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My nickname is a Cyrillic projection of a Greek: Βικιδημος portmanteau, something along the lines of Greek: Νικόδημος (“victorious people”, cf. Nicodemus). It is intended to mean “[of] wikipeople”. If you have hard time finding Cyrillics on your keyboard, feel free to address me as Wikidemus or Wikidim (any other reasonable transliteration is OK, too).

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Did you search the page for “autochthonous”?

The word was part of the article before I formed it into a link to help those unfamiliar with the vocabulary. Of course, I only did this to one occurrence.

Tc 13 17 19 (talk) 23:57, 9 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Dear colleague, I assume that we are discussing this edit of mine. In this case, the problem was with the target (as indicated in the comment): the link was pointing to WP:disambiguation (DAB) “Autochthon” with multiple meanings, none of which fit the intended sense (“manufactured in the particular area”). So, there were two issues: (1) the link to a DAB should be preplaced by a particular meaning and (2) the intended meaning was missing. Therefore, the link was not useful: a reader who would not know the meaning of the word will get no help from following the link. I preferred to replace the wording to a simpler one. But leaving the word unlinked was an equally valid option, as the reader could either infer the correct option or use a dictionary. Sincerely, Викидим (talk) 05:10, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Викидим,

You assume correctly. I formed the link because it was (and still is) helpful. I didn’t want to change the word used as it was an apt choice. The WP:DAB covers several different situations, and autochthonous leads to the broad-concept of Indigenism. None of the articles on autochthon talk about indigenous cultural objects, but the broad-concept is clear, making the link helpful.

It is incorrect to say “with multiple meanings” as there is one over-arching conceptual meaning.

It is incorrect to say “manufactured in the particular area” as this is one small aspect of an indigenous cultural object.

• inspiration
• design
• creation
• use
• tradition
• development
• inspiration of other ico’s

Your two issues are also incorrect;

• … should be preplaced[sic] … Wp:D does not mandate the deletion of disambiguation links
  Instead WP:D states ″In this situation there must be a way for the reader to navigate quickly from the page that first appears to any of the other possible desired articles.″
• the intended meaning was missing. the intended meaning was the over-arching concept – only the specific was missing.
  • The link was useful
  • Any reader would get help from following the link

Leaving the word unlinked was not an equally valid option, as this removes the required navigation.
The link leads the reader to the concept, with several articles illustrating that concept in the particular.
Also, it has three links to a wiktionary*

NB * (other dictionaries are available)

Summary:

• Your assumption was correct
• Your dumbing-down of the original wording was misguided
• Your failure to treat similar occurrences of the word consistently was an oversight
• Your sincerity is appreciated, but I’d be more appreciative of your getting more than one thing correct.

One question has been left unanswered …

Did you search the page for “autochthonous”?

Tc 13 17 19 (talk) 22:15, 10 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Dear colleague, (1) None of the articles on autochthon talk about indigenous cultural objects is precisely my point: the link was not very useful (2) My change of the word conforms to MOS:INTRO: avoid difficult-to-understand terminology (3) Did you search the page for “autochthonous”? – yes. Викидим (talk) 03:24, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Then why didn’t you change the second occurrence too? Tc 13 17 19 (talk) 05:24, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

The second use was not in the lead. Викидим (talk) 06:28, 11 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]