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Hello. This edit appears to be a topic ban violation broadly construed, as it links from Journal of Genocide Research to A. Dirk Moses, where both articles touch on ARBPIA. Please self revert. Nehushtani (talk) 07:43, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) @Nehushtani: That’s not how it works. If the article is wholly about ARBPIA, then any edit to it falls under the ban. If the article isn’t, then the ban covers edits that substantively pertain to ARBPIA. Journal of Genocide Research is not wholly about ARBPIA, and wikilinking an existing reference to A. Dirk Moses does not constitute any substantive reference to ARBPIA, so there is no violation here. — Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 10:25, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for explaining this. Sorry I misunderstood. Nehushtani (talk) 11:09, 10 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have just seen an edit by @Iskandar323 in which the term Land of Israel was removed and replaced with Historic Palestine (here). Both of these expressions are politically charged modern terms, and in the case of “Historic Palestine,” the term is defined directly in relation to the pre-Israel borders of Mandatory Palestine (the term Historic Palestine in itself is a political statement regarding Israel, people historically would have wanted to refer to this area would use just ‘Palestine’.). This edit clearly touches on current Israel-Palestine national narratives. I see that this happened just a short time after this editor edited El Sayyid Nosair, the assassin of Israeli politician Meir Kahane. Tagging @Tamzin and @ScottishFinnishRadish who I have seen dealing with previous edits from Iskandar323. BlookyNapsta (talk) 07:36, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Land of Israel is a biblical/religious term that is not generally used in secular histories and is also not the focus in the sources here. It’s also a recent addition. Here is the version from a year ago. ‘Historic Palestine’ appears to have been redirected at some point recently, but the intended target there, and the original target was Palestine (region). I have corrected that now. I am assuming I am allowed to link to the geographical region, which is referenced extensively back to Greek and Roman times. If I am wrong about this and an admin tells me as much then I will revert and seek further clarification on this, because even topics from millenia ago occasionally need geographical signposting, and it would be something of an impediment if the above is not allowed. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:09, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There’s this discussion going on Talk:Hamas#Motivation for edit lead section (‘1967 borders’) date 21Nov2025 where I’ve mentioned your name. I could have alerted you earlier about it, but better late than never, I suppose. —Corriebertus (talk) 19:28, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I don’ consider any appeals via email unless there is a privacy or similar concern. Please keep any discussion here. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:54, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well I won’t waste your time with a reprint – perhaps you can clarify what you are broadly construing to be the problem here, because these are subjective parameters, and I need to understand your thinking in order to adequately understand the problem. Iskandar323 (talk) 16:24, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The name of the region, both current and historical, is a point of contention in the Arab/Israel conflict, so it definitely falls under WP:ARBPIA. The reason you didn’t get a further warning is that you were already given a logged warning for an earlier violation. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:38, 26 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, the Talk:Hellenistic_Palestine#Duplicative_article section starting by sockmaster Tombah includes 2 non-EC accounts participating in a consensus forming discussion. I added the ArbCom Arab-Israeli enforcement template. Sean.hoyland (talk) 10:08, 27 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I may have to ask you for some further clarity on that down the line, but for the meantime, would you be open to considering modifying the block to something less wholly restrictive? 99% of my current activities generate zero heat, but it is the 99% that I am now being restricted from working on. Most pertinently, there are several unrelated ongoing discussions that I have input on but am currently unable to participate in – so I wonder if a modification to a mainspace-only block is a thing that exists and could work? Any other alternative would also be welcome. I am appealing to your clemency here – perhaps in recognition that my wandering into the grey twice in nine months isn’t really much an indication of malicious intent for the project. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:33, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish what do you think about the “twice in nine months” claim and request for clemency? Jay 💬 10:03, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There have been at least four violations with one coming after a logged warning. I am unconvinced that lifting or modifying the block is the right call.Sean.hoyland, that section hasn’t been edited in a year so there’s really not much to be done now. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:56, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SFR: You can draw what conclusions you like, but I obviously have no motive to violate the TBAN, and earlier this year, when I was invited by Doug Weller to edit something that I considered risky and I’m sure you would consider covered, I firmly declined. In today’s episode, I was quite clear in the thread that brought you here that I did not believe the material was covered, due to the extremely archaic nature of the topic. You clearly have a different interpretation of the scope of the CTOP insomuch as it pertains to names, even in the absence of a template. There is still much that I need to clarify on this, per WP:BANEX, because the answers I have so far do not make it clear. I will prepare questions. Also, do you agree with Sean’s templating of the whole page, and if so, why, or should it be for only part of the page? Iskandar323 (talk) 16:43, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldnt it be prudent to just avoid anything remotely related to the topic rather than test the line? ← Metallurgist (talk) 05:03, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Metallurgist: How about you mind your own business? But yes, I do need clarity from @SFR as to what he thinks is or is not covered in Roman Palestine, and, most specifically, whether I can respond to the community time-wasting deletion request for that page. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:23, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need to be rude. I am trying to help you avoid further sanctions. If I were in your position, I would just focus elsewhere to be safe. As for the AFD, I think it would be reasonable to permit your defense below or there, but I leave that to SFR. And its not personal, I found it awhile ago and just got around to proposing it. ← Metallurgist (talk) 06:32, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Metallurgist: If you nominate a page for deletion when it has numerous academic sources and further reading entries clearly referencing a term and rendering it notable, 9 times out of 10 that discussion is going to be a pointless timesink. Also, a content fork is where a pair of articles duplicate each other’s scope. If a page is said to overlap with multiple other pages, that is not a fork, but something different, such as, say, an article about a period versus that of polities during that period. And if confusion over what constitutes a fork underpins a deletion discussion then there is in fact no rationale for deletion. In such instances, sensible editors with the best interests of the community in mind would generally be inclined to withdraw their nominations. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:05, 13 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I haven’t (and won’t in the immediate future) had time to review the article for everything that might fall under your topic ban, but if you’re concerned about what led to your block you should steer clear of getting into disputes over the naming of the region as it relates to Israel, Palestine, Arabs, and Jews. For instance, don’t remove Judea and add Palestine. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:33, 14 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SFR So if it’s solely a naming thing for you, however construed, then edits on dates etc. are OK then? Iskandar323 (talk) 08:38, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t see an issue with that edit, but that doesn’t apply to all edits on dates, broadly speaking. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:51, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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