influences, which should probably moved to the fourth paragraph. In addition to the lead, there’s a slight disconnect between the censorship of the 1936 release and two later sections. For example, you don’t talk about this in the “1930 release and 1936 re-release” section, but allude to it as “several small cuts to accommodate the Production Code”, which is frankly a bit weird, because you did talk about it in the previous production section, where it doesn’t really fit. After all, the censorship occurred years after the production. I realize these are pretty minor issues, but they do stand out on a re-read. There’s a lack of unity in terms of just this one issue. Figure out how to handle the re-issue and censorship in the lead. While unusual, it does look like censorship should be moved out of production and into the 1936 re-release section. Etc.
- “It established several of the Marx Brothers’ most famous comedic routines.” Is this supported in the body?
- Why is there still a source citation in the last paragraph of the lead?
- Duplication of restoration info in multiple sections seems odd. It’s mentioned in the lead (good), then in the censorship section under production (not convinced it should be here), then briefly mentioned again in “Rights issues and 1974 re-release” and “Home media”. It does feel like it deserves its own section or move to another, perhaps home media, as the restoration occurred that same year as the release. Looking online, there is a lot more to say about the restoration process that doesn’t appear here.
- Thanks! I’m going to try responding to your comments more quickly this time, to see if that makes a better review. To your points:
- I’ve changed the lead to match your suggestion, and consolidated discussion of censorship and restoration in the re-releases in the appropriate release section.
- There’s a ton to say about the restoration process, but I didn’t want to turn the article into a trivia dumping ground (e.g., listing *all* of the restored censor cuts). Were there particularly interesting bits that you thought should be included?
- Re: “It established several of the Marx Brothers’ most famous comedic routines.” – the text talks about the songs (“Hooray for Captain Spaulding”; “Hello I Must Be Going”; “I’m Daffy Over You”) and the quote in the AFI top 100. I guess these are only routines if you squint hard at them. “famous comedic bits” sounded a bit off. Maybe “famous parts of their repertoire”?
- There was a source citation in the lead because, the information being only one sentence, I didn’t think it was worth including elsewhere. I’ve duplicated it in the release section with the citation, and removed the citation in the lead.
References
| Ref | Author | Comments | Result |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Cohn 1990, p. M-144 | ||
| 2 | Mitchell 1996, p. 16 | ||
| 3 | Kanfer 2000, p. 134 | ||
| 4 | Coniam 2015, p. 43 | ||
| 5 | Coniam 2015, p. 47 | ||
| 6 | Coniam 2015, p. 48 | ||
| 7 | Coniam 2015, p. 49 | ||
| 8 | NYPLimage | ||
| 9 | Bader 2022, p. 345 | ||
| 10 | Mitchell 1996, p. 63 | ||
| 11 | Bader 2022, p. 346 | ||
| 12 | Coniam 2015, p. 31-32 | ||
| 13 | Kanfer 2000, p. 132 | ||
| 14 | Coniam 2015, p. 33 | ||
| 15 | Mitchell 1996, p. 19 | ||
| 16 | Roth 1954, p. 84 | ||
| 17 | Variety 1930c | ||
| 18 | Bader 2022, p. 347 | ||
| 19 | New York Daily News 2019 | ||
| 20 | Roth 1954, p. 84-85 | ||
| 21 | Adamson 1973, p. 103 | ||
| 22 | Bader 2022, p. 348 | ||
| 23 | Louvish 2000, p. 209-211 | ||
| 24 | McKelvey 2016 | ||
| 25 | Mitchell 1996, p. 14 | ||
| 26 | Captain Spaulding Lyrics | ||
| 27 | Coniam 2015, p. 50 | ||
| 28 | Louvish 2000, p. 218 | ||
| 29 | Louvish 2000, p. 218-219 | ||
| 30 | Louvish 2000, p. 216 | ||
| 31 | Louvish 2000, p. 219 | ||
| 32 | Celati 2024, p. 83-91 | ||
| 33 | Adamson 1973, p. 114 | ||
| 34 | Artaud 1958, p. 142 | ||
| 35 | Jarmusch 1992 | ||
| 36 | Eggener 1993 | ||
| 37 | Chilton 2019 | ||
| 38 | Film Comment 2012 | ||
| 39 | Frank, Heidecker & Pertega 2019, p. 40 | ||
| 40 | Variety 1930b, p. 8 | ||
| 41 | Variety 1932, p. 62 | ||
| 42 | Mitchell 1996, p. 20 | ||
| 43 | Stoliar 2011, p. 24 | ||
| 44 | Maltin 1974, p. 1D | ||
| 45 | Variety 1949a | ||
| 46 | Stoliar 2011, p. 26 | ||
| 47 | Stoliar 2011, p. 32 | ||
| 48 | Silverstein 1974 | ||
| 49 | Stoliar 2011, p. 36-42 | ||
| 50 | O’Connor 1979, p. 64 | ||
| 51 | Liebenson 2016 | ||
| 52 | Cearns 2016 | ||
| 53 | Arnaudin 2020 | ||
| 54 | Rotten Tomatoes | ||
| 55 | Metacritic | ||
| 56 | Hall 1930 | ||
| 57 | Dickstein 1930 | ||
| 58 | The Film Daily 1930 | ||
| 59 | Silverman 1930 | ||
| 60 | Truffaut 1954 | ||
| 61 | Lochte 1974 | ||
| 62 | Sterritt 1974 | ||
| 63 | O’Connor 1979 | ||
| 64 | Tucci 2009 | ||
| 65 | Key & Peele 2014 | ||
| 66 | Juster, Feiffer & Marcus 2011, p. 10 | ||
| 67 | Marx 1976, p. 106 | ||
| 68 | AFI100 | ||
| 69 | MeTV 2020 | ||
| 70 | Payne 2015 | No issues. | checked |
| 71 | Vognar 2022 | This source doesn’t support the following: “The character had a significant impact on Groucho Marx’s own career. His songs “Hooray for Captain Spaulding” and “Hello, I Must Be Going” became recurring themes for Groucho through the years. Groucho came to be identified with the character. An instrumental version of “Hooray for Captain Spaulding” served as the theme music for most of the run of Groucho’s quiz show You Bet Your Life.” | fix |
| 72 | Nesselson 1996 | No issues. | checked |
| 73 | Saito 2012 | “It lent its name to a 1982 album by British musician Phil Collins”. Don’t see that in the cited source. | fix |
| 74 | Ebert 2009 | Change cite pub to “RogerEbert.com” as it is stylized that way on the about page. | fix |
| 75 | Dirks 1996‑2025 | Change “filmsite” to “Filmsite”. I would cite it as “Dirks 1996‑2025”, which is unusual, but reflects what we know. It was originally written around 1996 but the site is still updated and maintained. The earliest IA version is 1997, but there could be earlier ones that it missed. | fix |
| 76 | LDDB DiscoVision 2023 | Append year of update (2023) to ref and cite (LDDB DiscoVision 2023) | fix |
| 77 | LDDB MCA Home Video 2023 | Append publisher (MCA Home Video) and year of update (2023) to ref and cite (LDDB MCA Home Video 2023) | fix |
| 78 | Zacharek & Taylor 2004 | This cite can be used to support part of ref 79 (five films) | checked |
| 79 | Marx Brothers Silver Screen Blu-Ray (review & media) | Not a fan of citing Amazon here. Let’s replace this with a cite to a review and the product itself (cite media) | replace |

