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[[User:Dalal Zamindar|Dalal Zamindar]] ([[User talk:Dalal Zamindar|talk]]) 17:27, 30 September 2025 (UTC)

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:{{done}} – I changed the heading level to match the other sections. [[User:WikiEdita65|WikiEdita65]] ([[User talk:WikiEdita65|talk]]) 02:45, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

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Add Hooda to the list of Jat clans, it is a very prominent gotra of Jats in Haryana, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh Rockarmy (talk) 16:16, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it’s not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a “change X to Y” format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Dahawk04 (talk) 19:00, 11 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The “maharaja” photo is an Arab ruler of Bahawalpur, not a Jat maharaja of Bharatpur. You can see it, among others, in the description section of that photo. — 95.24.77.92 (talk) 07:07, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

btw, image is of Balwant Singh of Bharatpur now. 2601:84:8501:8150:1177:CE:CEF9:391C (talk) 20:41, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Add this at the start of the history section for Hindu Jats:

Starting in the 10th century, Jat chiefs would establish semi-autonomous states in historical Jangladesh,[1] with the most powerful clans being the Poonias, Godaras, Sarans, Asiaghs, Beniwals, and Johiyas, among others.[2][3] In the 15th century, the Rathore Rajputs would exploit the rivalry between the clans and conquer the region, establishing the Bikaner State. The Jat chiefs were forced to recognize the suzerainty of the Rathores, although some, particularly the Godara Jats who had previously allied with the forces of Rao Bika, were given certain privileges under the Bikaner realm.[4][5]

2601:84:8501:8150:A4EB:E2A5:E9DC:9987 (talk) 02:27, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done – I just changed some of the wording to be past tense per MOS:WAS. WikiEdita65 (talk) 02:20, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Sharma, Dasharatha (1966). Rajasthan Through the Ages: From the earliest times to 1316 A.D. Bikaner: Rajasthan State Archives. pp. 287–288. There is good reason to believe that parts of the present north-eastern and north-western Rajasthan were inhabited by Jat clans ruled by their own chiefs and largely governed by their own customary law.
  2. ^ L. S. Rathore (2005). Maharaja Sadul Singh of Bikaner: a biography of the co-architect of India’s unity, Volume 1. Books Treasure. p. 13. ISBN 9788190042208. Nearly the whole of the territory that formed the boundaries of Bikaner was possessed by six Jat clans, namely, Poonia, Godara, Saran, Asiagh, Beniwal and Johiyas.
  3. ^ K.K. Segahl (1962). Rajasthan District Gazetteers Bikaner. Directorate Of District Gazetteers, Govt. Of Rajasthan. They lived as semi-autonomous tribes-especially the Jats, who formed the seven different clans amongst themselves (1) Punia, (2) Godara, (3) Saran, (4) Kaswa, (5) Beniwal, (6) Sihag, and (7) Sohua, but Tod enumerates only six Jat clans, i.e. Punia, Godara, Saran, Asiach, Beniwal and Johiya though this last clan is by some termed a ramification of the Yadu-Bhati Rajputs.
  4. ^ Kothiyal, Tanuja (2016). Nomadic Narratives: A History of Mobility and Identity in the Great Indian. Cambridge University Press. p. 78. ISBN 9781107080317. Retrieved 2020-09-17.
  5. ^ Panikkar, Kavalam Madhava (1937). His Highness the Maharaja of Bikaner: A Biography. Oxford University Press.

Also add this in Hindu Jats history section:

In 1505, the Bamraulia Jats would migrate and settle in the trans-Chambal tract, laying the foundations for the Kingdom of Gohad.[1] The Jats of Gohad would briefly capture and hold the Gwalior fort, before losing it to the Marathas.[2] In 1805, the last ruler of Gohad, Rana Kirat Singh, as part of an arrangement made with the British East India Company, would go on to establish the Dholpur State.[3][4]

2601:84:8501:8150:A4EB:E2A5:E9DC:9987 (talk) 04:16, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done – tense changes have been made here also. A reminder that you can edit an edit request you have posted if you want to add more information; this helps editors make the changes all in one go. WikiEdita65 (talk) 02:32, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why Editors are not responding to these edit requests when enough reliable sources are being provided, neither you are opening the page, its against the values of wikipedia

Mention about the rule of Jats in the trans-Chambal region, The Gohad kingdom that existed almost for 300 years and for a brief period also controlled the Fort of Gwalior

  1. https://books.google.com/books?id=K_YvAQAAIAAJ
  2. https://books.google.com/books?id=YQdZlHJ2WTAC&pg=PA131
  3. Mahotsav, Amrit. “Battle of Dholpur in 1803“. amritmahotsav.nic.in Government of India. “At the same time, the British also helped the Jats led by Rana Kirat Singh, to win the Gohad region from the Scindias. As part of an arrangement made by the Company, Rana Kirat Singh was given Dholpur and the former took over Gohad. Thus, the Dholpur state was formed and Rana Kirat Singh was declared its ruler in 1805.”
  4. https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Asia_Conserved/0B0MEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Gohad+Kingdom+of+Jats&pg=PA202&printsec=frontcover
  5. https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/India_of_the_Princes/GYVCAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Gohad+Kingdom+of+Jats&dq=Gohad+Kingdom+of+Jats&printsec=frontcover

Vivan007 (talk) 16:55, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

and also mention the jats in Jangladesh 2601:84:8501:8150:1177:CE:CEF9:391C (talk) 20:45, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The other sections have images so it would be good to add one for Muslim Jats also. You can add image of Nawab Faizullah Khan to it. 2601:84:8501:8150:CDF2:E02B:17C9:34E (talk) 17:19, 11 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 118 references a source that appears to be the product of a vanity publisher. Citation 120 misrepresents its cited source, which describes a hierarchy of British recruitment preferences that ranked Sikhs above Hindus based on a WWI-era recruiting officer’s account.
Citation 121 is both a dead link and the material is of questionable relevance to the content of this article.

I believe it would be appropriate to remove the following specific material (apparently drawn from these three sources) from the article:

” According to Amiya Samanta, the martial race was chosen from people of mercenary spirit (a soldier who fights for any group or country that will pay him/her), as these groups lacked nationalism as a trait. [118]”

“In the period subsequent to 1881, when the British reversed their prior anti-Sikh policies, it was necessary to profess Sikhism in order to be recruited to the army because the administration believed Hindus to be inferior for military purposes. [120]”

“The Indian Army admitted in 2013 that the 150-strong Presidential Bodyguard comprises only people who are Hindu Jats, Jat Sikhs and Hindu Rajputs. Refuting claims of discrimination, it said that this was for “functional” reasons rather than selection based on caste or religion. [121]” Evictedlobster (talk) 07:04, 19 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please add an etymology section between the lead and history section, like below:

(The first four citations for Zutt, the 8th citation with Andre Wink, and the 9th citation are already in the article)

The Arabic term “Zutt“ is derived from Jat,[1][2][3] but referred generally to most tribes of the Indus valley, including non-Jat tribes such as the Qufs, Andaghars, and Sayabijas.[4]

In the Sindhi language, there are three words which can be romanized as Jat,[5] those being:

During Mughal rule, the term “Jat” began to be loosely synonymous with “peasant” in the Punjab region.[9] In West Punjab and the NWFP, “Jat” and “Rajput” were seen more as socioeconomic titles rather than ethnic identities.[10]

The Jats of Afghanistan refer to several nomadic ethnic groups distinct from Indic Jats.[11]

Dalal Zamindar (talk) 17:27, 30 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done – I changed the heading level to match the other sections. WikiEdita65 (talk) 02:45, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Maclean, Derryl N. (1984). Religion and Society in Arab Sind. McGill University. ISBN 978-0-315-20821-6. Pg. 45.
  2. ^ Nizami, Khaliq Ahmad (1994). “Early Arab Contact with South Asia”. Journal of Islamic Studies. 5 (1): 52–69. ISSN 0955-2340. JSTOR 26196673. Pg. 57.
  3. ^ ʿAthamina, Khalil (1998). “Non-Arab Regiments and Private Militias during the Umayyād Period”]. Arabica. 45 (3): 347–378. ISSN 0570-5398. Pg. 355. JSTOR 4057316
  4. ^ Zakeri, Mohsen (1995). Sāsānid Soldiers in Early Muslim Society: The Origins of ʻAyyārān and Futuwwa. Otto Harrassowitz Verlag. ISBN 978-3-447-03652-8. Pg. 123, 195, 196.
  5. ^ جاٽَ (p. 640), جَتُ (p. 649), ڄَٽُ (p. 683), in Nabī Bakhshu Khānu Balocu. Jāmiʻ Sindhī lughāta. Karācī: Ḥaidarābād Sindhu, Pākistān: Sindhī Adabī Borḍ, 1960–1988. Available online at the Digital South Asia Library.
  6. ^ “Indus Delta’s unique ‘Kharai’ camels on verge of extinction”. Daily Times. 2017-10-28. Retrieved 2024-01-22. Jatt (Also Jat or Jath) is an ingenious community in lower Sindh, Makran and Katch (or Kachh) area of India.
  7. ^ Cheesman, David (2013-12-16). Landlord Power and Rural Indebtedness in Colonial Sind. New Delhi, India, Asia: Routledge. p. 36. ISBN 978-1-136-79449-0. In Baluchistan, a ‘jat’ signified a camel-handler and this seems to have been the original occupation of Sindhi Jats, but many were also farm labourers.
  8. ^ Wink, André (2002). Al-Hind, the Making of the Indo-Islamic World: Early Medieval India and the Expansion of Islam 7Th-11th Centuries. BRILL. ISBN 978-0-391-04173-8. Pg. 160, 172.
  9. ^ Mayaram, Shail (2003), Against History, Against State: Counterperspectives from the Margins, Columbia University Press, p. 33, ISBN 978-0-231-12730-1, Indeed “Jat” had been a generic term for a peasant in the Punjab.
  10. ^ Bayly, Susan (2001). Caste, Society and Politics in India from the Eighteenth Century to the Modern Age. Cambridge University Press. p. 139. ISBN 9780521798426. For Ibbetson, then, both the Punjab and the northwest frontier regions were open societies where the difference between the ‘Jat’ and the ‘Rajput’ was not a matter of blood or ethnological fact… [but] a fluid representation of status as claimed by men of power.
  11. ^ Rao, Aparna (1986). “Peripatetic Minorities in Afghanistan: Image and Identity”. In Orywal, Erwin (ed.). Die ethnischen Gruppen Afghanistans. Wiesbaden: L. Reichert. pp. 254–83. ISBN 3-88226-360-1.

Add Jat Mahasabha and Jat Gazette in see also section.

Also add it as a separate section in “culture and society” section.[1][2]

2601:84:8501:8150:311A:EFDD:E86F:BF58 (talk) 23:51, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: The articles are not directly related to this one. x2step (lets talk 💌) 06:05, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But it is about organizations of jats, isnt it? The World Jat Aryan Foundation is already there. Otherwise why are we include “Meo” or “Jati” which is definitely not related? Thanks @X2step 2601:84:8501:8150:28AE:77A9:815B:F82B (talk) 19:39, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Muslim Jat Nawab of Rampur State, Faizullah Khan

Add image of Rohilla Nawab Faizullah Khan[1][2] under Muslim Jat history section.

128.6.147.55 (talk) 14:08, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think we have adequate images in this article already, and this image is also blurry. Hope you understand TheSlumPanda (talk) 14:55, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok but there are no image of Muslim Jats at all here. It would be better to show at least one depiction, even if we have to replace an image of a Hindu or Sikh Jat then. If it just issue of blurry picture, then maybe add image of Rampur Raza Library which was made by Rohilla dynasty Muslim Jats. 2601:84:8501:8150:2188:4952:208A:6C7B (talk) 02:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

also I am the same guy who made the request, I don’t know why it gave me a new ip. 2601:84:8501:8150:2188:4952:208A:6C7B (talk) 02:12, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This article is about Jat peoples and it would be better to add the image of Rampur Raza Library in article of Faizullah Khan. If you found any clear image on Wiki then feel free to let us know here. Thanks. TheSlumPanda (talk) 08:45, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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