Talk:List of Renee Good protests: Difference between revisions

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:::::::Alright, that’s a fair point then that “important to include if possible” is not something I should have said. {{self-trout}} [[User:Alexandraaaacs1989|Alexandraaaacs1989]] ([[User talk:Alexandraaaacs1989|talk]]) 13:47, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

::::::::I was mostly trying to say that there will probably be [[WP:RS]] sources in the future about this and that we should keep an eye on it is all, but you raised an important point so thank you for correcting. [[User:Alexandraaaacs1989|Alexandraaaacs1989]] ([[User talk:Alexandraaaacs1989|talk]]) 13:48, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

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– CNC (talk) 19:48, 8 January 2026 (UTC)

@JaxsonR @Kepler-1229b The main article is under 2000 words. All the information here can fit at Killing of Renee Good#Protests without trouble, where it is more accessible Placeholderer (talk) 18:48, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The current ‘protests’ section is just a list of cities. JaxsonR (talk) 18:51, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

If stuff can be added to that section, the solution is to add it there, not start a new article and leave out relevant information from the section in question Placeholderer (talk) 18:54, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I have drafitified for now, should there be more content to justify a split it can be moved back to mainspace. For now it is best to work on it in draftspace until there is something more substantial. CNC (talk) 19:15, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I have accidentally made a new page because I was in the process of editing. Ill remove this after copy and pasting my info. JaxsonR (talk) 19:16, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@JaxsonR why have you just recreated it? CNC (talk) 19:23, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Im pretty sure that would fall under WP:CSD. Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:27, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It wouldn’t no, it’d fall under edit warring and a noticeboard. CNC (talk) 19:29, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Okay yeah I thought it could be quickly resolved. I would take it there then as disruption. Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:31, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve thrown it into NPR discord instead. CNC (talk) 19:35, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It was an accident. I was in the middle of an edit. JaxsonR (talk) 19:38, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Just realised I missed your reply about accidentally recreating; apologies for that. CNC (talk) 20:50, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@CommunityNotesContributor @Knowledgekid87 Not sure if you saw my reply but it was an accident. Feel free to delete/draft whatever needs to be done. JaxsonR (talk) 20:14, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

OK have moved this version back to draftspace. CNC (talk) 20:24, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I tried suggesting a draft first and put a redirect in place which was undone. I’m glad @CommunityNotesContributor: moved this page to draft as it was an easy WP:AfD target. – Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:18, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion, it didn’t go unnoticed. CNC (talk) 19:20, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that this can be folded into the main Killing of Renee Good article. Here, the article is preceding any thing or event of encyclopedic value that might justify its existence. Dr Fell (talk) 20:59, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Anything of worth here can be summaeized and put into the main article. — The Anome (talk) 21:50, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There have been more than enough protests at this point to justify this article’s creation. In NYC alone there’s been 2 so far and 1 more tonight, which I partially detailed in Operation Salvo if anyone wants to glance at the sourcing and copy the relevant bits over. So I vote in favor of creating this article. My hands are tied right now but I can help contribute to the draft in a few hours. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 21:49, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

To start, could we not simply use the existing sourcing in the protests section of the main Renee Good article and expand the section to go into greater depth for notable details related to each city’s protest? Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 21:51, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think this would be better as a list article? Based on the content so far, that might be a better direction to go in. CNC (talk) 21:51, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think that would be a great idea. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 21:55, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but lets put the list in this article. JaxsonR (talk) 21:57, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Added some videos/images. They’re a bit ugly though. If there’s a better way to format them or if we should use a gallery instead let me know and I’ll get on it! Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 13:32, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Let’s all just take a break for a day or two, then we’ll decide whether or not the protests really need a separate article afterwards. ~2025-33494-05 (talk) 22:18, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There’s nothing wrong with having this in draft space, if for no other reason than to collect relevant coverage, but it’s premature to think of this as a mainspace article. Maybe these protests will have legs, maybe they won’t. But I don’t think there’s any way for people to know at this point in time. Guettarda (talk) 23:14, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. ~2025-33494-05 (talk) 00:23, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Many protests, along with de-facto investigative work has been seen online, such as the name of the ICE agent being found before new sources released it. UnknownPotatos (talk) 21:11, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

feel free to add it. JaxsonR (talk) 21:14, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@JaxsonR I saw that you removed my edit regarding the usage of Instagram as a primary source for video. As a new use, I would love to learn more from you and others about what the thought process is as to why video on these platforms does not count. In my opinion the usage of a platform hosting first person video would be a useful source. Further dissertation on this source in the video would likely make it unreliable, but straight footage of the type used I would defer. I would love to understand and learn from your reasoning.

On another note, WP:RS states “For official accounts from celebrities and organizations on social media, see the section about self-published sources below”, which then outlines requirements for those. Two out of the three sources were official, one being the ussocialdems, and one being a page from a twin cities area organization, and so I would love to learn about acceptance of those.

Overall, I would like to state that I am not protesting, and don’t mind the removal, I would just love to learn from it and understand more deeply why the usage of such statements is frowned upon. UnknownPotatos (talk) 21:40, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

WP:INSTAGRAM explains this pretty well. If it posted by a News Source that is known to be reliable then you can use it. JaxsonR (talk) 21:42, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Ok yea that makes more sense thank you UnknownPotatos (talk) 21:55, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve had some issues with Instagram sourcing in the past. My rule of thumb based on past debate is if an organization is posting about itself/not about anything external (like an activist group saying “our demands are X Y and Z”) we can report what they said about themselves since they are the ultimate authorities on what they believe. But if it’s about the protest itself or something material, you have to use secondary sourcing because the Instagram account is a biased source. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 21:59, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

BBC is reporting on the second day of protests. Article should just be moved to the main space because this is getting bigger and bigger. JaxsonR (talk) 15:07, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexandraaaacs1989 @CommunityNotesContributor @Knowledgekid87 JaxsonR (talk) 15:12, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

100% agree. Let’s make it happen ASAP. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 15:26, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Can we get Arizona section filled in, or move references to talk page? CNC (talk) 15:28, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll work on that right now Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 15:32, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

ill move it. JaxsonR (talk) 15:34, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

(Arizona sources) JaxsonR (talk) 15:34, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Support moving to List of Renée Good protests as more consistent naming convention for such topics (as a list-class article). I think the name is more concise, someone also suggested this on the discord. Thanks for the ping. CNC (talk) 15:27, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll move it right now, that seems uncontroversial. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 15:32, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

He means as a mainspace article, so I’ll go ahead with that. JaxsonR (talk) 15:37, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

This list should only cover the Minnesota protests per Axios: [1]. Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:48, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn’t really change much it just explains why the agencies are different. JaxsonR (talk) 23:42, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t agree, I think the protests are in response to a lot of issues simultaneously rather than just one and that we shouldn’t be too semantical when it comes to classifying which types of protests that are at least partially over Renee Good belong on this list. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 14:27, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] JaxsonR (talk) 15:35, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it ordered by state and not by date? Seems cluttered. Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 18:26, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Similar to other layouts as it’s a list article, so it’s listing by state. It’s under the assumption it will last long enough for that to make the most sense. If not, then can probably just be converted into a timeline article. The oversectioning of dates should be removed realistically and converted into prose though for time being. CNC (talk) 18:40, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t know about convention, and I know its not alphabetical, but I think it would be important to list the Minnesota protests at the top, given the incident location. Also what is the plan if a state protests more than once in the same day? UnknownPotatos (talk) 21:10, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Organised by county/state/city is the convention per List of George Floyd protests, List of pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in 2024 and others, again assuming there is enough coverage to justify that. If not then a timeline format certainly makes more sense similar to other protest articles. I also think it’s too early to tell if this will develop beyond a list class and whether it will become Renée Good protests with significant prose (like George Floyd protests) or not. CNC (talk) 21:40, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I like the infobox and do not want to omit information from it. My main question is if we have any options to make the text wrapping less visually disruptive given how there’s three columns. Maybe we could trim extra information down and incorporate lots of Template:efn templates. Dare to Struggle (New Mexico chapter) is a good example – we could just do Dare to Struggle and efn the New Mexico chapter section. Same with PSL (several branches), (most notably Oregon), and other examples. United States Federal Protective Service could be trimmed to Federal Protective Service and likewise with CBP. The Portland Police Bureau having Rapid Response Team, Dialogue Liaison Officers, Mobile Field Forces, and Sound Truck personnel could be efn’d under the police bureau. Alternatively, we could use Template:Hidden begin and Template:Hidden end to dropdown by state or by police department.

Thoughts on these changes? Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 15:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Working on an upgrade at User:Alexandraaaacs1989/Sandbox2 Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 16:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think the items in the infobox columns should be alphabetized? They aren’t right now, but I wasn’t sure if there was some other organizational method I was missing. Ktimene (talk) 08:24, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I’m pretty sure the column items are already alphabetical, no? Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 12:50, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

They used to be, but it got switched around for some reason. I just fixed it. Ktimene (talk) 20:33, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage of this incident comes predominantly from pretty bad sources. That said, this seems to have actually happened according to reporting. So I added this:

JFeed and Fox News reported that a video was uploaded to X^[1] of protesters chanting slogans including “Kristi Noem will hang!” and “Save a life, kill an ICE!”^[2]^[3]

If the sourcing isn’t sufficient for Wikipedia even with attribution and an X video linked, please let me know and we can discuss. Leaving this here because it’s a controversial addition and I’m not 100% confident it’s issue free. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 15:55, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Would WP:FOXNEWSPOLITICS apply here? Xtnova (talk) 20:47, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve removed this addition per WP:FOXNEWSPOLITICS and WP:RSPTWITTER, as well as JFeed being of dubious reliability. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 23:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you guys these sources are awful. But if it happened, I think we can agree it would be important to include if possible. The event has two main things we need to establish for inclusion: notability and reliability.

The event was posted by the White House Instagram account as pro-ICE propaganda. After glancing online there seems to be lots of discussion around the event on online discussion forms if you look up “Kristi Noem will hang chant”. Secondary coverage has come from far-right sources (WP:FOXNEWS [2], WP:BREITBART (can’t post a link due to the site being blacklisted), and now WP:DAILYMAIL [3] and WP:DAILYWIRE [4]).

Even though these sources are all very bad, they confirm it is being talked about. But these do not confer notability, since WP:NEXIST says Notability requires only that suitable independent, reliable sources exist in the real world.

However, the event clearly seems to have happened. It was it was documented in multiple videos that were posted on WP:RSPTWITTER [5] (originally from Freedom News TV, which yes is dubious) and WP:REDDIT [6]. These videos are consistent with one another and were taken from different angles which implies they have not been edited and that the event probably happened.

So yes I think I agree with your conclusion that for now we should not include the event in the article since there’s no reliable secondary coverage, but because it seems to have actually happened, we should keep our eye out for WP:RS articles talking about it in the near-future and as soon as one of those sources pops up we should quickly add it back in. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 10:03, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

No if noone covered it then it’s WP:UNDUE to include it whatever editors personal opinions of its alleged importance. Nil Einne (talk) 11:13, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Did you even read what I said? I said we should not include it until we have WP:RS sources, in which case it would be WP:DUE. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 11:28, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

You said I agree with you guys these sources are awful. But if it happened, I think we can agree it would be important to include if possible which is a fundamental misunderstanding of Wikipedia. The event isn’t “important to include if possible” just because it happened nor because some editors feel it should be. While something has to have happened to merit inclusion, that doesn’t mean it’s automatically important to include. It isn’t even important to include just because it’s covered in one or two RS. Editors personal opinions on the importance of certain events are also not generally particularly relevant. Instead decisions to include should be guided by our policies and guidelines which aren’t simply governed by “if it happened” but instead the level and depth of coverage in reliable secondary sources. There are a large number of things which happened which will never be included in our articles, some of which are covered in reliable secondary sources. The fact that you later partly contradicted yourself proves the misunderstanding on your part so it very important to address your fundamental misunderstanding. Nil Einne (talk) 13:23, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, that’s a fair point then that “important to include if possible” is not something I should have said.

Self-trout Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 13:47, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I was mostly trying to say that there will probably be WP:RS sources in the future about this and that we should keep an eye on it is all, but you raised an important point so thank you for correcting. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 13:48, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

List of Renee Good protests → 2026 ICE shooting protests due to the growth of the protests to include Portland. Possible other names are bellow, I would love to hear thoughts.

This name seems more fitting given the Portland incident, and that this page seems to have become a bit more than a simple list. Additionally, I am not sure if even that name would be to narrow and it should be moved to 2026 ICE reform protests or 2026 ICE abolishment protests depending on which title is more politically correct. Are there any other name suggestions or feedback as long as they fall under WP:NPOV. Can someone also check that my ideas for name fall under NPOV? I do personally think that this page needs to move, since the protests have grown beyond Renée Good, and if we do not change the name we must keep an eye on Talk:Killing of Renee Good#Requested move 10 January 2026 for their final decision regarding the spelling of Renée Good. UnknownPotatos (talk) 21:04, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I’m split between saying no to the move entirely and voting in favor of 2026 anti-ICE protests. What do others think? Either seem plausible under WP:COMMONNAME. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 10:12, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Fair, I am not sure what the best option is either, the main difference I see from George Floyd is that those protests only list one main inciting / triggering incident, while we already list more than one. Not to sure here, since I don’t know enough about he BLM movement and George Floyd, only basing it off of the Wikipedia article. UnknownPotatos (talk) 18:36, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There were lots of triggering incidents before Floyd—he was just the straw that broke the camel’s back, just like Good. Alexandraaaacs1989 (talk) 13:10, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Support moving to Renee Good protests. Imo this title would fit the article better than the current title, especially as the article shapes up to be about these protests rather than merely listing them. I’d favor Renee Good protests over 2026 ICE shooting protests or 2026 anti-ICE protests; while there are multiple incidents that motivate the protests, the killing of Renee Good is the primary inciting incident that sparked them. The 2026 Portland shooting afaik only added fuel to the fire. It’s kind of in the same way that George Floyd was the inciting incident of the George Floyd protests, but it wasn’t the only motivating incident (there was also the killing of Breonna Taylor, for instance). So I think we should follow precedent here. 2026 ICE shooting protests or 2026 anti-ICE protests are better than the current title “List of Renee Good protests”, though. Hackquantumcpp (talk) 00:18, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I would be in support of this as well, also to make it very clear, I am not trying to discredit any other people involved in the BLM movement or George Floyd protests, mainly just pointing out that on that wiki most others are footnotes or short listed mentions, while here last I checked we are giving Portland equal merit in the “Background” section. I would also agree with the title Renee Good protests, due to the diversification of the article beyond a list. UnknownPotatos (talk) 05:56, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not sure it makes sense to include the people shot in the Portland shooting to the injuries for this article. I haven’t seen evidence that they were involved with the protests, just that they were targeted by ICE the day after the killing of Good. However, it may be tedious, but we could comb through the article for injuries directly related to the protests and tally those. I remember seeing at least 2 reported injuries in protests I personally added to the article. Ktimene (talk) 00:37, 14 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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