Talk:Tropical Storm Wipha (2025): Difference between revisions

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Hello guys, I want to discuss the English accent and the date format to follow the Manual of Style correctly.

I’ve noticed that, as already discussed in Talk:Typhoon Podul, in most of the articles about Western Pacific storms and typhoon seasons, the template {{Use mdy dates}} without a specific English accent template is preferred. As a result, I want to change the date and English accent styles in this article to that. Is everyone OK with that? EmperorChesser (talk) 13:11, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

​Looking at the project-specific advice page Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Style I see nothing specific about dmy vs. mdy. The examples given are in mdy format.Looking through all pages in the previous 2024 Pacific typhoon season, one single article, the GA Effects of Typhoon Yagi in Vietnam uses dmy per MOS:DATETIES.All other articles in the category:

The Use English templates are only used in this article, when the older now blocked IP address of the current 218.250.200.1 added it to this article. Effects of Typhoon Yagi in Vietnam uses British English because it focuses in Vietnam, where BrE is used in the country’s primary education. I have a strong belief that the dmy format in this article doesn’t mean anything; since it does not focus on a specific country, the widely mdy should be adopted. And yes, there are no rules for which date format are used in these articles, but in my POV, we should change this to mdy to keep everything unified. So Sam, as long as you think it’s OK, let’s change it. EmperorChesser (talk) 11:33, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It’s  done. Sam Sailor 11:43, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! EmperorChesser (talk) 11:51, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to change spellings like centre to center, organised to organized, northwestwards to northwestward, favourable to favorable, … while keeping afterwards and towards like normal. That’s because it’s how the spellings appear in 2025 Pacific typhoon season. Also, I want to change the spellings and date formats in Tropical Storm Lingling (2025), Draft:Typhoon Kajiki (2025) and future related articles to keep consistency. Is that OK? EmperorChesser (talk) 11:54, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. I did a bit of CE, could you do the rest? Thanks, Sam Sailor 12:07, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Surely! Thank you so much. EmperorChesser (talk) 12:33, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sam Sailor: Wait, what did you mean by um… CE? And I can change spellings and date formats for the other articles mentioned above right? EmperorChesser (talk) 12:34, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 EmperorChesser:CE means WP:CE = copy editing. More fancy WP-shortcuts are found at the WP-shortcut WP:ABC. 🙂 Sam Sailor 20:30, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This particular article about Wipha has all along evolved with most of the article following Commonwealth spellings. Per the evolve principle these spellings shall be retained. If there is no other valid reasons the recent changes will be reverted. 124.217.188.3 (talk) 13:39, 28 August 2025 (UTC) — Striking comment by block evading user. Sam Sailor 06:36, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For a span of several weeks, this article stayed at the current spelling and nothing happened. What do you mean? EmperorChesser (talk) 13:42, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It’s doubtful whether there is indeed such a “tradition”. Only four countries including territories in this basin which contribute international names to the storms got English as their official language or one of their official languages. Two of them follow Commonwealth spellings (Hong Kong and Malaysia), and the two others American (the Philippines and the United States). Others, e.g., Macau and Vietnam, got a preference for Commonwealth spellings. How an entry ends up is all about users’ preferences through the evolution of the entry, and where the storm has struck or substantially affected. Wipha for instance first affected Hong Kong and Macau badly. The very first version when the article was converted from a section redirect naturally followed Commonwealth spellings. 124.217.188.3 (talk) 14:00, 28 August 2025 (UTC) — Striking comment by block evading user. Sam Sailor 06:36, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How about Typhoon Podul? It affected Taiwan, where AmE is dominant, and also prompted Hong Kong and Macau to raise warnings, where BrE is dominant. EmperorChesser (talk) 14:17, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Or, well, let’s take Tropical Storm Wutip. It affected Vietnam by dropping torrential rain in North Central Vietnam, yet it didn’t fully use Commonwealth spellings. I have not even touched the date format template yet. EmperorChesser (talk) 14:21, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATED: Well, I guess using Commonwealth spelling is reasonable for this article. Just don’t change the date formats or so. EmperorChesser (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In most countries where Commonwealth spellings are followed the dmy style is the standard too. 124.217.188.3 (talk) 14:43, 28 August 2025 (UTC) — Striking comment by block evading user. Sam Sailor 06:36, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you guys changed it so… we’ll keep it like that. EmperorChesser (talk) 11:33, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just reviewed some articles such as Typhoon Damrey (2017). It affected Vietnam more than it did in the Philippines, and Vietnam prefers BrE spellings right? What are your thoughts on this? EmperorChesser (talk) 11:43, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Florida Fan2026, Yamla, Favonian, and 2425-Usagi: I notice that over the last few days there has been an edit war, over exactly how many deaths Wipha was responsible for in the Philippines caused by me removing 40 deaths from the total. I removed these deaths on Thursday as PAGASA and the Philippine National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council (NDRRMC) state that Crising, Dante and Emong along with the southwest monsoon were jointly responsible for 34 deaths not 40. @2425-Usagi: subsequently tried to readd the 40 to the season effects section to the Pacific Typhoon Season with the edit summary: “Deaths for Crising Dante Emong should be counted in Wipha (Crising) as it was the most significant of the storms.” I reverted this as soon as I saw it, since it is original research for us to attribute 40 deaths to Wipha (Crising) just because it was the most significant system. Today I have removed the Philippine totals and added a note to say that they were combined by the NDRMMC. Any problems? Jason Rees (talk) 10:29, 4 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Where should the damages for these 3 storms be accounted for? – Only in the total sum? 2425-Usagi (talk) 10:40, 4 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@2425-Usagi: If you mean on the Season effects chart that we are both working on: then yes and the same will have to apply for Mitag (Mirasol), Ragasa (Nando) and Bualoi (Opong). If you mean on the specific storm articles, then all we can do is just mention the deaths/damages in prose, but cannot apply them to the total in the infobox, unless we combine the articles, in a similar way to Cyclones Judy and Kevin.Jason Rees (talk) 11:02, 4 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]