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There is a mentioning of a song played at Glasto in 1924. The year stated must be wrong. 80.249.26.227 (talk) 23:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not sure if this is okay. In which case it may (should) be rephrased and changed, and things added and removed, based on any number of other sources, until it will be okay. The article I’m using is https://essentiels.bnf.fr/fr/litterature/moyen-age-1/d7bd41ad-1f27-4e9b-aeaa-bd0afeb3adf0-tristan-et-iseut/article/9fa95dbd-2c86-48aa-8713-13d995a42334-tristan-beroul-et-celui-thomas I think this should be considered only a very preliminary fundament to work with.

I’ve also done similarly at Prose Tristan (a different BnF article, is in the refs).

UPDATE: I resolved the issue by turning it into quotes (most of it). 94.246.147.217 (talk) 16:21, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tristan and Iseult → Tristan and IsoldeTristan and Isolde – I found the current title a bit weird, so I checked the n-gram and see that “..and Isolde” is 5x more frequent. Also, Merriam-Webster defines “Iseult” as “Isolde” 🙂 —Altenmann >talk 22:52, 12 January 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 00:20, 20 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

• Support: I support renaming the romance’s title to “Tristan and Isolde”. Among others, I have also checked several online sources, and everything indicates that “Tristan and Isolde” is significantly more commonly used.

(LaMarmora1854 (talk) 10:09, 20 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. By the way, shoulldn’t the title be in italic? {{italic title}}? —Altenmann >talk 22:57, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

• Wouldn’t many of the instances of “Tristan and Isolde” be references to Wagner’s opera? How would we separate those from references to the legend? There are the individual article titles Tristan and Iseult to consider. Merriam-Webster defines “Iseult” as “Isolde”, but it defines “Tristan” as “Tristram”. Ham II (talk) 08:03, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  In my native language it is Izolda. The same is in nearly all interwikis with notable exception of frwiki (as expected) and a couple more, frahkophohe or frankoinherited. —Altenmann >talk 09:20, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  Tristan and Isolde redirects to this article, not the Wagner opera. The latter should probably be at Tristan and Isolde (opera), not its current title, but that’s a different discussion altogether. 162 etc. (talk) 18:42, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  Right, in most other wikis we have lake this: ro:Tristan și Isolda (operă). —Altenmann >talk 20:08, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  On the Romanian Wikipedia (the one in your example), the norm seems to be for the the titles of Wagner’s operas to be given in Romanian, whereas on the English Wikipedia none of their titles are translated into English. Ham II (talk) 06:56, 20 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  On JSTOR, a search for “Tristan Isolde” brings up, on the first page, 16 results about Wagner’s opera, 5 about Wagner’s medieval source Gottfried von Strassburg, 3 about James Joyce‘s Finnegans Wake, 1 about an unfinished prose epic of 1840 by Karl Immermann, and apparently only two about the Arthurian legend in other contexts. A search for “Tristan Iseult” brings up a wider range of manifestations of the legend. Ham II (talk) 06:56, 20 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

• EB11 in s:1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Tristan used the name Iseult, however modern Britannica say https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tristan-and-Isolde . —Altenmann >talk 09:20, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Per WP:COMMONNAME. Tristan und Isolde can remain where it is per WP:SMALLDETAILS, though it should be linked to by a hatnote. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:47, 20 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]