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::The more sources there are discussing the accident, the stronger the case for keeping the article. [[KTVQ]] is a local source, so is probably reliable. [[Montana Free Press]] as an investigative journalism source, I wouldn’t question it personally. The MFP source is far stronger than the source from KTVQ, which seems to be lacking in substance. Regardless, both should be added. [[User:11WB|<span style=”color:#8C6A31; text-decoration:underline;”>11WB</span>]] ([[User talk:11WB|talk]]) 01:57, 29 October 2025 (UTC) |
::The more sources there are discussing the accident, the stronger the case for keeping the article. [[KTVQ]] is a local source, so is probably reliable. [[Montana Free Press]] as an investigative journalism source, I wouldn’t question it personally. The MFP source is far stronger than the source from KTVQ, which seems to be lacking in substance. Regardless, both should be added. [[User:11WB|<span style=”color:#8C6A31; text-decoration:underline;”>11WB</span>]] ([[User talk:11WB|talk]]) 01:57, 29 October 2025 (UTC) |
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* ”’Merge”’ per nom. This is a run-of-the-mill light helicopter crash: [[WP:EVENTCRIT]] #4 applies. There is nothing noteworthy about it other than the deaths of the non-notable family of a notable person. There is no likelihood of [[WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE]] beyond the initial news cycle, no likelihood of [[WP:LASTING]] effects. [[WP:USUAL]] applies: the article can always be recreated in the unlikely event that sufficient sustained coverage does occur or if lasting effects emerge later. [[User:Rosbif73|Rosbif73]] ([[User talk:Rosbif73|talk]]) 08:24, 29 October 2025 (UTC) |
* ”’Merge”’ per nom. This is a run-of-the-mill light helicopter crash: [[WP:EVENTCRIT]] #4 applies. There is nothing noteworthy about it other than the deaths of the non-notable family of a notable person. There is no likelihood of [[WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE]] beyond the initial news cycle, no likelihood of [[WP:LASTING]] effects. [[WP:USUAL]] applies: the article can always be recreated in the unlikely event that sufficient sustained coverage does occur or if lasting effects emerge later. [[User:Rosbif73|Rosbif73]] ([[User talk:Rosbif73|talk]]) 08:24, 29 October 2025 (UTC) |
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*”’Merge”’ to [[Darren Bailey#Personal life]] per [[WP:ATD]].[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 23:01, 3 November 2025 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 23:01, 3 November 2025
- 2025 Ekalaka helicopter crash (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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This accident seems to only have coverage due to the people who were on the helicopter. I am convinced at this time that the article will be a WP:PERMASTUB. The available sources discuss the family more than the accident itself. I think a merge to Darren Bailey#Personal life would suffice for this accident. 11WB (talk) 21:52, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Technology, Aviation, Transportation, United States of America, and Montana. 11WB (talk) 21:52, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. In addition to what was outlined, I also have WP:LASTING and WP:DEPTH concerns in regards to the accident’s long term relevance, and how the sources in the article more-so discuss the family involved than the actual crash. A few days ago I believed this article was a pretty standard new page review, but as pointed out by @11wallisb and Hekatlys: the article turned out to be filled with hallucinated sources, an issue I hadn’t encountered before. After these sources were weeded out by @Ritchie333: (thank you!) only two truly legitimate sources remained. As already mentioned, these two sources don’t necessarily demonstrate the topics long term relevance and will likely remain a WP:PERMASTUB which could just as easily be merged in to a larger article. For these reasons I believe merging is the best option. Cheers! Johnson524 23:02, 27 October 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:48, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, if the governor himself died I’d keep but this is just his family. I don’t see any lasting effects of this or any other major mentions of this since. (edit conflict) Chorchapu (talk | edits) 00:51, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Here some sources talking about how Montana has a lot of small plane crashes and this is another one of them and here is another talking about the helicopter being involved in a previous bird strike accident.
Zaptain United (talk) 23:15, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- There are sources talking about the crash besides the family dying in it Zaptain United (talk) 23:17, 28 October 2025 (UTC)
- The more sources there are discussing the accident, the stronger the case for keeping the article. KTVQ is a local source, so is probably reliable. Montana Free Press as an investigative journalism source, I wouldn’t question it personally. The MFP source is far stronger than the source from KTVQ, which seems to be lacking in substance. Regardless, both should be added. 11WB (talk) 01:57, 29 October 2025 (UTC)
