: I’d like to echo this, and welcome you to Wikipedia! [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 17:16, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
: I’d like to echo this, and welcome you to Wikipedia! [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 17:16, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! 🙂 [[User:Strongwranglers|Strongwranglers]] ([[User talk:Strongwranglers#top|talk]]) 17:28, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
::Thank you! 🙂 [[User:Strongwranglers|Strongwranglers]] ([[User talk:Strongwranglers#top|talk]]) 17:28, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
== Civility and Assuming good faith ==
Hello, Strongwranglers, and once again, welcome! I have been monitoring the discussions at [[Talk:Hamburger]] and occasionally participating, and I wanted to discuss an issue that arose there with you, namely your tone in discussing various topics with other editors. Your Talk page is the proper venue to talk about this; it would be out of bounds at Talk:Hamburger, because that page is reserved exclusively for discussions about how to improve the article [[Hamburger]].
So let me start by talking about a couple of core Wikipedia [[WP:PG|policies and guidelines]], namely, [[WP:Civility]] (a [[WP:Behavioral policies|Wikipedia behavioral policy]]) and [[WP:Assume good faith]] (a [[WP:Behavioral guidelines|Wikipedia behavioral guideline]]). In a nutshell, the Civility policy says that:
: {{xt|editors should always treat each other with consideration and respect}}, and they {{xt|should focus on improving the encyclopedia while maintaining a pleasant editing environment by behaving politely, calmly and reasonably, even during heated debates}}.
On more than one occasion at [[Talk:Hamburger]], you have commented dismissively about other editors’ contributions, accused them of editing in bad faith, or explicitly challenged their right to comment at all:
{{cot|bg=khaki|indent=0.8em|some illustrative quotations excerpted from [[Talk:Hamburger]]}}
* {{xt!|1=Who are you, again? Have you ever contributed to this article? If not, why are you here? <!–13:15, 8 Sept–> ([[Special:Diff/1310241312|”diff”]])}}
* {{xt!|1=Honestly I find this line of argumentation to be very unconvincing: just say that you need to push a non-neutral point of view and have done with it.<!–14:16, 8 Sept–> ([[Special:Diff/1310249196|”diff”]])}}
* {{xt!|1=Everything you’re saying to me SCREAMS that.<br />”no, we can’t take out this one super special section that I personally like because…”<br />Because why, again?<!–14:16, 8 Sept–> ([[Special:Diff/1310249196|”diff”]])}}
* {{xt!|You -really- want there to be a section for Veggie Burger, and my guess is that you will have a big argumentative fight over this even though it’s clearly not a kind of burger.<br />You can simply settle this by trying to feed one to a dog and seeing what it goes for.<!–12:52, 15 Sept–> ([[Special:Diff/1311497557|”diff”]])}}
* {{xt!|It’s a crap article. Makes no sense, talks about too many topics and can’t specify what it means.<br />Much like every other editor I am seeing talk about this topic.<!–11:18, 17 Sept–> ([[Special:Diff/1311921355|”diff”]])}}
* {{xt!|You’re not saying that to benefit the article but rather your personal feelings.<br />You’re ensuring the article stays in a crap/janky state because that’s preferable to you.<!–11:20, 17 Sept–> ([[Special:Diff/1311874871|”diff”]])}}
* {{xt!|You aren’t here to have a serious discussion but rather to sow discord for your own amusement.<!–17:06, 17 Sept–> ([[Special:Diff/1311921355|”diff”]])}}
{{cob}}
None of these comments are appropriate or acceptable at an article talk page, per the [[WP:TALK]] guideline, and many of them violate [[WP:CONDUCT|behavioral policies or guidelines]], notably [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:AGF]]. Comments of this nature must stop, as they will get you into trouble if they continue.
You are still a new editor here, and perhaps you came from a social media background where a pugnacious approach and [[WP:BATTLEGROUND|in-your-face, combative tactics]] are common, but that is not how it works here. We are all volunteer editors, all working towards the [[WP:AIM|same goal]], which is to build a [[WP:ENC|free, neutral encyclopedia]]. We rely on collaboration and [[WP:CONS|consensus]] among our fellow editors to achieve that goal. Please consider this a reality check and a reset point: take a look around at the culture here, and please modify your behavior to be more collaborative, less combative, and [[WP:AGF|trust that other volunteers]] are [[WP:HERE|here for the same reason]] you are: to improve the encyclopedia. I hope you take these comments in the spirit in which they are intended, which is to keep you on the path to becoming a good and productive editor, and to highlight some of the pitfalls that some editors stumble into so you can avoid them. Please feel free to contact me on my Talk page anytime, or check out the [[Wikipedia:Teahouse]] for any questions about editing Wikipedia. Thanks, [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 19:11, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
Say what’s on your mind Strongwranglers (talk) 05:43, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
Here’s wishing you a belated welcome to Wikipedia, Strongwranglers! I see that you’ve already been around a while and wanted to thank you for your contributions. Though you seem to have been successful in finding your way around, you may still benefit from following some of the links below, which help editors get the most out of Wikipedia:
If you have questions, ; a volunteer will visit you here shortly!
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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Again, welcome! QuicoleJR (talk) 18:04, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
- I’d like to echo this, and welcome you to Wikipedia! Mathglot (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! 🙂 Strongwranglers (talk) 17:28, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
Hello, Strongwranglers, and once again, welcome! I have been monitoring the discussions at Talk:Hamburger and occasionally participating, and I wanted to discuss an issue that arose there with you, namely your tone in discussing various topics with other editors. Your Talk page is the proper venue to talk about this; it would be out of bounds at Talk:Hamburger, because that page is reserved exclusively for discussions about how to improve the article Hamburger.
So let me start by talking about a couple of core Wikipedia policies and guidelines, namely, WP:Civility (a Wikipedia behavioral policy) and WP:Assume good faith (a Wikipedia behavioral guideline). In a nutshell, the Civility policy says that:
- editors should always treat each other with consideration and respect, and they should focus on improving the encyclopedia while maintaining a pleasant editing environment by behaving politely, calmly and reasonably, even during heated debates.
On more than one occasion at Talk:Hamburger, you have commented dismissively about other editors’ contributions, accused them of editing in bad faith, or explicitly challenged their right to comment at all:
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None of these comments are appropriate or acceptable at an article talk page, per the WP:TALK guideline, and many of them violate behavioral policies or guidelines, notably WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. Comments of this nature must stop, as they will get you into trouble if they continue.
You are still a new editor here, and perhaps you came from a social media background where a pugnacious approach and in-your-face, combative tactics are common, but that is not how it works here. We are all volunteer editors, all working towards the same goal, which is to build a free, neutral encyclopedia. We rely on collaboration and consensus among our fellow editors to achieve that goal. Please consider this a reality check and a reset point: take a look around at the culture here, and please modify your behavior to be more collaborative, less combative, and trust that other volunteers are here for the same reason you are: to improve the encyclopedia. I hope you take these comments in the spirit in which they are intended, which is to keep you on the path to becoming a good and productive editor, and to highlight some of the pitfalls that some editors stumble into so you can avoid them. Please feel free to contact me on my Talk page anytime, or check out the Wikipedia:Teahouse for any questions about editing Wikipedia. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 19:11, 17 September 2025 (UTC)
