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== Question from [[User:Wikieditorial12|Wikieditorial12]] (12:56, 23 October 2025) ==

:”Note: [[User talk:Wikieditorial12|Wikieditorial12]]’s mentor [[User talk:Như Gây Mê|Như Gây Mê]] is away.”

Is there any way a different photo could be uploaded to the wikipedia page “Wyatt Omsberg”? I will link it here – it is an extremely unflattering photo and would be greatly appreciative if it is replaced and removed entirely. –[[User:Wikieditorial12|Wikieditorial12]] ([[User talk:Wikieditorial12|talk]]) 12:56, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:[[Wyatt Omsberg]] [[User:Wikieditorial12|Wikieditorial12]] ([[User talk:Wikieditorial12|talk]]) 12:59, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

I have restored the image, as have several other editors. Please stop removing it. Do you have a personal connection to the subject? – [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 13:56, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

:Yes I do – the subject would like the photo to be removed or replaced with a number of other photos on the internet. [[User:Wikieditorial12|Wikieditorial12]] ([[User talk:Wikieditorial12|talk]]) 12:07, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

== Question from [[User:Discountatime|Discountatime]] (11:34, 25 October 2025) ==

== Question from [[User:Discountatime|Discountatime]] (11:34, 25 October 2025) ==

		zOMG
		I, Hojimachong, hereby award UtherSRG A completely gratuitous zOMG barnstar, for being 110% awesome. Plus 1. —Hojimachongtalk

In line with the recent upgrades to WikiProject Mammals a bulletin board has been created to keep all members up to date with the Project, consider it similar to the Wikipedia Signpost however focused on WikiProject Mammals. I would ask that you add this page to your watchlist in order to get the latest information about WikiProject Mammals. Kind Regards – ZooPro and The Arbiter★★★

I’ve started a discussion at WP:ANI#UtherSRG explaining why I think you no longer can be trusted with advanced permissions. Your input there is welcome. Fram (talk) 15:26, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Roger that. – UtherSRG (talk) 15:58, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@UtherSRG, I’m really heartened by your response to Hammersoft‘s comment in that thread. I do, however, agree with Extraordinary Writ: this is too many missteps, too close to one another, for us to let this thread close without action. I ask that you consider handing in the tools, or running a voluntary WP:RRFA. — asilvering (talk) 02:17, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Asilvering: I don’t suppose this could be allowed to wait until the next election, eh? – UtherSRG (talk) 14:47, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Provided no one certifies a recall petition against you in the next 12 days, it certainly could. My advice would be to avoid making any blocks in the next two weeks, lest someone get itchy fingers. — asilvering (talk) 17:44, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. – UtherSRG (talk) 23:37, 12 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Asilvering: Can you take a look at African pygmy mouse and the IP I reverted. They have a history on this article and I’ve previously blocked them for similar edits. Thanks! – UtherSRG (talk) 14:52, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I lifted that one, it’s just the one IP and we could handle that with blocks if necessary. If they come back I can pblock them from main and see if we can drive them to a talk page. It’s possible they have no idea why their edits keep disappearing. — asilvering (talk) 19:11, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, makes sense. – UtherSRG (talk) 19:22, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I hadn’t checked before, but I’d previously blocked them twice, and they have several warnings. I don’t know that they can be driven to a talk page. – UtherSRG (talk) 19:25, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Part of avoiding bad blocks is doing one’s best to avoid that kind of assumption. — asilvering (talk) 19:58, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So, other than having others do the successive blocks, how does one bring IPs like this into the fold of the community? – UtherSRG (talk) 20:57, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, sometimes we can’t. But in the case of a really stable IP who keeps trying to make the same changes that aren’t obviously vandalism, I want to try to get them into a conversation with them and see if we can’t convert them to at least middling-helpful editors. — asilvering (talk) 21:14, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Will you engage them on their talk page or on the article’s? You can see that others have given warnings on their talk page. How do you otherwise get them into a conversation? – UtherSRG (talk) 21:54, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

p-blocks from main are your friend. And I feel less bad about setting them for a longer time, since affected editors can still use edit requests if they get caught in one after the IP has cycled. — asilvering (talk) 22:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I feel that, but I won’t do it since I’m not doing any blocks these days, eh? Given the current state of the IP, will you put the p-block in? – UtherSRG (talk) 23:31, 13 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If they come back again soon, let me know and I can handle it. But really, someone who only needs to be reverted once every few months is doing pretty well, all things considered. — asilvering (talk) 00:09, 14 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, thank you for being my mentor! I was wondering how and when I am allowed to create a new page for an Artist who does not yet have a wikipedia entry. Is there information on required formatting or good tips for my first new page? Thank you ! —Lchaim613 (talk) 14:03, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Lchaim613: I’ve given you the standard mentee welcome on your talk page. After you’ve started on the tutorial, you can check out My First Article which guides you through the article drafting process. Please note that writing an article from scratch is the hardest thing to do here. You will also want to be familiar WP:NARTIST, our notability support policy that augments our general notability policy; articles are only accepted from draft to main article space if they pass our notability policies. – UtherSRG (talk) 15:03, 19 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think I have addressed the issues mentioned by the copyedit tag you placed, but I’m not sure. Could you help check what else needs to be done in that article? Just a generic username (talk) 03:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Staraction (talk | contribs) 09:13, 20 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The petition at Wikipedia:Administrator recall/UtherSRG has reached 25 extended confirmed signatories within 30 days. To retain your administrative tools, you must initiate an RRfA or take part in an administrator election within the next 30 days. If you do not, bureaucrats will have the discretion to remove your administrator privileges. An RRfA has a threshold of 60% for an automatic reconfirmation and 50% for a bureaucrat discussion whereas a reconfirmation administrator election has a 55% threshold for automatic reconfirmation. For further information, please consult Wikipedia:Administrator recall. Barkeep49 (talk) 14:15, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I do intend to stand for AELECT, as it seems I wasn’t clear with those intentions. – UtherSRG (talk) 14:26, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please be sure to enter the candidacy when it opens, here: Wikipedia:Administrator elections/December 2025/Candidates. — xaosflux ^Talk 15:00, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link. I’ll decrease my talk archive timing so that this sticks around. – UtherSRG (talk) 17:47, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:AELECT3 Call for Candidates opens November 25th. Genuinely interested to see how this goes as it’s a first. fanfanboy (block_talk) 15:08, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49: I hate to be that guy, but since this is basically a first, it’s important to figure out the precedent here. The Call for Candidates for the upcoming admin elections begins just after the 30 day period (34 days, to be exact). The rules say that an admin can only choose AELECT over RFA if it begins within 30 days. Since this technically would put AELECT just out of reach, I would like to know: if UtherSRG stands in the upcoming election, would he have to meet the recall percentage for reconfirmation, or the normal pass percentage as if he were a new candidate? Thanks, QuicoleJR (talk) 16:20, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tamzin corrected the wording of the 30 days rule. fanfanboy (block_talk) 16:30, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. That answers my question. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:34, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote at BN more on my thoughts on this case. In my mind elections need to be relatively timely to the recall to be an option. So if on Dec 2 (after candidate call is over) a petition succeeds, I don’t think it would be appropriate to wait 5 months for the next election. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:16, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sad to see this happen. I wish you best with this. Guettarda (talk) 15:04, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, super quick question – I trust that Recon Rabbit is ultimately in the right as far as the taxonomy goes, but the USFWS (as an Alaskan, I trust the FWS over my own flesh and blood) still has these listed as a member of Brachylagus [1], as does stuff like GBIF[2], so the IP’s edits aren’t vandal like in the slightest & I’m happy to describe this as a ROTM content dispute. Similarly, WP:MAMMALS currently says that we typically only override the MWS automatically when the MDD and IUCN agree – and the IUCN uses the old name[3] (though of course that practice could have been changed, not documented, and I love overriding even Wikiproject guidelines via the consensus of modern, quality, secondary sources!).

With that in mind, I’m curious as to why you thought protecting the page is OK under WP:INVOLVED , given that you have reverted the IP editor several times [4][5][6] – and cited those reverts as the basis for your protection?[7] GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 17:23, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I protected as 1) this is an IP hopper who has 2) ignored all edit summaries and 3) has had plenty of info provided such as at User_talk:2605:59C0:20C0:3E08:3D50:E0ED:6688:5BD0 and 4) no user has stepped forward to support the IP’s edits and 5) other edits by this IP hopper have been reverted by more than just Recon Rabbit. The IP hopper’s non-taxonomy edits seem sound, so I didn’t think having another admin needed to step in to do something like a p-block. My hope with the protection is to get the IP to the talk page in some manner, whether that’s because they go there directly, or by going to a help desk or some form, or by requesting removal of protection. I find it very difficult to consider what people think about my admin actions vice providing stability to an article. – UtherSRG (talk) 20:33, 21 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I understand that – but you say you want to drive somebody to the talkpage. Why cannot you not do that yourself? And then, if they don’t respond, go to WP:RFPP or WP:AN3 to ask for either page protection or a partial block? GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 20:59, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If an IP hopper isn’t going to pay attention to the warnings on their talk page (because they hop and won’t see notifications), nor to the edit summaries, I have no expectation that they will go look at the talk page without something forcing them to do something other than continue editing the article. – UtherSRG (talk) 23:30, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Uther. It brings me no pleasure to do this, but please see WP:AN § Proposed temporary adminning restriction on UtherSRG. — Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 17:58, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the update. – UtherSRG (talk) 19:02, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But you’ve just been recalled for making WP:INVOLVED actions. What are you doing?! — asilvering (talk) 00:08, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is some next level Be bold stuff right here. fanfanboy (block_talk) 16:47, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was considering requesting page protection for pygmy rabbit around the time of the third Brachylagus reversion. The genus change was recommended in 2022, and IUCN doesn’t update taxonomy (as far as I have seen) without creating an entirely new evaluation. GBIF provides a species treatment that comes directly from Handbook of the Mammals of the World vol.6, which was published in 2016. I believe FWS gets their taxonomic information from ITIS, which doesn’t refer to anything newer than 2018. NatureServe published a 2024 evaluation that used Sylvilagus. I understand that these good-faith changes probably would not warrant semi-protection (maybe for a week?), but 3 days ago it felt like something was due if IP editors were not using talk pages. Stated simply: the pygmy rabbit is undergoing some taxonomic confusion, and because it is a more visible species, there is back-and-forth. I tend to favor more recent sources but will not touch the “List of” articles that reflect a solid point in time (where IUCN and MDD definitively agree). Cape hare is in a similar taxonomically annoying place for completely different reasons. — Reconrabbit 18:58, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Reconrabbit Full sympathies on the fact that the sources haven’t come to a solid consensus yet on the matter! That definately doesn’t make article writing any fun. Quick question, though – you’d have put a summary of the dispute and your reasoning for updating the taxonomy on the talkpage before asking for page protection, right? GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 19:23, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would create a new section on the talk page to try and address the IP editors’ concerns, similar to what Uther did at Talk:European mole, right? Though I thought for sure I did that, it was actually an unrelated concern. — Reconrabbit 19:32, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, UtherSRG created no talkpage discussions on that article, so no, I would not advise acting as he did.

Though thank you for the link to that article – I note that UtherSRG got into a content dispute with a different IP who was trying to add sources to an article[8][9] on an article on which he is a top editor [10] and reverting them several times,[11] because they copy-pasted the wrong URL into their citation.[12] (It’s painfully obvious that this citation[13] points to this article by Mammal Research[14] and this citation[15] points to this article by Mammalia [16])

The IP editor eventually figured this out by themselves, but then made the mistake of assuming that fixing the CN tags in an article meant that they were allowed to remove the main citation needed tag[17] – so UtherSRG rolled back their edit and blocked them for an entire year.[18][19]

Uther SRG, I did not start the recall petition against you. I did not sign it. I have tried to give you every chance to course correct, even so far as advocating for you to be given extra time – but enough is enough, and no-warning blocking somebody for a year because they removed a citation needed tag after they fixed the identified citation-needed tag sentences is beyond the pale.

Please undo your block and resign.

GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 19:54, 24 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I see primates in the wild every day except for the occasional solo wilderness trip. And I’ve also seen them walking around outside the cages every time I visit the zoo!

Sorry, I saw your user page and I am clearly too pedantic to resist. (t · c) buidhe 00:33, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

lulz – UtherSRG (talk) 13:53, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Wikieditorial12‘s mentor Như Gây Mê is away.

Is there any way a different photo could be uploaded to the wikipedia page “Wyatt Omsberg”? I will link it here – it is an extremely unflattering photo and would be greatly appreciative if it is replaced and removed entirely. —Wikieditorial12 (talk) 12:56, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wyatt Omsberg Wikieditorial12 (talk) 12:59, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the image, as have several other editors. Please stop removing it. Do you have a personal connection to the subject? – UtherSRG (talk) 13:56, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I do – the subject would like the photo to be removed or replaced with a number of other photos on the internet. Wikieditorial12 (talk) 12:07, 27 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why can’t peoples communicate well in pubic websites? —Discountatime (talk) 11:34, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That’s an age old question. – UtherSRG (talk) 14:33, 25 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]